Corona Can Make Us Stronger

Corona Can Make Us Stronger

The discussions on my previous post “Corona- Threats and Opportunities” stirred the idea of this post. Harvey Lloyd wrote in a comment, referring to the corona crisis “But as risk and time increase and work against each other we find that the Action portion grows in need substantially”. In the darkness of chaos what action to take can be confusing as @Zacharias   Voulgaris Pointed out in his comment “throughout human history this has been true: one never knows what event or situation might dramatically change an individual life or a nation”. @Fay Vietmeier mentioned in one of her comments the illusion of controlling a chaotic situation. Our actions should be geared towards reducing the current risk while preparing us to be stronger and antifragile following the crisis. CityVP Manjit highlighted this point in his comment on LinkedIn. He wrote “For me while safety and ensuring good health practices is the given norm, the evolution is about the new future we walk into”.

We realize the voids the corona crisis is causing to us. These include the emotional voids, the lost dreams voids, the loss of beloved ones voids, the social distancing voids and the list goes on. Voids are empty spaces and a source of weakness for us…unless we view them positively that that we may turn them to areas of strength to meet unanticipated and uncontrollable future crisis.

The same concept applies to glass. Alterations to the usual glass production process, such as putting the material under stress, can introduce effects that linger even after the material hardens. Manufacturers have long exploited this phenomenon to strengthen glass.

We all have voids, but we differ on how to fill them or deal with them. Nature tells us that we may use the voids to make us stronger. The corona crisis is creating emotional, physical and spiritual voids in our lives. But these voids can be our source of distributing the pressure load by the strong nations helping the weak ones.

We shouldn’t be fearful of the voids the corona crisis has created. Instead, we may use these voids to strengthen our societies and foster them. Nature tells us how.

On the edge of voids great things may happen. They are edges for creative approaches
Ali Anani, PhD


Our failures are the holes and voids. They are the centers for us to grow
Ali Anani, PhD
We need to care for the immediate voids that corona places on us while not forgetting that in the long run we may turn those voids creatively and make us all more coherent.
Ali Anani, PhD

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Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #107

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Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee You are hard to keep up with my dearest Professor ;~) ... i answered this on your other post: "Small today, but devastating tomorrow" But I am so filled with joy that you are searching for “pearls” The law of sowing & reaping is of God and revealed in all Holy Scriptures “show gratitude to what God offered you … then God shall give you more of what you have… Gratitude truly is a right heart-response (not whining & complaining) “Gratitude is not only the greatest virtue … it is the parent of all other virtues” ~ Cicero You rightly say: “I am thinking for the value of learning” … but there is a Greater reality Where is your learning leading? What is the end goal? The “real pearl” … I shared this on your post "Where is the pearl?" The “Pearl of Great Price” … For me this is finding Christ … knowing Him more … Finding God’s purpose for my life Finding wisdom and discernment … these are “pearls of insight”

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#110
Good day Fay Vietmeier Thank you. For me the stepping our of the Cafe has resulted in my comment to you not here, bit the following one. Maybe it is worthy of repeating here for easier comparison. Dear Fay Vietmeier Thank you. I am glad I found the spiritual power in the drawbacks law. In Moslems' holy book it states that if you show gratitude to what God offered you then God shall give you more of what you have. if you be thankful I will give you more If we show gratitude to what God has blessed us with no matter how little God shall give more. Likewise; if we don't complain about testing our endurance then God shall make us come out stronger. In recent days, those countries that they thought they are immune of the virus turned out to be the most vulnerable. You see you make me think. And I am still trying to find the pearl. Not because I want the pearl out of greed, but out of trying to learn. So, God may honor me being a more of a genuine learner. The materialistic think of the value of the pearl; I am thinking for the value of learning. Let me search and if I even don't find the pearl I get rewarded with being more of an antifragile learner. How do you find this? The more I differ with you, the more we both learn. This is the real pearl and not the pearl itself.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #105

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Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee I often consider … how often it is just the two us let on the “Well-Spring” café of beBee Much is revealed in that ;~) Now I think you said it’s 2 am your time … per your comment on my post I just put up: “Redeem the Time” I hope you are not reading but sleeping … you need your rest ;~) it is important to well-being ;~) This is so packed with insight: “I need to step back and magnify the differences in thoughts to see them differently being magnified instead of distorted. You know when we focus on issue too closely the picture gets blurred and we come to conclusion from a blurred picture that could be deceptive.” (I knew you meant step not “set”) What you said reminded me of holding a book up to your face and trying to read … you might catch a few words or sentence’s … but real meaning is lost or “distorted” That is why it is wise when something is bothering or troubling … challenging to us to step back. Perhaps even lay the matter aside until being able to thoughtfully consider the matter … this is what I try to do. You say: “Intentions don't build enduring concrete relationships” Kevin Baker may join in … I know he talks a lot about “intentions” Relationships are complex. All relationships are a sowing and reaping. Time reveals the depth & quality of relationships … What “treasure is in each jar of clay” determines the journey. The “pearl” is leaving the Café ;~)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#108
Fay Vietmeier I managed now to find the pearl in you. I opened the oyster How to combine the Law of Drawbacks with what maybe The law of Reverse Magnification. When I read a law and I ponder on it I need to set back and magnify the differences in thoughts to see them differently being magnified instead of distorted. You know when we focus on issue too closely the picture gets blurred and we come to conclusion from a blurred picture that could be deceptive. I shall share my thoughts when they firm up. As for concrete differences again you made me smile and reminded me of my post "Avoid Building Concrete Relationships" https://www.bebee.com/producer/@ali-anani/avoid-building-concrete-relationships In the post I wrote "Both cement and concrete tend to form gaps in varying sizes. Once this is allowed the concrete shows ailing signs such as cracking". Then I wrote later "Intentions don't build enduring concrete relationships; in contrast they may produce an adverse effect.". This is a drawback effect as when we intend to strengthen the concrete of relationships we weaken them. What reminded me of this is your writing "When there are "differences" that seem like concrete ... which is hard ... hard to move ... engagement deemed futile ... pointless A thoughtful ... time consuming effort to bridge the gap:, Yes, if these differences create the voids instead of filling the gaps relation deteriorate. You are a pearl my friend.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #103

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Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee "when people exchange comments and this causes some differences in thoughts if this reverse effect is magnified." Yes Ali ~ there are times that a "reverse effect is magnified" ... I have experienced this ... can speak only on how this effected me ... When there are "differences" that seem like concrete ... which is hard ... hard to move ... engagement deemed futile ... pointless A thoughtful ... time consuming effort to bridge the gap Met by "sounds of silence" ... "magnified" ... not even an echo Yes: "The pearl in the question, but also in the person who asks the question." and in the person who answers ;~)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#106
Fay Vietmeier Not only you elaborated so well on the comment of CityVP Manjit, but also made me smile and think and think again. It is the "reverse magnification effect". I wonder when people exchange comments and this causes some differences in thoughts if this reverse effect is magnified. You put me in a challenging question to answer. The pearl in the question, but also in the person who asks the question.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #101

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CityVP Manjit You words reveal that you are a thinking man ... your insights to be valued ... "the same time as the after-effects will make well developed thinkers stronger for the experience, it can also have a reverse magnification effect on weaker minds, minds that have always been the plaything of social conditioning, whether it be marketers or politicians." "a reverse magnification effect" ... The challenge is that when people are "weak" ... weak-minded or spiritually weak ... they usually are not aware of the condition but the effect still plays out Very insightful: "We are not going to get stronger because we are conforming to new social habits, but we will become stronger if we know the when and why of our social habits." Calling all seekers ;~) discover the "when & why"

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#104
Great comment CityVP Manjit. Before I forget let me first tag my friend Fay Vietmeier because you mentioned her name in your comment, but it is not highlighted. I enjoyed reading your comment and this part I loved "The virus has exposed the weakness in our system to opportunists who engage many forms of frauds and exploitation". In my last post here I discussed some of these emerging voids such as economical voids, poverty voids and unemployment voids. Creativity from Disruption https://www.bebee.com/producer/@ali-anani/creativity-from-disruption As you rightly mentioned these voids offer us an opportunity to make us stronger. Disruption offers new possibilities of restructuring and the emergence of stronger and antifragile social structure. We need to self-organize into new structures and new ways to respond to social needs. Needs create the opportunity to do so only if we don't continue with our old habits and childhood responses.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

1 year ago #99

We are not going to get stronger because we are conforming to new social habits, but we will become stronger if we know the when and why of our social habits. Our fear responses as a child may have triggered a certain defensive minded habit when we were young, but our failure to understand that as a habit, weakens us in the future because we use the same responses to fight new threats. In comment #30 Fay Vietmeier mentioned that the voids were already there and that the present crisis as magnified those voids. The way we have been conditioned collectively by social media did create new voids, of which one we are now susceptible to which is fake news. Having said that I do see us collectively emerging from this age of lockdown stronger rather than weaker for wear. At the same time as the after-effects will make well developed thinkers stronger for the experience, it can also have a reverse magnification effect on weaker minds, minds that have always been the plaything of social conditioning, whether it be marketers or politicians. The virus has exposed the weakness in our system to opportunists who engage many forms of frauds and exploitation. Those that can see this and who are mindful of this will work harder to create a society with greater protections, but one of the economic voids created in our emerging digital age is the dismantling of laws that protected us, and the failure of creating new laws that deal with digital emergence. Those who pay attention to facts and unintended consequences, will emerge from this situation far stronger for having their various immunity powers strengthened.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #98

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Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee a worthy mission: helping others find pearls ;~)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#101
Dear Fay Vietmeier You score 100%. No wonder your comment is the 100th.It is what you are. Before I forget- you mentioned our superb friend in your comment, but as his name isn't highlighted I am tagging him Harvey Lloyd Yes, the triad of you, Harvey and I surely exchange lots of discussions that resulted in ideas for posts. This is the real beauty of writing. It is the feedback that keeps the author "warm" and energetic. I take this opportunity for being not only an oyster with pearls inside, but also in helping others find their own pearls.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #96

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Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Now it is my honor to be making the 100th comment ;~) Rare that posts reach this level of engagement my dear Professor ... Not wanting to be overly sweet here ... a wink to Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic ... just speak truth from my heart If anyone has followed our conversations ... you can see in the conversations the "oyster being opened" ... most recently Liesbeth "I love the conversation you carry on with @Fay Vietmeier there is chemistry in between the lines of both your sayings" https://www.bebee.com/producer/@liesbeth-leysen/when-she-met-her-inner-child I am not alone ... you have this "chemistry" with many bees @Harvey Lloyd shares a rich and longer "iron-sharpening-iron" relationship ... both of you being "the best-of-bees" to me ;~) And yes ... my "bee-famous draft" pile grew ;~) ... "The Perspective of a Pearl-seeker" ... coming to a theater near you ;~)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#99
Fay Vietmeier "I view a conversation ... a discussion like an oyster ... what will we find if I open it ... enter in? Pearls cannot be found if the oyster is closed ;~)" My "Spiritual Reminder"- because you remind me dear Fay of my posts. I wrote a post on beBee "open or closed minds" and your integrated lines on pearls and that to get them we need to open the oyster. Well, I assure you that you like an oyster but with the pearl inside. If we open your heart and mind we shall find the pearl inside. Don't tell me that you aren't going to expand this valuable comment into a post. People need to not only find the rare oyster, but also to dare open it. Your engagements with me and other commenters played a significant role in this post reaching almost one hundred comments. To you I am deeply grateful.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #94

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Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Before I forget ... I see you are close to 100 comments ... This makes me SMILE … on your behalf It is your ambassador qualities of engagement that bring this to fruition … your rare ability to have a conversation ... when you know there is different perspective I view a conversation ... a discussion like an oyster ... what will we find if I open it ... enter in? I have learned in aces the lessons of being a "pearl-seeker" on beBee Javier 🐝 CR … sweet thanks ;~) The reward is that “pearl-seekers” can also be a "pearl-finders" It’s hard to find "pearls" with closed eyes (or a closed mind) ... those who might "think they have found all the pearls" ... or just do not value "pearls" … will never know what they are missing ;~) In the South Sea pearl oyster which yields the most valuable pearls … only 1 in 10,000 reveals a pearl ... some valued over a million dollars https://www.bebee.com/producer/@ali-anani/shells-of-wisdom This you shared with me awhile back … I got sidetracked but will comment further there My high level of curiosity has been a unique gift for finding “pearls” Pearls cannot be found if the oyster is closed ;~)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#97
Dear Fay Vietmeier Well-said.To be a pearl-finder you have to be first a pear-seeker s. The minute we stop searching for the pearls thinking that we found all of the pearls, the minute we retreat and shall find no more pearls. Discussions help at least in knowing what pearls to seek. This is the way I see our exchanges of comments.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #92

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee I love "iron-sharpening-iron" conversations Again: ... you are a rare "pearl" my dear Professor ;~) Sadly most people want you affirming what they say ... or think ... do not like to be challenged Genuine ... engaging ... authentic conversation requires an open heart & mind ... The ability to defend or explain a position requires thoughtfulness & caring (which I endeavor earnestly to practice) ... as do you ;~) RARE that this is reciprocated Often simple ... as minimal as one sentence responses ... could dishearten even the bravest bee ;~) Which just proves that "pearl-seekers" are as RARE as "pearl-finders ;~)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#94
Fay Vietmeier You see even though we might be seeing things differently, yet we keep the standard high so that our discussions may benefit others. It is my great pleasure that I am connected with you and get some of the spiritual power you have.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#93
No wonder I call you dear Fay Vietmeier my spiritual mentor. Yes, even scientists must have the spirit to find the truth. But, being funded to do their research they have to go into areas from from spirituality. I worked as researcher for good years of my life. I know well that getting funds from governments or industry requires a goal that has tangible benefits. To get funds researchers need to publish scientific research. I know the spiritual power you have. I don;t envy you,but I am jealous of you. That calm you have in the heart is enough to navigate you where you want.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #89

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Perspective of a “Pearl seeker” … a precious insight “We may say things differently for one or all reasons, but still what we see is beauty.” ~ Ali Anani ... This perspective is how to begin ... to bride that gap: You say well: "The hidden power of spirit and heart are beyond imagination... The above causes a gap between people with great faith and those with much less faith in the spiritual power. This is why to bridge the gap we need to be patient, understanding and responsive. I appreciate the way you discuss differences.Paradoxically, it is these differences that make the discussion warm and interesting to follow." ... you are a rare "pearl" my dear Professor ;~)

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #88

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Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee We are all spirit beings ... who just happen to live in a body of flesh "this treasure in a jar of clay" All of the TREASURE is IN the jar of clay ;~) When the body dies ... the treasure ... the spirit ... our essence lives on The older I become ... the more I wonder that people do not ponder more ... What follows LIFE? I am very much like your father "influenced by (my) belief in God ... (my) writings are centered around (my) faith in God" It is written: "the apple does not fall far from the tree" ... may it be ;~) that you get closer to that tree ;~) Everything is a sowing & reaping. Sow where you want to harvest. "Even though the realms of religion and science in themselves are clearly marked off from each other, nevertheless there exist between the two strong reciprocal relationships and dependencies. Though religion may be that which determines the goal, it has, nevertheless, learned from science, in the broadest sense, what means will contribute to the attainment of the goals it has set up. But science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of religion. To this there also belongs the faith in the possibility that the regulations valid for the world of existence are rational, that is, comprehensible to reason. I cannot conceive of a genuine scientist without that profound faith. The situation may be expressed by an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." ~ Albert Einstein

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#90
Dear Fay Vietmeier Just reading your last two lines "Everyone has a heart & a spirit … much of LIFE is found in these 2 places that, although not seen, are of equal importance to all that is seen in the physical … sadly too much of our time-talents-and resources are focused on the physical … at the loss of the spirit & heart". Scientists who invent chemicals or weapons with the aim to cause mass killing most like lost the spirit and heart. The hidden power of spirit and heart are beyond imagination, but very few people have spirits and hearts like you do. I am certain you read and devoted good quality times reading holy books and you reached a point that someone like way falls behind. This is because I devoted much less quality times to reading books on spirit and heart. The above causes a gap between people with great faith and those with much less faith in the spiritual power. This is why to bridge the gap we need to be patient, understanding and responsive. I appreciate the way you discuss differences.Paradoxically, it is these differences that make the discussion warm and interesting to follow.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#89
Dear Fay Vietmeier You are a spiritual well and very few people have this power. Beliefs and especially long-held ones dictate how we think and how firmly we hold to them. I am one example.You remind me of my father because I believe he was one of the people who was influenced by his belief in God. All his writings (including a book in English with a British co-author that was published in London) centered around his faith in God. Scientist engineers and scientists like myself tend to question everything and this can be distracting to how firmly they hold to their beliefs. One other example is Mohammed Abdul Jawad. I see he is very faithful judging from the posts he writes. It is how the ball bounces.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #85

Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic continued: In the search for truth, knowledge, wisdom and revelation (which can be in the physical: confirmed by science or in the spiritual: confirmed by faith) ... Inquiring minds should want to know … and are well-served by a curiosity that engages … reasons … earnestly seeks to know An attitude of “futility” produces defeat … closes minds IF a person has discovered truths … that might enrich life (their & others) … this sharing is “rightly-ordered” Required: A “right” heart-attitude – AND the understanding that sharing does NOT necessarily produce agreement Such sharing merits respect & consideration … and who knows … discovery may flow out of the process … where follows: growth personally or spiritually (I have experienced this) SHALLOW … even cowardly is the person who would hide the priceless treasure of “Truth” This is Truth: What you feed grows: “good or evil” … “darkness or Light” … “love or hate” ... "belief or unbelief" The journey of life should be a journey of GROWTH (personal & spiritual) Human beings are always in process & should be open to and able to see the moments & opportunities to GROW (a KEY) ... often those moments pass by because of BIAS, blindness or pride (heart condition & heart-attitude) Everyone has a heart & a spirit … much of LIFE is found in these 2 places that, although not seen, are of equal importance to all that is seen in the physical … sadly too much of our time-talents-and resources are focused on the physical … at the loss of the spirit & heart

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #84

Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic Lada~ I know we’ve bantered in a similar way before ;~) ... No "tiptoeing" here You "say what you think" ... would you expect less from me? No "pulpit" intended ... I am WHOSE I am and that shapes who I am ... and how I think ... my very BEING Should I merely "tiptoe" and tickle the ears of the like-minded? Again: I hope to NEVER “impose” my truth on anyone … that would be WRONG Truth is TRUTH … whether it is accepted or believed God is the Source & Standard of “Truth” (never a finite human being) This is sacred: Each person chooses the direction of their life: values … beliefs … “truths” … and their destiny is determined by their choices To me: “Truth” is priceless … searching for truth is rightly ordered … eternity awaits us all. Whatever or wherever that is … I want to know with all my being. As I mentioned: before: In the search for truth, knowledge, wisdom and revelation (which can be in the physical: confirmed by science or in the spiritual: confirmed by faith) ... inquiring minds should want to know … and are well-served by a curiosity that engages … reasons … earnestly seeks to know An attitude of “futility” produces defeat … closes minds IF a person has discovered truths … that might enrich life (their & others) … this sharing is “rightly-ordered” Required: A “right” heart-attitude – AND the understanding that sharing does NOT necessarily produce agreement Such sharing merits respect & consideration … and who knows … discovery may flow out of the process … where follows: growth personally or spiritually (I have experienced this) SHALLOW … even cowardly is the person who would hide the priceless treasure of “Truth” (part 1) (part 1)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#86
Thank you< Lada. I know, but wanted to be sure.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

1 year ago #82

#85
Ali, you know what discussions I am talking about - that turn most comment sections into a pulpit. I don't tiptoe but openly say what I think.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#84
I surely don't feel this way when I have discussions with you Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic. I have learned a lot from our discussions and from your mind and experience. This is an opportunity to say thank you

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

1 year ago #80

#82
I forgot to add that I also never get into a discussion with people who always try to impose their "truth" upon you, and they are so persistent in it. I learned that such a discussion is, to say the least - futile. Cheers!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#82
Fay Vietmeier I always say "the more we know the less we know for we discover how lesser we know".

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #78

Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic Lada ~ I appreciate you ... in no way "feel called out" "Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish." ~ Albert Einstein I'm agree with you that vast majority of people are "firmly persuaded that they know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, all answers regarding a particular topic, and firmly stick to their beliefs and ideas no matter what" Why argue with truth ... knowledge ... proven facts This "bee" is always in search of wisdom & truth ... place great value on them Will earnestly & openly get into a discussion with anyone who possesses them ... anyone I can learn from ... such "discussions" do not begin at a place of agreement ... understanding & revelation take time ;~) I'm glad too ... to know the ONE who holds all answers. ;~)

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

1 year ago #77

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Dear Fay, my previous comment didn't refer to you and me specifically. I'm sorry if you felt called out. I never get into a discussion with people who are firmly persuaded that they know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, all answers regarding a particular topic, and firmly stick to their beliefs and ideas no matter what. I'm glad you know the one who has the answers to all questions. :)

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #76

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Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic Lada~ We both share the gift of curiosity. I have always been an earnest student. I never accept the surface of things I have been dubbed by those who know me well “queen of questions” … helped much by my curios spirit & nature … This is how I learn I developed this quality over decades in business where my role was usually business development … I learned to see the bigger picture and value small seemingly insignificant details I Learned to ask strategic questions … and analyze needs … discover “pains” & challenges within organizational structure & processes It was a process … The same principle of discovery & learning applies in the spiritual realm Some things can only be spiritually discerned … one must look with spiritual eyes … this is Spirit to spirit As mentioned earlier: Humans have a hard time seeing voids in the spiritual realm ... but there is a Divine microscope that can help detect the condition I say ongoing: “I do not have the answers to many questions … but I know the ONE who does ;~) I agree with your wisdom: “The only thing that differentiates us are questions we ask about the world around us, and how much we are willing to seek new knowledge” With warmest respect I wish Peace on this Good Friday Be well with all your being … and those in the circle of your life ;~)

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #75

Harvey Lloyd I forgot to say in the below comment "thanks for the "painting on my brain" picture ... great way to picture using a metaphor ;~) if I can remember in the future I will give a warning if using a metaphor: "wet paint ... I'm trying to paint on your brain" You are such a wise bee ;~)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#77
Fay Vietmeier I am blushing. Thank you dear friend for all your comprehension and understanding of what I intend to communicate when I write. As a matter of fact my last post here is an attempt to show visually, and not by text only, the escalating effect of a trivial comment that becomes significant with time. This is to say that words + Visuals have their synergistic effect id used together sensibly.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #73

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Harvey Lloyd "Metaphors for me, is an author attempting to place a painting on my brain. He/She is estimating they can draw from my library of experiences and fill in a picture through metaphor. Sometimes the art is more difficult to understand than the words. But when they connect words, art and understanding, it displays the authors intentions quite nicely. Again, understanding and agreeing live on two very different planes." I will use this over & over for I am taken by the simplicity and promise: Perspective of a “Pearl seeker” … this precious insight from our dear “Professor” “We may say things differently for one or all reasons, but still what we see is beauty.” ~ Ali Anani May it be ;~)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Fay Vietmeier I read and I liked your comment my dear thoughtful leader. Thank you also for quoting me in your comment.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #71

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Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee "honey more than sleep" now that is very sweet ;~) Our minds do have "synchronicity" because in our sharing there is no duplicity ;~) I too added a lengthy comment on "Inner Child" post Some For some strange reason I was unable to "like" your comment ?? #66 You're welcome on the sharing ;~)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#73
Well, I have just published the post Small Acts, but Devastating Results" https://www.bebee.com/producer/@ali-anani/small-today-but-devastating-tomorrow Maybe I addressed your great points here Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #69

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"I want to show visually how small acts can lead to catastrophes." Small acts outside of crisis can become catastrophes when we are idle minded within success. Small acts in crisis can become our enemy if quick solutions are sought. These two paradigms represent the same aspect of choice/action. Every choice/action must include maintenance. Every day or in crisis every hour new information is presented. Captains of large ships are chronically worried about where they are on the body of water they find themselves. You can not plot a safe A to B course without knowing A. They have multiple layers of ways to determine position as information changes in weather and other conditions. In our crisis we are engaged in a fleet of ships. The pandemic has set forth that government is now the flagship. All other ships are captaining their vessels based off information from the flagship. (Hoping for the day when government returns the flags back to the individual ships.) So each choice/action we make is based on a routine updating. We cant fire and forget around actions. We fire and guide each choice. If you are not maintaining your choice/actions within the communications of the flag ship, catastrophe will consume you.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#71
Our bodies host millions of cells and bacteria. It amazed me how such small space of the human body is enough to hold millions of "inhabitants". I am writing this in reference to your "We laugh at how many folks we can get in such a small space". Yes, it is surprising what we can do. I am writing now a post in response to lady commenter who wrote incoherent comments on my last post on LI. am not bothered by her as much as I want to do exactly what you wrote here "Sometimes the art is more difficult to understand than the words. But when they connect words, art and understanding, it displays the authors intentions quite nicely". I want to show visually how small acts can lead to catastrophes

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #67

#60
I got a smile from your comment about everyone at home working on laptops. We designed and built our current home with our oldest daughter and her family. I designed in a computer room for myself with two workstations. Not used much till now. The smallest space in the house is now having to be scheduled. We laugh at how many folks we can get in such a small space. Glad to hear you are faring well. Science seems really bent on, In the beginning.......Some of the theories they have put forth are interesting but require more faith than believing in fairy dust. Nothing is something is one of the latest rounds of being able to support the big bang theory. String theory, multiverse and others do not follow Occam's Razor. Metaphors for me, is an author attempting to place a painting on my brain. He/She is estimating they can draw from my library of experiences and fill in a picture through metaphor. Sometimes the art is more difficult to understand than the words. But when they connect words, art and understanding, it displays the authors intentions quite nicely. Again, understanding and agreeing live on two very different planes.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

1 year ago #66

#62
Dear Fay, it is the same reality, regardless of whether one sees things scientifically or spiritually. :) The only thing that differentiates us are questions we ask about the world around us, and how much we are willing to seek new knowledge.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#67
Fear Fay- again I thank you for your appreciated reshare

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#66
Fay Vietmeier Exchanging comments with you is just honey dear friend. I would rather enjoy the honey than sleep. I wrote a detailed comment in reply to your comment on post/ I hope it helps in solving the DRAFTS issue. I am sure our minds have such synchronicity. I do appreciate your re-share of this post. By the way- I shared it on LinkedIn and has been reshared by parties that I never had exchange of comments with. Indeed, writing brings people closer together.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #63

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Something else I checked on ... thought I shared this post already ... but it was "Corona Threats" ... Hope this later share ... draws just the right bees into a great conversation ;~)

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #62

#63
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee I never cease to be amazed at you ... your insightful nature ... truly you are a "pearl finder" We are miles apart in probably many things ... yet can be aligned in grasping truths and picking up "pearls" Yes: my dear Professor that thought was just added to a "draft" that is in process which makes reference to the optimistic thought you have written here: "Corona can make us stronger" The question is ... will it ? Now sweet sleep to you ;~) take off your Professor hat and put on your night cap ... or is it have a night cap ;~)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#61
I meant do you agree in my previous comment. It is past midnight and I know I shall make typing mistakes.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#61
Fay Vietmeier "So much of how we “see” is shaped by perspective and values & focus". And then how we process what we see. Dear agree my dear friend?

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#62
Fay Vietmeier Your metaphor "Divine microscope: I hope is one of your famous DRAFT File. I love it.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #58

Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Harvey Lloyd (part 2) I can appreciate how you see the world and may even at times agree To a scientific mind: nothing is really “empty” because of those “subatomic particles and various fluctuating fields … quarks and gluons” In a prior conversation: I remember sharing something along this thought plane When one person is sees in the physical and another in the spiritual … it can be like speaking two different languages … both can be seen as beautiful ;~) From my perspective “voids” can exist in the spiritual and the physical ... Humans have a hard time seeing voids in the spiritual realm ... but there is a Divine microscope that can help detect the condition

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #57

Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Harvey Lloyd Before I comment I want to share this precious insight from our dear Professor (I should memorize this for I find that I’m using it repeatedly ‘~) “We may say things differently for one or all reasons, but still what we see is beauty.” ~ @Ali A thought that occurred to me as I read comments was It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see.” ~ Henry David Thoreau So much of how we “see” is shaped by perspective and values & focus I really appreciate your wisdom Harvey: “Metaphors, and even comments about them, open up our eyes to the author of these intriguing concepts. Like art it challenges us to understand the author and their meaning, giving insight into their thoughts. I subscribe to the thought of the written word is written by an individual for us to understand them. I get most metaphors from the authors perspective; this doesn't mean that i agree with their conclusions.” (I have a friend from Bulgaria who has her PhD in chemistry ... she is brilliant woman ... you remind me of her in some ways) That is a compliment ;~) You obviously have a brilliant mind Lada, educated in science … thus see things scientifically (that’s where your heart& focus is) I see things spiritually (for that is where my heart & focus is) part 1

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

1 year ago #56

#58
Thanks, Harvey. I'm always glad to see your replay to my comment. The concept of nothingness is for me, to say the least, fascinating, but we may never be able to define what nothing is. Scientists should be first to agree on what “empty” means to understand what "nothing" is. Thanks for asking about the situation in Croatia. So far, the situation is under control. I work from home for the last three weeks. The apartment we live in is pretty crowded because the whole family are at home behind laptops. :) How are you coping thru the COVID 19 situation?

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#58
I started publishing mini posts on LinkedIn on Metaphors for creativity. Soon, I shall combine them with explanations in one post for beBee. I say the above because I am the author and I get different perspectives from the use of different metaphors for the same topic. I am therefore experiencing what you wrote in your comment Harvey Lloyd "Culturally we do see the use of words, allegories and metaphors differently, this is the diversity that i enjoy". Yes, it is fun to have variety of perspectives.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #54

#55
Metaphors, and even comments about them, open up our eyes to the author of these intriguing concepts. Like art it challenges us to understand the author and their meaning, giving insight into their thoughts. I subscribe to the thought of the written word is written by an individual for us to understand them. I get most metaphors from the authors perspective, this doesn't mean that i agree with their conclusions. The nothing is something argument is one that has been put forward by certain scientists as supporting the beginning of our universe. Because we experience this phenomena today it doesn't mean it was true billions of years ago. According to physics our physics don't work at and during the "big bang". But i did enjoy your metaphoric meaning and understanding of the posts concepts across boarders/cultures. Culturally we do see the use of words, allegories and metaphors differently, this is the diversity that i enjoy. Through reading culturally different metaphoric expression i can learn about that culture. Hope you are doing well during this crazy virus stuff.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Dear Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic- I thank you for your sharing the post in the relevant hive (Metaphor). Greatly appreciated

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#55
Dear Lada, I was waiting eagerly for your comment. Yes, hates hates emptiness,but what if the space is not filed completely? You remind me of fractals that don't fill the space and leave unfilled ones. AT least to the naked eye we see emptiness. I liked your sound elaboration on concrete. Again, we don't get anything for nothing. The improved concrete sacrifices some of its strength as you pointed out. I smiled reading this "Perhaps our inner voids are also a kind of safety valve:. Is this a metaphor? But, very subtle and explains your idea so well. In fact, this is a great idea for a post by you. I thank you so much for taking the time to comment. You give different perspectives than all other comments.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

1 year ago #51

Dear Ali, this is another one of your posts that I find challenging for commenting mainly due to your use of metaphors. Void as a metaphor for inner emptiness is seen differently depending on cultural and religious background. Frankl called these inner voids "existential vacuum" or the feeling of the total and ultimate meaningless of one's life. In Eastern cultures, "void" is associated with creative energy and inventiveness. A void is, by definition, empty space. The concept of "empty space" has been discussed since pre-Socratic Greek philosophers. According to modern physics, there is no complete emptiness. In "empty space" there are plentiful of subatomic particles and various fluctuating fields. In a vacuum, particles called quarks and gluons appear. On the largest scale, the universe is a huge cosmic web of galaxies and cosmic voids in between. And voids are filled with energy. The more we know about nature, the more mysterious facets being uncovered. In concrete technology, the introduction of air into concrete mixes has beneficial effects both the plastic and the hardened concrete, especially improve the resistance of concrete to damage from cycles of freezing and thawing, although air voids reduce the strength of concrete. When freezing, hydraulic pressure forces the capillary water into the air voids, which act as a safety valve by giving the water a reservoir into which to flow. During thawing compressed air in the voids forces the water back into the capillaries. Perhaps our inner voids are also a kind of safety valve which serve during a time where we are under pressure by reducing damage and thus compensating for the reduction in strength.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

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Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #49

#52
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee She is like a toddler ... seeking attention Although at times ... she actually is telling me something important For example: my water dish is empty ... intelligent cat ;~)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#51
Fay Vietmeier AT least a bite from a loving cat shan't be painful.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #47

#47
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Yes, a cat shall be a cat ... I have 4 at the moment One possesses canine qualities ... she does not bark but she does bite ;~)

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #46

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Harvey Lloyd On this day you reordered my priories ;~) That's my next post ;~) This buss Inspired by you both ... the "best of bees" "Paper cuts to the heart" ... a side-effect of social distancing https://www.bebee.com/producer/@fay-vietmeier-pennsylvania/paper-cuts-to-the-heart-a-side-effect-of-social-distancing

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#48
Love your idea that we should prefer wisdom to old because it is what wisdom we gain over time that matters. Since reading your previous comment #46 about barking cats I have been thinking about it. Today, hopefully, I shall write a mini post for LI based on what I arrived at. Reading your comments is a source of ideas for me Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #44

#47
I used to be young, not sure when the transition happened to old. But i know in my youth i had the world by the tail. Today i look back and fully understand the axiom, "youth is wasted on the young". The old of my youth seemed to be worried about stuff that didn't matter. Now from my new vantage point they were wise and i was foolish. I learned this earlier than most, but it still seemed pretty late in life. I prefer the word wise to old when we look at the spectrum of time between those who are starting out vs those who have figured it out.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#46
Yes, the paradox of social distancing and social closeness is harder on the old because their feelings of isolation is magnified more than that of the young. The old people(including myself) are in need of the warmth of social closeness. Those old people who are familiar of new technologies may lessen the problem of distancing. I enjoyed reading " hollering at your cat to bark like a dog". But still a cat shall be a cat.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #42

#43
Although social distancing (SD) is a great method for combating the virus, it runs counter to human nature. I appreciate the government warnings and stepping up their resoluteness in “ordering” SD. Well you may as well be hollering at your cat to bark like a dog. If you push at human nature in contrary ways for to long from your avenger status you may wake up something you should have left alone. Good or bad, folks in America will let you contain human nature for a while, but if efficacy is not shown and power shifting is seen as the basis........you get the picture. A challenging space we live. Our government has entered our bedrooms and taken roost. Post crisis extrication will prove interesting if not a greater issue than the pandemic itself. Thank you for your prayers. My dad has been on borrowed time for a few years. He is a great father and member of the communities he has lived. I am saddened that the times we are in have left him isolated. But the alternative appears to be worse than isolation?

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #41

Harvey Lloyd Please know that as I pray for all my bee-friends which includes you ;~) I'll be sure to include your parents "isolated" ... but not alone ;~) I am so grateful for the promise of our Lord: "I am with you" Not visible ... but ever near ;~) His Peace prevails ...

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#42
Fay Vietmeier Dear Fay- it is good that you are writing now on this very relevant topic these days. When we fight an unknown enemy the spiritual power is crucial to keep going. I look forward to reading your post.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #39

#42
Harvey Lloyd “paper cuts with no social interaction” … are cuts to the heart Just as the “social distancing” has been crushing to economic well-being "Social distancing" is crushing to the hearts & spirits of those being “isolated Again: I find irony in the fact that lifestyle has become increasingly sedentary and “social media” has made the entire world much less “connected” in real relationships … now people are being requested or mandated to become more sedentary & further isolated … I must must confess I that I see this as more than physical ... it is also spiritual ... because Satan, the "Separator ... separates"

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #38

#41
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee I am writing even now on this very subject the ability to be "anti-fragile" is not wand waving This is strength of spirit ... This "strength" is not something that Amazon offers It has to be produced ... it requires awareness , attentiveness ... nurture, and "push-ups" Just as we have to do physical exercise ... we have to "sow to the spirit" "God can only do for me ... what I allow (even invite) Him to do in me"

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#38
+Fay Vietmeier Life throws chaos at us at all times. We are unable to predict chaotic future events. The only way to deal with them is to be prepared for them. This is possible by introducing small dozes of chaos intentionally in our lives.I mean prepare for the unknown by being fit. If I exercise for twenty minutes a day for a month that is normal. The challenge is to increase slowly the training time and then try more difficult training so that we build our bodies to cope with our fragile lives and adapt in a timely fashion to the falling chaos. Fragility to chaotic events is built in us and we have to train to become antifargile by being stronger and stronger each day.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #36

#18
Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris So AGREE Zacharias with your admonishment: "I cannot stress this enough: social distancing is a counter-producing measure and can have detrimental repercussions to everyone's well-being" I responded to an exchange between you and Ali https://www.bebee.com/producer/@ali-anani/corona-threats-and-opportunities (#65) “As I read your exchanges … I thought “Life IS fragile” … throughout human history this has been true: one never knows what event or situation might dramatically change an individual life or a nation … a planet What is our response … what is our compass in this storm? … these will greatly determine outcomes We have become complacent … I find irony in the fact that lifestyle has become increasingly sedentary and “social media” has made the entire world much less “connected” in real relationships … now people are being requested or mandated to become more sedentary & further isolated I pray people find the Source ... to help them develop within ... the ability to find "strength in the face of adversity"

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #35

#9
Harvey Lloyd Harvey~ I always appreciate the wisdom you share: “Critical thinking in time of crisis IS paramount.” The value of the information about “confirming bias & poor information” is applicable Yesterday …Today & Tomorrow … DISCERNMENT is so precious Not only do “We need sharp media that is leveraging real questioning” we need sharp minds to lay hold of truth

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#34
Late, but with a great comment dear Fay Vietmeier. ]Yes, the voids were there, but appeared our of proportion due to the global crisis. In fact, I am reading many posts here that call for the revival of our spirituality. One benefit of this crisis is the realization that we need to work together. The crisis reminded us of the value of genuine social solidarity and the need to care for others to care for self. As to your reference that people need to be isolated, at least this tie for a purpose to which we agree. I stopped my daughter hugging me to protect her if there is a hidden need to so. It is hard, but also necessary. We are living days of tension between opposites. That is stressing. I hope you keep well my spiritual mentor.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#33
I add my voice to yours dear Fay Vietmeier, even though I still urge him to publish his post. I am sure it shall add value to this post.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #32

#30
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Hello my dear Professor ;~) … I was sidetracked doing research earlier … I’m delayed jumping in to a very interesting conversation ;~) These words grabbed my attention: “The corona crisis is creating emotional, physical and spiritual voids in our lives.” The thought that occurred to me is that many of these “voids” were already in place … already existed prior to the corona virus pandemic The “voids” are more likely being magnified I responded in your last post to an exchange between you & Zacharias https://www.bebee.com/producer/@ali-anani/corona-threats-and-opportunities (#65) “As I read your exchanges … I thought “Life IS fragile” … throughout human history this has been true: one never knows what event or situation might dramatically change an individual life or a nation … a planet What is our response … what is our compass in this storm? … these will greatly determine outcomes We have become complacent … I find irony in the fact that lifestyle has become increasingly sedentary and “social media” has made the entire world much less “connected” in real relationships … now people are being requested or mandated to become more sedentary & further isolated I pray people find the Source ... to help them develop within ... the ability to find "strength in the face of adversity"

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #31

#29
Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris You are a selfless, thoughtful bee ;~) ... to delay your post and not detract from this one ;~)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#28
Loving is caring and more. I agree fully with you Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#27
Cyndi wilkins You described the situation touchingly "The isolation they feel when their worlds change so abruptly and they are cut off from the 'outside' world". Isolation, fear and age reinforce each other. It is difficult for the elderly.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#26
My best wishes for your dad anf family Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #27

#27
We are trying to rotate visits but the children are all engaged with the outside world and would be devastated if we brought it to them. Technology is not their thing. We try but it always winds up about the technology and not about the social. Thanks for your acknowledgement of my parents and the fact that elderly are going to be part of the curve without even seeing the virus.

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

1 year ago #26

Only in beBee can you find two or more people disagreeing on something and yet carrying on the conversation as if they are best friends! Thank you Javier \ud83d\udc1d CR and co. for making this possible! If communicating in this way was the norm in social media, we wouldn't be needing any moderators or other guardians of sorts to keep things civilized.

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

1 year ago #25

#26
I'm so sorry to hear that Harvey Lloyd...This is especially poignant... Our elderly are really suffering...They depend on social interaction to 'stay in the game' mentally. We have been 'face-timing' my mother in law, who is in a care facility, quite frequently...She misses everyone, but is so grateful to see her children and grandchildren...even if it's on a video screen;-) You know, we are all getting a little glimpse of what their lives are like when they go into these facilities...The isolation they feel when their worlds change so abruptly and they are cut off from the 'outside' world. What an amazing lesson in love for all of us to care for our nations elders with more compassion and empathy for their situation...I wish you and your parents the very best Harvey.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #24

#18
I do not disagree at all with your emphases on the social construct. My parents are suffering from the fear of the virus equally with loneliness. I couldn't agree more. If my dad gets it he is dead. But he is slipping away of paper cuts with no social interaction.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#23
Your comment reflects your deep understanding of the chaos issue caused by the virus. I agree with you Cyndi wilkins it is how we fill the voids and structure them (hopefully something similar to what nature does) so that we may pass the risk which has fallen suddenly on all of us. For those who pass the "test" without being fit all I may say but what about future ones? We have to be prepared as of now.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#21
dear Oswaldo Enrique Diaz Delgado I agree with you and that A simple explanation is that every process in itself needs to manifest its weakness so that it is reinforced / improved / perfected. This is what we do so strengthen our muscles by training and adding little chaos to the training (harder training) till we become much stronger.

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

1 year ago #21

"Voids are empty spaces and a source of weakness for us…unless we view them positively that that we may turn them to areas of strength to meet unanticipated and uncontrollable future crisis." This is an exquisite statement Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee...as you point out we have been presented with a 'blank canvas' here as an opportunity to reinvent our lives if we can bring ourselves to 'choose' to fill those voids with sources of strength and mental fortitude when faced with such uncertainties...rather than plucking at the chords of chaos... This crisis too will eventually pass...But as Pascal Derrien so aptly points out... "A handful of tenacious souls will fight the good fight but the vast majority will go back to their previous lives." Meaning their previous 'thinking'..That is, of course, if they are fortunate enough to weather this storm...God bless...

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#19
I am in agreement with you Pascal Derrien. That is why we have around few people who face future storms. They have built in antifragility that help them cope with the unexpected.

Pascal Derrien

Pascal Derrien

1 year ago #19

We have a very short collective memory eg WW2 Vietnam Ebola etc etc etc I am very unsure that we will learn anything because we will want to forget a handful of tenacious souls will fight the good fight but the vast majority will go back to their previous lives the same I hope I am wrong but....

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

1 year ago #18

#15
Thank you for the summary Harvey Lloyd. This is very useful indeed. I'm sorry if I don't applaud your work even if I recognize your good intentions behind it. The reason is simple: social distancing has been shown to have negative effects, especially to people of the elderly population, who interestingly have a large overlap with the people who tend to get the worst of this virus situation. In other words, although not in these words, anyone who is promoting social distancing as such is effectively contributing to the problem this section of the population is facing, making it worse for them, regardless of whether they are affected by the virus or not. I cannot stress this enough: social distancing is a counter-producting measure and can have detrimental reprocussions to everyone's well-being, be it on the individual or the collective level. I've even written an article about it, so feel free to chekc it out. Cheers!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#15
What a great and concise summary of proper recommendations to halt the virus. You may consider publishing this comment as a mini post Harvey Lloyd so that more people would shall read it.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#6
Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris I have just finished reading the link you provided and what a great read it is. Towards the end the post says "“If you frequently trigger small cascades, you never get really massive events, but you [sacrifice] all that short-term profit,” Absolutely, and it is like introducing voids in concrete to make it weaker in the short run, but stronger later on. This is what I found in my search reported in this post. Corona introduces new voids in our lives, but these voids could make us stronger if we behave wisely. This is in accordance with Harvey Lloyd comments here in that the media is pushing us into "explosive crisis", in emulation of explosive percolation as described in your link.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #15

What we know: 1. The virus comes through our eyes, nose or throat. Don't touch your face unless you have washed your hands 2. Some people have sufficient anti-bodies and are asymptomatic, the belief is that these folks feel fine but can place the virus in our path. 3. The virus can survive in a droplet expelled from another on Stainless steal (Hard Surfaces) and other things like boxes from 30 minutes to 3 hours. 4. Social distancing is about avoiding the droplets expelled during a sneeze or cough. 5. 80+% of those infected will behave like they have the flu. 20% have preexisting conditions, genetics or other variables that place them at high risk. 6. It is unknown but believed that summer weather will reduce the virus survival. The belief is built on what the flu virus shows. 7. Washing your hands and using Clorox/bleach wipes on surfaces frequently touched, reduces your chances greatly in getting the virus. 8. When touching something realize its a loaded gun even if one person has touched it. That one person brings 100's of other touches with them. 9. Grocery shopping should include a bottle of hand sanitizer. Each package you touch has been touched by many others. Do not touch face without cleaning hands. 10. If you have family members who are in the 20% category, help them keep their space clean and wiped and practice social distancing.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

I thank you dear Mohammed Abdul Jawad for your re-share of the post.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#10
I am afraid Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris with the current practices that a " (large) pinch of salt" would become more expensive than gold!!!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#9
As you mentioned Harvey "Critical thinking in time of crisis is paramount". When we fill the hearts with fear and make the darkness darker then critical thinking fades. What you offer in your comment is a process of asking the right questions so that we may think critically. Sound thinking on your part.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#8
This is a timely comment Harvey Lloyd. I have just read that 50% of the immunity of a human body to the virus is psychological. What the media is doing is enhancing the fear and thus lowering this immunity. This is a sad situation and your comments reflects perfectly well on it. This is proven by the tests you mention in which a normal flue is magnified into a corona. This is not helpful and only weakens the society rather than fostering it. Social responsibility and distribution of the stress so that the social structure mayn't collapse is negating what the media is doing. Greed is eating hope away. This is why we need people like you to show us that we need to remain calm in spite of all the challenges that we face.

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

1 year ago #10

#8
Of course, just because someone tests positive on this (or any other test), it doesn't mean that they actually have the disease. I suggest we all look into this matter critically before start panicking. Figures like this ought to be taken with a (large) pinch of salt!

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #9

Methods for confirming bias and poor information: 1. Is the person asking a question, or answering one, that helps you make better choices? 2. Is the information sought giving you facts you can use or helping you to like or hate another person? 3. Are you sensing the branding effort is attempting to change your knowledge or your emotions? Critical thinking in time of crisis is paramount. Culling false arguments and branding is now front and center. We could laugh at these efforts as they had no risk to our well-being in the past. Today we are all making decisions about how we will survive the pandemic healthy and fiscally. Whether media likes a person or agrees with a person is no longer in the lexicon. We need sharp media that is leveraging real questioning, to get information decisions can be made. At the family level all the way up to the BOD room.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #8

I am sensing that we have the perfect storm brewing within media. Branding has become a way to emotionally drive traffic towards a company, issue or paradigm. Sounds benign outside of real risk. The pandemic nature of today has introduced risk beyond anyone's reality. But branding has been hijacked in displaying the pandemic in such a way that humans are being motivated by blame and fear. One factoid is that of the tests performed so far in the USA about 20% test positive while 80% just have the flu. These are early numbers and suspect but do offer some balance from the branding of apocalyptic graphs and charts along with seeking fault. This may have been great marketing in the past on low risk to human paradigms. Unfortunately with the elevated risk, branding efforts are proving to be detrimental to the public. Unfortunately we are to early in the cycle for real facts to be presented in a scientific manner. Eventually this will come. Until then we are left in the breach while media attempts to get your eyes and ears. My suggestion is that we all have bias ingrained in us. It is more important during this episode that we recognize that bias is present and ask the media what are you trying to confirm?

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#6
Thank you. Will read and then reply.

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

1 year ago #6

#4
Sure. Here it is: https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-complex-networks-explode-with-growth-20150714 I believe this scientific theory eloquently demonstrates concepts that originate from Chaos Theory and are linked to the antifragility concept, albeit indirectly.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

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Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#2
Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris First, allow me to thank you for your reshare of the post We need posts that lift up the spirits and I hope you don't hold up your post for long. I quoted you in this post for you were a genuine inspiration for me to write this one. Could you provide me with the link to your reference in the comment so that I may express my thoughts?

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

I thank you Javier \ud83d\udc1d CR for your prompt reshare of this post

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

1 year ago #2

I was in the process of publishing a new buzz today, conveying a similar message when I saw your post so I put mine on hold (I don't want to drive attention away from your buzz!). This reminds me of something beautiful I read on a scientific article recently about the concept of "explosive percolation" on the Quanta Magazine website. I'd love to hear your thoughts on that. Cheers!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Harvey Lloyd You are quoted in this post

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