Baffling Thoughts

Baffling Thoughts

An author never knows where an idea for a buzz will originate from. This morning the brainy Deb Helfrich commented on an old buzz of fine on Joy Dancing for Me. Her comment moved me. Here is part of what Deb wrote "Joy and dancing are very synonymous states, at least in my life. I think it is like the bodymind continuum, you can access movement and joy just about anywhere along the continuum, and once you do, well, it is contagious like bubbles and giggling kids". I responded by saying "What a fresh idea this is @Deb Helfrich! Now, analogously to spacetime and bodymind we have the continuum of "joydancing". I am giving this idea the thinking it deserves and shall respond mostly in a dedicated buzz.

Soon afterwards and randomly I noticed a buzz by Jim Cody, which immediately attracted my attention. Jim shared the following image:

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I started to question if I may present the above in a triangle as below

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Or, as a continuum

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Happiest (or, most joyful to use the words of Deb) means we are moving always with joy. Should I then put happiness in the middle of the continuum like this?

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More thoughts are still coming. What about considering the three components of strongest, happiest and bravest as three pendulums? Here we have the moving together chaotically. This way the three components work as a chaotic pendulum.


Is the chaotic triple pendulum dancing joyfully for me? Can I ever predict its direction? Changing the arrangement of key factors results I great changes in our thinking. In a message that I wrote recently to Sara Jacobovici I said in part "In complex systems, a small change in initial state might send us into different paths (journeys). Do you consider each path as a form of a process that ends up in a strange attractor? If so, we have an infinite number of paths "processes". How feasible it would be to try to understand each process individually?

My mind is rotating chaotically. I hope you can help me put it in order with your feedback.


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Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Deb \ud83d\udc1d Helfrich. I also enjoyed so much your response and your writing "The first to initiate a less hostile mindstate".Yes, this is very true as mindset will decide what type of movement we make. This is a topic on ts own. I also want to draw your attention to the beautiful comment if Jerry Fletcher#46 .

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

4 years ago #35

#43
Thus the irony which is alluded to, that a life with apology may lead to happiness but if life had not invented the idea of apology it could have led to our sadness and even more likely to end our joy.

Jerry Fletcher

Jerry Fletcher

4 years ago #34

Dearest Joy Dancer, each time you open your thoughts to the world lightning strikes. Look at how you inspired people to think about three basic concepts, how they are linked (or not) and what might be another way to see their interdependence.The dance of your words is inspiring and strikes up a chorus of others moving to their own rhythms. That is the joy you bring to me.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Cyndi wilkins would read your comment which is a great reflection on what Deb really is. I fully agree with your comment and your appreciation of Deb.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#40
Thank you dear Harvey Lloyd for your great suggestion. I shall consider it seriously and shall report about the Venn diagram as soon as I have the outcome. Regarding your point "peace and joy are a choice, regardless of extrinsic conditions- I agree and I find people who miss joy and peace in their hearts export or exhale what makes others less joyful unless they have joy truly implanted in their hearts.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#39
Wouldn't life be boring CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit if we have nothing to apologize for? If human are born from clay would they ever reach the skies and make no room for apology? I am just rubbing my head.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#38
Thank you dear Tricia Mitchell and soon I shall write a buzz based on the interactions between us.

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

4 years ago #29

#28
Now how the heck do we market you as a 'Joydancer' Deb \ud83d\udc1d Helfrich...I am absolutely perplexed that someone out there in the world of ideas has not gathered you up in their arms and taken you soaring to the stars...They just don't know what they are missing out on;-)

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

4 years ago #28

Thanks for the tag. My schedule is pretty tight these days. So i am missing a lot. I have one suggestion and one point. I would propose that the visual of the the three dynamics (Including forgiveness.) be placed in a vin diagram with peace and joy in the center where all three circles overlap. ...on a deeper note.... Peace and joy are an aspect of life that you see either as something you work for or; something you already have. Humans tend to put things in front of them that either give or take away peace and joy. I contend that the condition is always present. We need to look at our intrinsic perspective and know that peace and joy are a choice, regardless of extrinsic conditions. Great read and thoughts.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

4 years ago #27

All of this results from an initial condition which stemmed from a negative (hence an apology was issued), what if the initial condition required no apology - what would be the outcome for having nothing to apologize for in life?

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#36
Thank you for the link and great initial feedback Tricia Mitchell. I am proceeding to read your buzz. BTW- I enjoyed reading this "Your slides have me playing with colonic irrigation for the mind - cephalic irrigation...".

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#33
The Siemens slideshow is fantastic. It is amazing how shapes influence our lives. Whatever "shape" you take dear Tricia Mitchell it shall be inspirational for great thoughts.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#32
Tantalizing imagination yours is #Tricia Mitchell. Even before reading Part 2 of your comment you stretched me back to two presentations that I wrote. The first one is Clean Your Mind Cache. The presentation shall extend your imagination and I believe will be of interest to you https://www.slideshare.net/hudali15/clean-your-mind-cache The second one is a presentation that I started and then many bees added slides to it. It is a co-authored one. The title is Thinking Shapes and Colors https://www.slideshare.net/hudali15/thinking-shapes-and-colors SO, your imagination of different shapes are a sign of great maturity. If your time would allow you to glance through this presentation I believe more thoughts shall flow into your vivid mind.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#29
I leave it to the readers to share the beauty, gratefulness, great manners and all the ingredients that make you such a lovely soul my dear namita sinha. You do more than I do and you spread your kindness and humility everywhere.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#28
I am so pleased to read your comment dear Deb \ud83d\udc1d Helfrich. My heart is dancing to the music of your appreciation. You are a prime catalyst in making this buzz and I am full with gratitude to you. I look forward for your following comments after you have read the magnificent comments this buzz enjoyed so far.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

As per your request I tag you Harvey Lloyd to these discussions. I find your contribution shall be very important

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#24
My dear friend Alan Culler- you leave me speechless with your profound comment. I am full to the brim with gratitude to you. Your comment adds a new meaning to me and a new idea springs in my mind. In particular your writing "Like many continua - it would seem to connect at the apparently opposite ends - a circle, Or like your perpetual motion machine video connected off center at 3 points". This could be my next buzz. I imagine the three elements of forgiving, forgetting and braving are the three cups of the chaotic barrel. The barrel may rotate chaotically or predictably. We know to some extent the conditions that make the barrel rotate with much less chaos. Could we extend the same to our human system? WOW!!!! You too "set my mind a-whirling".

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#21
Dear namita sinha #20 in which she wrote "Divine feminine energies have returned to earth to assist us at this time...". I see you one of those feminine that are playing this role. Always great to read your comments

Alan Culler

Alan Culler

4 years ago #18

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Once again, Dr. Ali, you set my mind a-whirling Joy and dancing like the Sufi dervish can set us free, enlighten even. Forgiveness from the humility of apology and the freedom of forgetting old wounds Takes courage, builds strength, confidence, and character. All underpinned by humility, gratitude, and love. Like many continua - it would seem to connect at the apparently opposite ends - a circle, Or like your perpetual motion machine video connected off center at 3 points To demonstrate that creation - forward motion - comes from chaos, whether we want it to or even understand it. For all this and more, I humbly express my gratitude. Thank you Alan

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#20
You are birthing new concepts and ideas dear Tricia Mitchell. I feel you are putting your fingers on some "crazy ideas". I see this in your line "I see the diamond as a metaphor: "If we pull together, we can create something beautiful, out of the mess around us. All is not lost." I am impatiently waiting for you to deliver the final imagination.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#19
I am setting quality time to read the comments on this buzz again dear Tricia Mitchell. Your imagination is vivid and fertile. I started to imagine your response, but I don't wish to interfere now. I want you to complete your imagination.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#17
I love your comments Joyce \ud83d\udc1d Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee because you give buzzes a practical sense. If we can't forgive oneself it shall be hard to forgive others. But you explain "not because of some sort of deficit of mine, but because the stories I carry of so many others do not give me permission to do so". The greater the burden is, the more difficult it is to forgive. But equally true is the need to off-load. Why do we need to carry heavyweights from the past. May be we need to live the moment. It can be very hard, but it is needed.

Joyce ๐Ÿ Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee

You cause my mind to wander through so many places with your buzzes. I can appreciate Jim \ud83d\udc1d Cody's image. I find it hard to forgive, not because of some sort of deficit of mine, but because the stories I carry of so many others do not give me permission to do so. Perhaps the minefield is peppered by my inability to forgive myself.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#10
Joel Anderson- what a thoughtful and stirring comment that you wrote! I welcome greatly your inverted pyramid. I believe very strongly in reversing things. You may find time to scan through my presentation Reverse Businesses https://www.slideshare.net/hudali15/reverse-businesses I don't claim the diagram is mine. I simply used as it is. However; I feel so strongly with your suggestions. I am letting my brain to have a little brewing time before I respond in more detail in few hours. I can't thank you enough for illuminating my mind.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#6
Great idea . You are suggesting a Venn Diagram in which the sweet spot will fall in the intersection of the three spheres. An idea that I surely will ponder on.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#5
Thank you . I can safely say that you made me sense the "passion for compassion". I am very grateful, indeed.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#4
Dear Sara Jacobovici keeps troubling joyfully our minds with her buzzes and thorough comments. I do hope to read her comment as well soonest because she might also inspire you more in finishing your buzz.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#3
Dear Tricia Mitchell- you keep blowing my mind with your wisdom. As for replacing "strongest and bravest with courage or courage'ing (as an ongoing process), as courage is the highest expression of the gut brain" you have a great point here. You may develop your own triad and it shall be a novel one. I used the image as a starting point for this buzz and now you expand its horizons widely and wisely. You even extended your modification/upgrading further "The heart has fewer neurons but is the leverage point for change (for without the desire, there is no joy, we simply go through the motions"). Your comment is so profound that I need to read several times. Meanwhile, I do hope you write your own "story" on the upgradings you are suggesting. They shall be of great interest to many readers. Please provide the link to the video you mentioned in your comment.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#2
Great question dear debasish majumder in the buzz helps in answering your question "Joy and dancing are very synonymous states, at least in my life". May be these states exist together in different proportions.

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

4 years ago #7

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee "My mind is rotating chaotically." Might there still be an order and answer in that statement? The picture is a linear progression of words, that for most, will read it linearly and choose or pick out importance based on what one sees or what one perceives as they read. A triangle is useful in depicting things but is generally shown as depicted, with the wide base at the bottom and an apex at the top. I have an upside down pyramid philosophy of leadership and life. What if you inverted it, so that it was upside down and what was important now was placed at its apex. The strength and stability of the pyramid would rest on what is truly important. For without "it ," whatever "it" is, the critical piece in the equation is missing. In your depiction and discussion you identify three important pieces from the picture: bravest, strongest, happiest. These may be the key factors, but to be honest I think there is something important missing from the pyramid and the linear depictions. The "first." For it is the first that is changing or influencing the initial state. From there, with an understanding of who or what is the "first" then one could use a triangle, a linear diagram, a ven diagram, a circle etc...to create some sense of order, in the progression or regression of it all? After all, it is the "first" who is apologizing, forgiving and forgetting. Then we go back to your statement, and read it backwards. In order to influence the chaos in a rotating mind (yours), then either it is you, we, me that will help change the key factors and initial state to bring you and us to a new now and new order. And then the combination of "firsts" among us continue the cycle and keep moving forward. Just a thought.

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

4 years ago #6

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee "My mind is rotating chaotically." Might there still be an order and answer in that statement? The picture is a linear progression of words, that for most, will read it linearly and choose or pick out importance based on what one sees or what one perceives as they read. A triangle is useful in depicting things but is generally shown as depicted, with the wide base at the bottom and an apex at the top. I have an upside down pyramid philosophy of leadership and life. What if you inverted it, so that it was upside down and what was important now was placed at its apex. The strength and stability of the pyramid would rest on what is truly important. For without "it ," whatever "it" is, the critical piece in the equation is missing. In your depiction and discussion you identify three important pieces from the picture: bravest, strongest, happiest. These may be the key factors, but to be honest I think there is something important missing from the pyramid and the linear depictions. The "first." For it is the first that is changing or influencing the initial state. From there, with an understanding of who or what is the "first" then one could use a triangle, a linear diagram, a ven diagram, a circle etc...to create some sense of order, in the progression or regression of it all? After all, it is the "first who is apologizing, forgiving and forgetting. Then we go back to your statement, and read it backwards. In order to influence the chaos in a rotating mind (yours), then either it is you, we, me that will help change the key factors and initial state to bring you and us to a new now and new order. And then the combination of "firsts" among us continue the cycle and keep moving forward. Just a thought.

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

4 years ago #5

@Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee "My mind is rotating chaotically." Might there still be an order and answer in that statement? The picture is a linear progression of words, that for most, will read it linearly and choose or pick out importance based on what one sees or what one perceives as they read. A triangle is useful in depicting things but is generally shown as depicted, with the wide base at the bottom and an apex at the top. I have an upside down pyramid philosophy of leadership and life. What if you inverted it, so that it was upside down and what was important now was placed at its apex. The strength and stability of the pyramid would rest on what is truly important. For without "it ," whatever "it" is, the critical piece in the equation is missing. In your depiction and discussion you identify three important pieces from the picture: bravest, strongest, happiest. These may be the key factors, but to be honest I think there is something important missing from the pyramid and the linear depictions. The "first." For it is the first that is changing or influencing the initial state. From there, with an understanding of who or what is the "first" then one could use a triangle, a linear diagram, a ven diagram, a circle etc...to create some sense of order, in the progression or regression of it all? After all, it is the "first who is apologizing, forgiving and forgetting. Then we go back to your statement, and read it backwards. In order to influence the chaos in a rotating mind (yours), then either it is you, we, me that will help change the key factors and initial state to bring you and us to a new now and new order. And then the combination of "firsts" among us continue the cycle and keep moving forward. Just a thought.

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

4 years ago #4

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee "My mind is rotating chaotically." Might there still be an order and answer in that statement? The picture is a linear progression of words, that for most, will read it linearly and choose or pick out importance based on what one sees or what one perceives as they read. A triangle is useful in depicting things but is generally shown as depicted, with the wide base at the bottom and an apex at the top. I have an upside down pyramid philosophy of leadership and life. What if you inverted it, so that it was upside down and what was important now was placed at its apex. The strength and stability of the pyramid would rest on what is truly important, for without "it ," whatever "it" is, the critical piece in the equation is missing. In your depiction and discussion you identify three important pieces from the picture: bravest, strongest, happiest. These may be the key factors, but to be honest I think there is something important missing from the pyramid and the linear depictions. The "first." For it is the first that is changing or influencing the initial state. From there, with an understanding of who or what is the "first" then one could use a triangle, a linear diagram, a ven diagram, a circle etc...to create some sense of order, in the progression or regression of it all? After all, it is the "first who is apologizing, forgiving and forgetting. Then we go back to your statement, and read it backwards. in order to influence the chaos in ar rotating mind (yours), then either it is you, we, me that will help change the key factors and initial state to bring you and us to a new now and new order. And then the combination of "firsts" among us continue the cycle and keep moving forward. Just a thought.

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

4 years ago #3

Aha...Happier is the person who knows how to be humble, and strong and brave is the person who readily apologizes and swiftly forgive others! All comes with a passion for compassion.

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #2

Dear Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee and mine. And just as you are open to incorporating the posts of other bees, I have found myself doing the same. What a fertile environment for learning and thinking you are providing Dr. Ali. Thank you.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Deb \ud83d\udc1d Helfrich- you are mentioned in this buzz in this order

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