Conscious and Subconscious Questions

Conscious and Subconscious Questions

I say the more we know, the more we should ask questions to discover how little we know. Surprisingly, what we know for sure becomes our handicap. We all know for example, that water is an essential ingredient for our health and vitality. We know we need to drink copious amounts of water. We know that not drinking enough water may lead to terrible consequences. I am guilty of the same. I had blood pressure reaching 200/140. I have been on medicines for long times to regulate my blood pressure. Recently, I had another problem with my prostate being inflated to 2.5 of its original size. My MD told me that my problem originates from me not drinking enough water. Here is the surprising thing- because my MD warned me strongly of the possible ill consequences of not drinking plentiful amount of water daily I listened. The unexpected result was that my blood pressure fell to 110/70 and stabilized.

I am sharing my story because Deb Helfrich asked me to share it. I am listening again. However; this experience led me to ask myself why we fail to do basic things in life even though we are conscious about them. I am a chemist who knows the value of water for the human body and still I failed to conform. Knowledge is there. So, why not doing? This is a topic that I shall cover in another buzz.

I feel there is a missing issue- the missing subconscious questions that I failed to ask? If we ask simple and conscious questions we shall not possibly act. Let me explain. Trees do many things that we don't understand. Why two similar trees of the same species growing next to each other develop different shapes such as one being symmetrical and the other not? Or, why one tree grows high and the other doesn't. These are simple questions, but their answers aren't you completely satisfying. The trees apply on us the concept of negative certainty. We know more to find out that we have more issues that we make less certain of what we know. This way we keep our passionate curiosity to know more. If we know the answers we may then lose passion to know more. Natural phenomena are like that. The more we know, the less we are certain and the more passionate we are to remove the uncertainty only to fall in the rabbit hole of uncertainty. Because our minds remain clouded with these issues we may ask subconscious questions that may give us a hint to the answer.

The issue of my failing to respond to my knowledge by not drinking enough water stems from the fact that I reached a definite answer and therefore the element of negative uncertainty was removed. Are definite answers a form of mental block or even a barrier to ask subconscious questions?

Harvey Lloyd responded to one of my comments on a great buzz on Developing a Tolerance to Negativity by Sara Jacobovici as follows. Emotions are neither good nor bad. But they can be either if, they cause us to fluctuate between interdependent and independent. A team recognizes this fluctuation instantly and it can have a souring effect on success, individually and team. I agree with Harvey. The keyword in his response for me is fluctuation, between on emotion or another. Or, fluctuation between shapes such as a drop of water is rounded or not when it falls on a tree leaf depending on whether the leaf is waxy or not. It is the fluctuation in protein in our bodies between different shapes and the fluctuation of the trunks of trees between growing linearly or spirally.

Conscious and Subconscious Questions

The question remains- when we fail to fluctuate between conscious and subconscious questions do we fail what we need to do what we should do? Is this one reason for my failure to abide by simple facts to keep my health in good shape? Apparently, subconscious questions lead to subconscious answers.

I dedicate this buzz proudly to the great thinker
Harvey Lloyd whose comments propelled me to write this buzz. Dear Harvey- I am full of gratitude to you.


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Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#158
We need both types of people and I appreciate your very expressive comment Lyon Brave

Lyon Brave L

Lyon Brave

4 years ago #106

I used to ask all the big questions, then i got into this existential depression because my molecules didn't some big enough or infinite enough to compete with the universe. Then i stopped caring about entropy, afterlives, why am i hear, what is my purpose collective purpose, and i just started focusing on me. I'm not designed to be a scientist, knowing about black matter just confuses me and makes me feel minuscule., I'm a more philosophical person. I think they're both people of reason. I would rather focusing on my inner being than the outer world, but i'm so glad other people go explore it.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#156
This is amazingly well-said "Traveling is about finding new and losing old".

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#154
I hope you share with us your thoughts when they cross the borderline Joris Plaatstaal. Again, you got me even more interested.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#152
"Know" to soon and freedom is lost. Never know and freedom is an illusion- this got me thinking deeply Joris Plaatstaal. Between freedom and illusion there is a borderline of knowledge. WOW!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#150
I apprecciate your kind words and heartfelt comments to enhance my understanding of many topics. Thank you dear Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

4 years ago #101

Ali Anani in my review of the post i saw the dedication and meant to say thank you. I appreciate your energy and your researching heart of understanding.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#147
Joris Plaatstaal- There is a concept of "DEgrees of Freedom in statistics. I realize I lost one degree from your comment "But in the end we are all free. Even people that trade in their freedom for A truth. They are free to lose their freedom. And so there is a danger of always searching.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#142
I love your "balanced response dear Mohammed Sultan

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

I read by a quote years back stating that "I have to be 300% I am correct before I dare say somebody is wrong". Some comments are sidelining these discussions by making sweeping comments and turning the discussions from win- win to I win-you lose. It is sad it is truly wasting our times. Just stating somebody is flatly wrong without solid proofs and with many not seeing eye-to-eye with him is unacceptable. I hope discussions here shall only focus on the theme of the buzz and not sideline it to show off what we know. If needed and the commenter has such opposing ideas I suggest he writes a separate buzz.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

4 years ago #97

#136
Yes, interactions is light that travels outwards from within and connects us all, rather than putting spotlights on situations when the people who most need to change remain dark within.

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #96

#132
Answers perfectly . I appreciate you taking the time to respond.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#135
Thank you for your very elaborative response dear CityVP Manjit. I share this perspective with you "Now link this with diversity and one does not need to build a bridge for that - for the connection point is within, it is within mind, within spirit and within body". I just wanted to ensure that you didn't mean bridge. With this explanation I am in agreement with you. One definition of culture is that it is an emerging product of how people interact. I believe this is consistent with your response. If the "within" of individuals is healthy their interactions should yield a healthy culture. Culture that accept differences and find them a way to explore varieties of possibilities.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

4 years ago #94

#128
Monica Hawkins wrote a piece last year in Chief Learning Officer Media (CLOMEDIA) called "Diversity: Catalyst for Corporate Culture and Value" http://www.clomedia.com/2015/05/01/diversity-catalyst-for-corporate-culture-and-value/ That is a nice read but there is a problem with it is how can diversity act as a catalyst if culture is considered as something we can manufacture and what is the primary problem here? How can the catalyst for culture be sitting outside ourselves? The problem with the way people see diversity today is in trying to fix something that is natural. Difference is natural and variety is what is helpful to nature. Why not simply begin with the primary catalyst for diversity - the difference within us? In the same CLOMEDIA is an article High Potential Development (HiPo) and it mentions heat as a catalyst - while the article has nothing to do with diversity http://www.clomedia.com/2016/11/23/high-potential-development/ but it does speak to where this catalyst is, which is WITHIN. The article is addressing that 73% of HiPo programs fail. Now link this with diversity and one does not need to build a bridge for that - for the connection point is within, it is within mind, within spirit and within body. Sometimes one has to point things out to people because they don't operate from difference, such as why call a site CLOMEDIA when it sounds like CHLAMYDIA which is sexually transmitted disease? This is why program mentality fails because we think we need to build bridges, when we simply need to build humanity. Diversity is a catalyst when it emanates from WITHIN us. When we are focused on the external argument where is the question within either conscious or subconscious? There is no heat in that question when it is sitting outside of ourselves - no synapses only a bridge, no heartbeat only a wish and no will only a policy.

David B. Grinberg

David B. Grinberg

4 years ago #93

#68
Thanks for your question Sara Jacobovici. I used the word "think" because many people take some knowledge or information as factual when that might not necessarily be the case. One example is everything we read, see and hear in the media. Having worked closely with the news media for many years, I've learned firsthand that most reporting is not 100% accurate, some not even 50%, and some is plain wrong. Yet some news/media consumers tend to assume everything reported must be true simply because the media said it.Then's there's the government. Having worked in PR for the feds, I can tell you that more transparency is needed regarding the dissemination of information without the so-called "spin." Lastly, I just love the Copernicus example. He convinced the people of his time that the Earth was the center of the Universe and everything resolved around us. People took this as fact since he was a famous astronomer and scientists. Yet history and technology both proved him very wrong. To wit: hindsight is a wonderful thing. I hope this answers your question.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#125
Dear sister Irene Hackett- you put your thoughts very elegantly by writing " I'd say the sweet mysteries of life give us the fuel, the energy, the excitement that keeps us dancing between what can be known and what cannot". This is what I mentioned in one my buzzes that mysteries make us curious and curiosity drives us to seek knowledge. The more we know, the more we shall discover that we need to know. It is a positive loop.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#124
Yes, Mohammed Sultan- creating ideas is one thing; applying them is another. We call the latter innovation. So, we need to create ideas as much as we need to find innovative applications for them.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#119
This is a great comment Harvey Lloyd. You know that in some equations of fractals there are some controlling parameter; however when the output of the equation grows exponentially the controller fails. The controller serves to change the input, but it has no control of the output.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#121
CityVP Manjit- "The real underlying catalyst regarding conscious and subconscious questions is diversity"- this a an outstanding quote from your comment. Diversity is a catalyst. I kept pondering on it for a while. I love it, even though the expression is still like a gel in my hand- slipping. I wish you would elaborate more. Is the catalyst equivalent to bridge?

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#119
Harvey Lloyd- I have nothing to add to your brilliant comment except to say I agree. I wish could express myself as clearly as you did.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

4 years ago #87

#122
When we ask questions to discover how little we know we open the door to knowledge which even if processed through a quantum computer is too vast and so at the simplest level indoctrination begins with our name and with all the accidents of birth. The prophet of media called Marshall McLuhan held an interesting way of questioning what is going on now, here is quote from a blog called "Tribalization of the Global Village" I quote : ....... [ McLuhan specifies the specific privileging of one sense in the β€œWest”: β€œThis explosion of the eye, frequently repeated in β€˜backward areas,’ we call Westernization. . . . That is only the East side story, for the electric implosion now brings oral and tribal ear-culture to the literate West. Not only does the visual, specialist, and fragmented Westerner have now to live in daily association with all the ancient oral cultures of the earth [my note: β€œmyth”], but his own electric technology now begins to translate the visual or eye man back into the tribal and oral pattern with its seamless web of kinship and interdependence.] ....... From http://viz.dwrl.utexas.edu/old/content/tribalization-global-village-marshall-mcluhan-orientalism-and-technocultural-panic So I personal wanderings and meanderings can get very complex very fast, at the same time we are taught in universities to follow a logical process of argument and to listen to points of view. Oxford and Cambridge informed a lot about how we deliberate today, as did the British Empire when it codified Indian spirituality to accommodate understanding in the west, and in effect the British codified a religion called Hinduism when the actual belief system was messier, deeper, diverse and chaotic - which is why India is more associated with chaos, as Britain is associated with order. So the question remains- when we fail to fluctuate between conscious and subconscious questions do we fail what we need to do what we should do?

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #86

#115
Well said Harvey Lloyd: "I would think that the formula would need a dynamic existence as opposed to linear."

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

4 years ago #85

The real underlying catalyst regarding conscious and subconscious questions is diversity. I dislike the idea of "role model" because that is conformity rather than diversity in action, but if I see a clone of me, then it is actually instructive because I am simply seeing how it is I look, in the body of another human being. For me Harvey Lloyd is a complete unique human being as much as Max Carter is - so I need to untangle myself from what my personal preferences or even conditioning is and appreciate Harvey and Max for who they are. What diversity means to me is that one can embrace conformity and its opposite which is difference. There is a conformity called being a rebel, which is weird because we have a label that conforms to a stereotype called a "rebel". Whether I am disrupting or balancing, there is learning in both modes of being. If I knew the full extent of my own indoctrination I could free myself to be even more curious about life - to the point where conscious and unconscious actually becomes the question - and then I will be a free-bird of freedom, which is maybe too tough a personal challenge for me.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

4 years ago #84

#118
@Max Carter some of your points are valid but your conclusions are off base and not germane to the discussion of seeking understanding here. You have stated that the "Where this formula fails in the most epic fashion...." only to introduce your own formula of the three questions you discuss #107. Your comment that emotions are "fluid" is correct, however, your conclusion from this statement you imply that math is wrong or my interpretation of this the formula is wrong. The Chakra belief is knowledge and has formulas within it. It includes steps, that may, after experience, become fluid. I believe, as i have stated to you before, that we come from two very different perspectives. You speak inside of absolutes. There are none. A group of folks here are exploring a condition of human existence while you project that you have already read the last chapter and know the path. I share your reading of the last chapter and i too know the end game. But this is my personal belief system and we are not discussing that here. We are discussing the social aspects of living amongst a group of people with competing needs. These competing needs at times are detrimental to members of the group or ourselves. A formula as your three questions would suggest helps us navigate these times. The formula is amoral. You are giving it control through your statements. Again our perspectives are 180 degrees. It is not control that one seeks it's is a formula to navigate the chaos we sometimes find ourselves within. Organized chaos only exists in the past. When we see chaos in front of us it has no pattern of recognition. Once we pass through then we might be able to see some pattern in history. Within this context we may be able to extrapolate a formula to meet the next set of variables called chaos. Maybe not.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#116
ABsolutely, in tense environments and highly controlled one we shouldn't creative ideas to flow. I agree entirely with you Harvey Lloyd. Even we need to create the environment for ourselves to be creative. Visiting nature, and observing it has been my main source of creative ideas.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

4 years ago #82

#112
Creativity does visit but i believe we can create an environment where it wants to visit Ali Anani. You have expressed and others have written that when we are in an imaginative state we can have revealed answers to questions. This state of all things are possible opens us to possibilities of creativity visiting.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

4 years ago #81

#103
Sara Jacobovici need is a motivator, in this context though the need = movement refers to the loop in the formula. I believe in looking at any formula we would have to include infinity and also multiple planes of the same formula. I would think that thformula would need a dynamic existance as opposed to linear.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#113
There shall be no real advances without thinking ability. Technology is a product of our thinking.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#111
Now we are getting closer with our views. I agree. We can't plan for creativity and it "visits" us from nowhere and when least expected sometimes.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#107
Again, I repeat that we shall never know all facts. The more we know about human bodies and trees, the more we shall find that we are going deeper in the ocean of unknowns. We may develop different paths towards discovery, but I still believe there is also a scientific way.

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #77

#95
@Max Carter you write, "Formulas such as this or even trying to create them only limits the view and creates a structure for abuse to say do it or way or you can't be apart of it at all." I consider what I do when I engage in creating a formula to visually and conceptually and/or metaphorically represent an idea or cluster of ideas, as a learning process; my way of learning, a learning tool or style. There is a huge leap between a formula and abuse. Behaviors, both verbal and non-verbal, which "say do it or way or you can't be apart of it at all", imposed upon in a way that removes opportunity for individual expression and action, that is abuse. Please do not "equate" my learning style with abuse.

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #76

#86
You are not wrong Fatima Williams. You are contributing to this discussion by offering your perspective and insight. Makes the discussion much more interesting.

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #75

#82
Great points Harvey Lloyd says, "Fractals forever." From my perspective need is an influencer, it doesn't equal movement. The reason I say this is because, while in nature, needs and actions are a clear process, When it comes to humans, needs do not always lead to the actions that make the most sense as it relates to the need.

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #74

#81
Agreed Harvey Lloyd. Where there is life, there is movement and everything we do (read move) serves a purpose.

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #73

#78
To that we can add, Ali Anani, what Socrates said, "All I know is that I know nothing." So this is the "ignorance" of the knowing; an alignment in the paradox.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#96
Yes, Mohammed Sultan- sometimes we know what we don't know, but this could be the fuel to learning more. I recall when I started understanding fractals I was filled with desire to know more about fractals. I agree with you, but surely will add that knowing what we don't know could be very inspiring. If I find my way foggy I might not know what to do; still this fills me with the desire to know how to do it. It is the uncertainty for inquiring minds that acts as high-octane fuel.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#95
I have some reservations Max Carter with your comment and I beg to disagree this time. The fundamental fractal equation by Mandelbrot started with a simple, feedback formula. This simple formula disrupted our thinking and opened a myriad of possibilities for us. What we are doing is trying a simple formula or set of rules to understand complexity. Even though we might be wrong, just reviewing the progress we had in developing the formula has opened our eyes to many new possibilities. We are on a discovery journey and we are sensing our way ahead.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#93
Harvey Lloyd- love this "Once we move our perspective changes and creates a new need and the cycle repeats". This is a feedback loop which may result is forming a fractal. Great perspective

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

4 years ago #69

#90
Once we move our perspective changes and creates a new need and the cycle repeats. The addition to the formula addresses this change in perspective, Movent=New Need if you will. It allows for the ever changing aspects of the cycle we create by our very existance.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#84
I agree as based on my personal experience I favored dedication to work than taking care of my health. But, if I care for my health because it affects my work why then not abide? You make me scratch my head Fatima Williams

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#83
This is precisely what I saw relevance between your buzz and this one Fatima Williams. I highlighted the wait step in my comment on your buzz

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#82
Harvey Lloyd- before I may respond, I need a clarification Your challenging formula is ((Need+Knowledge+Skill+Action=Movement)= (Movement=Need)) Nees is on both sides of the equation. I need to understand more the rational.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#81
@I agree with you Harvey Lloyd. Without purpose the movement would be very chaotic

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

4 years ago #64

#21
Max Carter I am very interested in learning about the Chakras my sister talks alot about them May be you should write a buzz on that for curious people like me. Thank you.

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

4 years ago #63

#62
Dear Sara Jacobovici You said " My concluding line would have to be: "Know where your thoughts are coming from and be aware of what thought β€œpushed” you to do or not to do ! " I agree with this 100% as this would help us analyse the thought that pushes us into a particular action and hence help us avoid the "not to do" part. To know Be-Aware feel and act. My takeaway would be this gem of a line " Know where your thoughts are coming from and analyse them before we get into the action of the thought". Knowing plus Analysing which is a part of feeling the action about to take place will result in the doing. So the analysing will nullify the Wait phase according to me. Please correct me if I'm wrong my lovely beBees. And Thank you all for such profound intruguing comments and Thank you to Ali Anani for giving us this opportunity.

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

4 years ago #62

#33
Dear @Ali Anani You also say that "Every conscious question there is a subconscious one" But can I ask you one thing Weren't all sub conscious questions conscious before they went into the sub-conscious state. I think this is a very important fact to deal with . When we choose to ignore the question, it goes into the sub-conscious state I believe and this happens when we just sit and wait and ignore the simple questions asked. For example in your case It was Drink water? but you did not and that lead to issues which the sub-conscious question later confronted you telling you " I told you so ☺"

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

4 years ago #61

#22
Dear Ali Anani Thank you for this lovely intriguing buzz as it has so many people questioning themselves like you did " Why we fail to do basic things when they are easy to implement, but very costly when we don't." If I may humbly tell you we don't forget to drink water/ do things we simply choose to ignore our body's need in preference to our work and other life styles that refrain us from working with our body and rather make us work against them knowingly.

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

4 years ago #60

Deb Helfrich Love your insight on us not accepting the reality . You say "We neglect the messages of our bodies because blending in is more salient to our conscious thoughts - next thing we know we have neglected our body's messages all the way to a state of dis-ease." This is what I call as the acceptance of us staying in "The Wait" phase and not taking the action required. We need to get moving here and battle self-neglect.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

4 years ago #59

#69
If i might chime in here. I have read the formula and it appears to work on the surface but struggles in the area of supporting the emotional aspects of individuals. I would suggest that: ((Need+Knowledge+Skill+Action=Movement)= (Movement=Need)) This would add the important aspect of the individual's needs. The aspect that would endeavor to challenge even this formula would be the "need" lacking purpose. I would also state that the paradox is brought on through thriving. The formula, no matter how it turns out, is happening in iterations on parallel lines of need. So i would think that we don't "do" because we can't manage but so many planes of the formula at one time. Leading to habits changing. This also extends out to how we may be involved with others and their execution of their formula. I would state that if we challenged ourselves to live the greatest and most up-to-date health standards, it would be 60% of our existence. Managing it would be the heaviest burden. How many planes of the formula would you assign to health, realizing that realtime relationships would have to give up some of you? In essence your main picture here really describes the process. Fractals:)

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

4 years ago #58

#56
I agree with the concept but would focus on your word "purpose". All things have a purpose. As a writer we have a purpose or as a reader, we have purpose. If we are to build a formula for movement then we must have purpose.

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

4 years ago #57

Thank you dear Ali Anani for bringing me here quicker than I would have honestly I have quite a list of buzzes to read and I have been dealing with some negative energy around me that as been eating my precious beBee time. But I'm fine and I am buzzing out some much of positive energy that I believe this negativity will be buried Sorry for that explanation unrelated to the buzz but honestly my hearts been here though I have not commented on anything so I feel I owe an explanation I will shortly post a buzz on how I dealt with a room full of negativity.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#76
Mohamed Amroussi- you wrote "All our problems lie in our ignorance to practice all what we know". It is a paradox as ignorance and knowing are not aligned.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#75
Thank you Max Carter for providing the links.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#73
Myriam Morales de la Vega- you wrote let us drink water. I say we should. DeberΓ­amos

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #53

#71
And again.....Ali Anani's buzz.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Sara Jacobovici has just published a buzz of such great value and relevance to this buzz. https://www.bebee.com/producer/@fatima-williams/the-wait#c31 It may lead to improving further the Movement Formula. It is worthy of your reading time.

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #51

#69
I love the synchronicity of it all Ali Anani! Thank you so much for alerting me to this great article. Definitely related to our discussion and adds value to forming the equation. Thanks again Dr. Ali.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#67
Dear Sara Jacobovici- on the shared LI of this post led friend of mine to send me a message uring me to read the following link. It is a 2-minutes read, but is so powerful and related to our discussions here. I urge you to read it and it shall open new horizons for you. There is another reason for you to read it. You shall dig it out after reading the link. I am impatiently waiting for your revised formula, even though you might consider another modification when you read the linked buzz below: https://lnkd.in/dgRz7fK

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #49

#37
Hi . I hope you don't mind me asking, but I am curious. In your line, "Or, in other words, we know what we know, we think we know what we don't know, and we don't know what we don't know.", you use the word think only in relation to knowing what we don't know. Any reason why?

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #48

#65
With your positive encouragement Ali Anani, I need to modify the equation. That's why I see your paradox as such an amazingly insightful statement. I believe your paradox is one proof of the equation.

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #47

#65
With your positive encouragement Ali Anani, I need to modify the equation. That's why I see your paradox as such an amazingly insightful statement. I blieve your paradox is one proof of the equation.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#62
Dear Sara Jacobovici- this is the nugget of the day "My concluding line would have to be: Know where your thoughts are coming from and be aware of what thought β€œpushed” you to do or not to do". I honestly believe that as we have day and night, light and darkness, and so we have conscious and unconscious thoughts and that they aren't in isolation of each other. Are you modifying the Movement Equation accordingly? I wish to register my deep appreciation of your great comment.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#61
Dear Sara Jacobovici- the way you assimilate comments is beyond description. Now, you touch a great point. Knowledge doesn't lead to action; thoughts do. So, I am seeing the Movement Formula is changing. This makes a lot of sense. I say always thoughts and emotions lead to action. You uncover a hugely relevant point. I am expecting more gems in Part 2 of your comment. So, let me stop here till I read your next comment.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#60
Sara Jacobovici- I am glad this paradox resonates with you for two reasons. First, you are the queen of paradoxes. Second, this is part of the MoVement Formula we are developing.

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #43

Part 2/2 We often do things without thinking and often don’t stop to think about what we’re doing. This is the influence of the subconscious. Movement is key here as we say β€œto bring” to consciousness or as you ask Ali Anani, β€œThe question remains- when we fail to fluctuate between conscious and subconscious questions do we fail what we need to do what we should do?” My answer here would be, yes. You write, β€œWhen we are pursuing something consciously, we might get the clutter of too much thinking.” The clutter comes from the unconscious thoughts that are trying to move towards consciousness. It’s a matter of clarification. At other times the clutter could also be experienced as β€œnoise” of all the thoughts we don’t want to hear and so drown out. My concluding line would have to be: Know where your thoughts are coming from and be aware of what thought β€œpushed” you to do or not to do.

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #42

Part 1/2 Dear Ali Anani you have presented us with a treasure full of gems. The comments from your readers reflect this fact. I apologize ahead of time for my unedited comment. I hope it makes sense. You write, β€œβ€¦this experience led me to ask myself why we fail to do basic things in life even though we are conscious about them. Knowledge is there. So, why not doing?” And in one of your replies to a comment you wrote, "The question that clouds my mind is why we fail to do basic things when they are easy to implement, but very costly when we don't." And in another comment you referred to the equation of Knowing + Doing = Movement. The doing is related to exerting an effort. Although to know is a verb what we are really doing in this act is being β€œaware through observation, inquiry, or information”, in order to gain knowledge which is β€œfacts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education”. In other words what we know is really a byproduct. Now, let’s look at thinking. A thought is β€œthe action or process of thinking.” When we think, we are β€œdirecting” our mind and our mind is β€œactively” engaged. What seems to have the most potential to lead us to doing is not knowing but thinking. Knowing doesn’t seem to have the β€œpush’ to exert the effort of the doing. It seems that thinking does. Now comes the interesting part; sometimes we’re thinking consciously and sometimes unconsciously. You wrote in one of your replies, β€œβ€¦I don't think about it anymore.” We often do things without thinking and often don’t stop to think about what we’re doing.

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #41

#9
"This is my paradox, I knew, but I didn't do and so my movement was paralyzed." I'm still holding my breath on this one Ali Anani. This one deserves a buzz all on its own!

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #40

#7
Hi Ali Anani and highlighted the same line you did in your reply. I will include your question "The question that clouds my mind is why we fail to do basic things when they are easy to implement, but very costly when we don't.", in my comment to your life changing buzz.

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #39

#5
Great line Harvey Lloyd, "These are the journies we must understand that make us who we are."

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#56
I invite Harvey Lloyd

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#54
Harvey Lloyd- "I have always believed that our subconscious shows us the gaps our conscious mind can't reveal". I agree, may be the recent past is also influential because it is still keeping us "busy" on an issue. I remember too I had a problem to solve in vain. Years later, something I noticed, evoked the problem and I found a solution. The sleeping past was awaken suddenly.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

4 years ago #36

#53
So, I wonder if at all times the subconscious is always a reality of the past. What do you think? I believe the subconscious can only exist in the past as it is only feed what it has "been" feed. In your problem, you required new knowledge or a different perspective. I have always believed that our subconscious shows us the gaps our conscious mind can't reveal. These gaps are what cause us to change our perspective of questions being asked consciously. "I was about to quit till while asleep a possibility crossed my mind that I wasn't wrong, ..." The gap. @David B. Grinberg posted quote the "unknown of the unknown" is what we seek. The gap presents us that question. Our last few minutes of the day are where we can clear our minds, meditate and open our subconscious to learn. This is a time of exploration. During our day i try and use, if i had a million dollars to apply to the problem styled perspective or go to the ridiculous concepts of buy everyone a helicopter. This is to rattle my focused conscious mind to allow for brief moments of subconscious expansive thought. Works sometimes but in many cases, walking away and finding our meditative state is the only way we can explore without the pressures of the conscious mind.

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#50
You have so much to offer Harvey Lloyd- I like the way you put it "The imperfections of life are what calibrate us and our beliefs". This is a powerful idea to which I agree. I wonder if this would distortus or make us more mature. But the concept is worthy of deep considerations. The subconscious is a reality of the past- first let me tag to draw his attention to his mention. I recall while doing my post graduate research in chemistry I had a big issue. I was preparing a known compound, but analysis showed I got a different product. I tried several procedures, but always ended with a different compound. I was about to quit till while asleep a possibility crossed my mind that I wasn't wrong, but the literature was wrong. An idea came to my mind. I tried it next morning and in a week I found that I was right because the compound exhibited novel behavior. That was the end of my troubles and a breakthrough resulted. It was the imperfections that gave me the lead. However; it wasn't in the past and I was living the problem. So, I wonder if at all times the subconscious is always a reality of the past. What do you think?

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

4 years ago #34

#51
Our core, if i am interpreting it correctly, offers us new beginnings. That of yesterday is and can be new today if we choose. Dragging the choices of the past to the "new" serves only to repeat the same mistakes.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

4 years ago #33

#50
That is why presence and flow are such divine actions at the personal level - for we find our center again for what is core.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

4 years ago #32

#7
"The question that clouds my mind is why we fail to do basic things when they are easy to implement, but very costly when we don't." From relationships to health no one exists that doesn't have this question. Mostly this question gets answered during a storm or "burning platform". The imperfections of life are what calibrate us and our beliefs. If i sat down and wrote a list of all the things i should do today i would probably become a list attendant, as i would complete nothing. Water is an important aspect of health, but so is living in the moment we find ourselves, seeking forgiveness and many others. I tend to fail at some of these throughout the course of each day. "We leave the obvious and only awaken to it when we pay high prices? Yes, we learn, but we could have learnt at a much lower cost." The subconscious is a reality of the past. @David B. Grinberg quote is appropriate. The subconscious can only remix the "known". To this end, i would say that the focus should be on where we are going and ask the imagination of that journey. Looking back over the past and wanting to understand the choices of yesterday can consume and paralyze us. I call it the rear view mirror driving technique. Smash the gas and look in the rear view mirror for hints of what to do going forward. We merely bounnce from tree to tree.

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#45
Thank you CityVP Manjit for providing a lovely perspective- while seeing the big picture we shouldn't overlook the fundamentals. Yes, water is increasingly becoming a trade commodity. Buying bottled water isn't cheap and with ads it sounds as the best choice. I understand this when we live in a desert, but not when we if we have plentiful supplies of natural water. Water is a major industry. Yes, drinking excessively huge amounts of water can be risky. Unfortunately, there is no general agreement on the optimal amount of water to drink daily, but two liters seems quite adequate.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

4 years ago #30

#47
Looks like Known knowns and known unknowns has quite a history behind it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_are_known_knowns - the Wikipedia entry also introduces us to Johari Windows.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

4 years ago #29

#37
"There are the known knowns, the known unknowns, and the unknown unknowns." This is a great quote. There is an attribute that i sense we miss though, the quote implies moving forward, or a question that requires an answer. Thanks for sharing this one. @David B. Grinberg

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

4 years ago #28

A person in a desert knows the value of even a tiny drop of water and given the trade of gold for water, water becomes precious when we don't have it. This is a serious concern today which is just as critical as ensuring we individually drink sufficient, as well as water at a temperature that is most beneficial for us - though I have not developed the taste for warm water. Everything in life has a big picture and drill down to fundamentals - so the fundamentals need to be addressed i.e. being water aware in terms of our own health - but the big picture also includes global supply of freshwater and the ever constant possibility that profiteers want to convince people that water should be owned by corporations. The global body can be equally deprived of water as does the result of less-than-optimal choices for our immediate physical body. There is also the strange discovery I made recently that a person can die from drinking too much water, but these are very rare occurences such as a water-drinking contest or those that take designer drugs that cause the addict to develop extreme thirst. Such awareness then follows the pattern of what has said in #37 - here again is another example of big picture thinking, while we must also value ourselves as water based beings and the very physical reality also in that.

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#43
Dear Mohammed Sultan- to start from scratch. We say unlearn. Apparently, this is an unlearning process without attempting it. A worthy idea to ponder on.

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#40
Dear Mohammed Sultan and mine. I just wonder what would you say.

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#40
Dear Mohammed Sultan and my response.

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#37
Thank you @David B. Grinberg on this beautiful contribution. Sometimes, I wonder what is the exact relationship between imagination and our subconscious. Kekule, who figured out he structure of benzen, saw the the structure while asleep. He saw a snake licking her tale of a dog. The important thank this was his inspiration. When we are pursuing something consciously, we might get the clutter of too much thinking. There was no way at the time to prove experimentally the correctness of the formula. Those who don't know and lacked imagination were the the first to attack him. I may give many more examples, but the idea is clear.

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#37
Thank you on this beautiful contribution. Sometimes, I wonder what is the exact relationship between imagination and our subconscious. Kekule, who figured out he structure of benzen, saw the the structure while asleep. He saw a snake licking her tale of a dog. The important thank this was his inspiration. When we are pursuing something consciously, we might get the clutte of too much thinking.

David B. Grinberg

David B. Grinberg

4 years ago #22

I really like this buzz, Ali, as your raise some complex and critically important questions. Former U.S. Defense Secretary once used this quote which I think is applicable: "There are the known knowns, the known unknowns, and the unknown unknowns." Or, in other words, we know what we know, we think we know what we don't know, and we don't know what we don't know. I find the latter point most intriguing, as the human ego sometimes tends to border on omniscience until proven otherwise -- and the subconscious mind works in strange ways. I'm reminded of the great astronomer of his time Copernicus, who assured us that the Earth was the center of the universe and everything revolved around it. That was taken as scientific fact, but in hindsight looks foolish -- similar to those who warned Columbus that he would sail off the edge of the Earth. Just saying.

David B. Grinberg

David B. Grinberg

4 years ago #21

I really like this buzz, Ali, as your raise some complex and critically important questions. Former U.S. Defense Secretary once used this quote which I think is applicable: "There are the known knowns, the known unkowns, and the unkown unknowns." Or, in other words, we know what we know, we know what we don't know, and we don't know what we don't know. I find the latter point most intriguing, as the human ego sometimes tends to border on omniscience until proven otherwise. I'm reminded of the great astronomer of his time Copernicus, who assured us that the Earth was the center of the universe and everything revolved around it. That was taken as scientific fact, but in hindsight looks foolish -- similar to those who warned Columbus that he would sail off the edge of the Earth. Just saying.

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#34
You know how to express your views dear Mohammed Sultan. I wonder whether it is your conscious or subconscious mind that wrote your sound comment. May be both of them.

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#32
Dear Mohammed Sultan-your twin example is a perfect analogy. Like twin trees who may face different challenges as one is more exposed to sunlight or water resources in arid areas they grow differently because of the different challenges and experiences they have. Yes, it is a conscious question, but is there also a subconscious question hiding behind? I would say for every conscious question there is a subconscious one.

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#29
We need to keep our authenticity Max Carter. Like no tree trees are similar, no two humans are similar. It is these differences that help us to build bridges of communication, learning and evolving and you are a great example of a bridge-builder.

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#26
6 I f am full of gratitude to both of you dears John White, MBA. I pay you the Max(imum) gratefulness for having such "White" hearts

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#26
I f am full of gratitude to both of you dears John White, MBA. I pay you the Max(imum) gratefulness for having such "White" hears

John White, MBA

John White, MBA

4 years ago #15

Max Carter is he has such beautiful words. He has humbled me in the past with his kindness too. His warmness makes everyone feel smart, special and appreciated. He is a model human being for sure!

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#21
Max Carter- you wrote "I do what I do so that maybe they can avoid some of the pitfalls and traps that left me stuck longer than I needed to be". You are a noble man.

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#20
Phil Friedman- when people have better sources for water they may still prefer to go for lesser quality water such as spring water because of the convenience of buying it in bottles which they may carry around. I was just trying to explain that RO water may have minerals post to its treatment.

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#19
Deb Helfrich. First, I wish to thank you for urging me to write this buzz and share my experience. I am glad I did because the buzz brought in such a wise comment from you. Yes, the divorce of our conscious and subconscious minds lead to "I think that the division between conscious thoughts and subconscious processes is THE single biggest reason that so many of us experience disconnects and live lives that are causing us harm". Yes, we tend to build build trends such as forgetting to drink water disturbs the hydration signal. I love the way you extended your thoughts to emotions. These aren't different than drinking water and when we stop listening to our emotional signals we become accustomed to that. Obviously, this topic is of great interest to you.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #11

#14
Ali, I understand what happens in Kuwait and other nations in the area who depend on reverse-osmosis for the majority of their drinking water. However, it many other parts of the world -- including Oregon, where Jean Serio appears to live -- RO is used for purification in preference to filtration and sold in bottled form as well in competition with spring or well water. And it is, to my mind, advisable for people who might consider it as their main source of drinking water to familiarize themselves with the issues and with the Wolrd Health Organization report of 2007. I was simply responding to Jean's reference to RO water in the context. Cheers!

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#17
No question you have the experience Max Carter. Your posts reflect on your experience. I loved your saying that you built yourself from scratch.

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#15
@Max Carter- I enjoyed reading this " Based on desires and what we say we want the subconscious will at times do things behind our backs in front of our faces to move us closer to the goal we set and leaves us at the conscious level asking why we just did that?" I find that because the subconscious mind is very interesting topic because takes us into paths that we have not planned for. It is its ambiguity that drives me to find more about it. Surely, in view of your writings, you are much more experienced than I in this field. I appreciate what you do.

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#12
Phil Friedman drinks.

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#11
I fully agree with you . When we drink water frequently it becomes a habit. I drink four warm cups of water in the morning. I think Japanese do that. Now, one of the first things I do in the morning is to drink warm water. I don't thin about it any more. Water is the main constituent of our bodies and we should replace water that our bodies lose.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #6

#11
Jean, with apologies to Dr. Anani for drifting off topic, if you have concern for the beneficial effects of water-borne minerals, you should also understand that reverse osmotic processing of water REMOVES ALL THE MINERALS from water, leaving you pretty much with the equivalent of distiller water. Cheers!

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#8
Dear sister Irene Hackett and myself. The equation initially started as: Knowing + Doing = Movement SInce then the equation has been modified, and I believe Sara is writing a buzz about it. The knowing part is there, but not the doing part in my case and so there was no movement. This is my paradox, I knew, but I didn't do and so my movement was paralyzed.

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#5
Harvey Lloyd- I fully agree with you on this "These are the journeys we must understand that make us who we are". Absolutely as we need to fluctuate between success and failure. I have no doubt. The question that clouds my mind is why we fail to do basic things when they are easy to implement, but very costly when we don't. We leave the obvious and only awaken to it when we pay high prices? Yes, we learn, but we could have learnt at a much lower cost.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

4 years ago #3

Ali Anani has elaborated on this in her posts you have linked. I am not sure i would class a segment of our journey as a fail. The rabbit holes we attend sometimes have us shirk our known needs for something that is shiny and maybe enlightening. These are the journies we must understand that make us who we are. Your MD and your even asking these questions show that you have rediscovered a truth served before. From your report things are changing for the better. For this i am thankful.

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#3
Great comment dear debasish majumder. You bring a hugely important point. We need to drink plentiful amounts of water regardless in what climate we live. Being in a cold place doesn't negate this fact. That is why the drive should be internal. In hot places we are forced by feeling to drink, but this is not self-driven. Even while living in countries like Kuwait I failed to drink enough water. External conditions help, but aren't sufficient.

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Thank you for sharing it Chas Wyatt

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