Ali Anani

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GO VISUAL

AA y BS 7 LL MEETINGS How GRAPHICS, STICKY NOTES & IPEA MAPPING CAN TRANSFORM Wl GROUP PROPUCTINITY

The paradoxes of life hide lots of surprises for us. I was on my way to Saudi Arabia to run a workshop on the need of businesses to go visual. Just two days prior to my departure I fell down on my face and the frame of my eyeglasses broke. I had two severe cuts nearby my left eye. I was going to lecture on visual businesses when my eye was less than visual.

The workshop turned out to be a great reminder of the need to go visual. Visual leaders, visual decision-making, visual meetings, visual reporting, visual storytelling, visual data descriptions and whatever you may think of such as visual strategy, visual marketing and selling, visual persuasion and visual risk simulation.

This is an intensive trend. The human mind is far more capable of connecting visuals than other forms such as textual presentation. The tendency of using infographics is a way of turning huge amounts of data and text into a memorable format. To make use of meetings and change the attitude of meetings being a waste of time we need to turn them into visuals. David Sibbet is a pioneer in this field. His book on Visual Meetings is available for purchase in English at Grove Tools, Inc or Amazon. There are powerful approaches in how to turn meetings into visuals. The biggest source of time is wasted time. Meetings tend to be a waste of time. The book describes How Graphics, Sticky Notes & Idea Mapping Can Transform Group Productivity. The availability of new technologies has many spillover effects. One of them is certainly turning into visuals to allow for quicker association of ideas. People who work visually have better ideas, make better decisions, and are more committed to producing results. 

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                   https://books.google.jo/books/about/Visual_Meetings.html?id=U0VkDf7GoXQC&source=kp_cover&redir_esc=y

Word clouds is a way of turning texts into visual images. By using them we may find the frequency of repeating a word by its size. I made a word cloud of my file on visual data. I could see from the word cloud where my attention is focused and areas in which I need to expand on.

I don’t intend here to cover the areas of the need to go visual. Going visual whenever we can is my message. Images such as graphs and charts speak much louder than words. One idea that crossed my mind while looking at the risk charts is having a pain chart.

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Some pains are mild, moderate or severe. The frequency of pain and its impact are similar to those pains of risk. Such a chart shall be useful in visual storytelling and tension marketing. People shall act when their pains exceed their delight being in their comfort zone. This also reminds me of a presentation I wrote on Customers Risk Maps. Equally, the risks of minimizing groupthink ill-effects in my presentation Unequal Opposites (Slide 8). The image of risk reminded me even of my own work.

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I selected the tree format to seize this opportunity to wish all my readers a happy new year that is filled with joy and successes. Here, I could have eliminated the ‘hanging” words that don’t add any value such as the and also. This is text verification, in emulation of data verification. One great way of text visualization is the use of Visual Dictionary. It is a powerful way to apply in visual teaching and training.

The dictionary uses mini images to show the meaning of a word. An image helps us remember the meaning of a word. It could can help us to think creatively by associating an image with another image in back of our minds. I tend to use this dictionary for removing my mind block. It refreshes my mind.

Going visual is a sign of transparency and effective communication. If you know your topic well then visualize it. Make this a habit. Be a visual manager or leader.


#English #Visual Meetings #Saudi Arabia #David Sibbet #GO VISUAL
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Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #59

#65
Thank you dear Debasish Majumder for your lovely comment and sharing the buzz. Your poems are visual

Debasish Majumder

منذ 6 سنوات #58

'Going visual is a sign of transparency and effective communication', Great interpretation indeed sir Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee! you yourself an axiom in terms of visual depiction of any contents you have shared and it evidently substantiate your own comment i quote above sir. lovely insight! enjoyed read and shared. thank you for the buzz.

Louise Smith

منذ 6 سنوات #57

#62
That's good Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic ! I was referring to length of comments too I sometimes write too much I think it is better to write less and to write succinctly as others will not bother to read a long post I am used to writing long reports etc so to be brief is not easy To use less words takes more effort It helps crystalise the meaning to the necessary components - requires thinking ! So I often read an interesting sounding short post and get to the end and think what's the post about as to me it's like reading a short paragraph Sometimes I just write without "thinking" and a lot tumbles out I usually go back and cut out the extraneous words and info I guess I am very good at talking to people in many situations without planning so that sometimes creeps into my writing without my realising it !

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #56

#61
Thank you Louise Smith. Yes in the sea of information lies the few pearls. There is the mine.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

منذ 6 سنوات #55

#61
I know, Louise. :-) Thank you. I was referring to the length of some comments because I prefer to say something with as few words as possible. People sometimes tend to use more words than necessary to get their point. But we are all different and have own style of commenting.

Louise Smith

منذ 6 سنوات #54

#60
I look forward to reading "Comments Tension" Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic You have absolutely nothing to be concerned about your comments. QUALITY not quantityquantityquantityquantityquantityquantityquantityquantityquantity !

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #53

#57
the great news is that you are back Sara Jacobovici. Thank you so much for your encouraging words.. I have a problem with commenters on beBee. I call it The Comments Tension. I have figured out four more ideas to bild on this buzz and same from my already published following buzz. Now you inspire me with one more idea. Which one to start with? I have a sweet tension. Thank you for sharing the buzz as well.

Sara Jacobovici

منذ 6 سنوات #52

#55
Thank you so much for your kind words Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee and for your invaluable engagement.

Sara Jacobovici

منذ 6 سنوات #51

It makes a lot of sense to read this buzz written by Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee.

Sara Jacobovici

منذ 6 سنوات #50

I just came up for air Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee. I first read your engaging and important buzz and then the dynamic discussion you inspired. An important discussion of what "makes sense" when we try to get our message across. I am looking forward to more. Thank you Dr. Ali.

Sara Jacobovici

منذ 6 سنوات #49

I just came up for air Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee. I first read your engaging and important buzz and then the dynamic discussion you inspired. An important discussion of what "makes sense" when we try to get our message across. I am looking forward to more. Thank you Dr. Ali.

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #48

#53
happy new year Sara Jacobovici. Great to see you engaged again. Your presence is truly needed by all of your readers.

Sara Jacobovici

منذ 6 سنوات #47

#36
Well said Louise Smith, "I try to find meaningful ways to use them." This is the basis of all the senses. We make "sense" of it all by attaching meaning to the sensory experience.

Sara Jacobovici

منذ 6 سنوات #46

#26
Relieved to hear Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee!!

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #45

#51
thank you dear Joyce \ud83d\udc1d Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee. I hopre 2018 will be a year of joy and success for ykou and family. I need to check if you published during my travel over the last two weeks.

Joyce 🐝 Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee

منذ 6 سنوات #44

Certainly another person I have missed. Your cerebral adventures have been lacking in my life. Here's to a happy return for me and a speedy recovery for you.

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #43

#47
thank you dear Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic. I wish you and your family a truly joyous new year.

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #42

#46
I wish you the same Jean and I hope 2018 will be filled with your great news.

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #41

#45
thank you dear . Again you bring a point thatneeds attention. I used videos and interactive diagrams in my last workshop. I can tell you that over the three days of the workshop attendees opted to not take breaks. I find visuals very engaging as well.so the timing of David Sibbet's book is. Great. David amazed me with the way he devoloped visual meeting. His effort is truly commendable.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

منذ 6 سنوات #40

Dear Ali, to comment on your posts is always challenging for me partly because of other fellow commenters and their elaborated comments on your every post. Compared to them my comments look like I'm short of words. :-) In my work, I often use data visualisation as an excellent way to make information more understandable while presenting it to people who are not familiar with engineering. I would say that graphs and charts speak much louder than dry numbers. :) In this post, you explain visualisation of textual information that I use in PowerPoint presentations, but in a much simpler way than you. Your SlideShare presentations on LinkedIn are great examples of text visualisation. Those visuals are not images that show the meaning of words, as in Visual Dictionary. They are more like visual metaphors. Very powerful. Because I'm a visual person, I would also say: Go visual whenever it's possible.

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #39

#42
thank you Joanne. I am fully OK now.

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #38

#41
great comment Joanne Gardocki. You bring new perspectives. One that captured my mind is "Visuals may bridge language barriers and speak directly to the right brain creating common ground more quickly". Resesrch findings are consistent with what you say. Frsctals were only realized when they were produced graphically. As for your other points that visuals msy pass unnoticed I say you are again spot on. There are studies that the wrong selection of graph types may lead even to the distortion of information. On a personal level I say "if you understand a topic then you may show it by an image". It is challenging, but can be done. In fact, I am planning to discuss this issue in my next buzz. I am grateful for all your kind words.

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #37

#39
I couldn't agree more with you Harvey Lloyd. As I am preparing Part 2 on text visualization I can tell you you are spot on. For example, what we call a sunburst graph will not be processed in our mind the same way if we present the same information in a tree map. You remind me of metaphors, which for me are mental images. If I use a different metaphor for the same topic, say leadership, I get different outcomes. May I call this experimental imaging? You bring very important points that I shall incorporate in my next buzz.

Harvey Lloyd

منذ 6 سنوات #36

Great read you are back. Sorry to hear about the fall, hope all is well now. If i could add some cautionary thoughts with visual. A large part of our brain is developed to manage not only what we perceive we see but many elements of the visual we don't perceive. The brain is constantly looking, comparing and holding/discarding information from the eyes. I learned that we have a small memory chip where information is processed quickly for relevance and is a very short conveyor belt. Remembering what was visualized is a matter of making sure that folks receive what was visualized from several vantage points. Also the focus will be important as if the visual is over stimulating the brain will start to discard unrelated material, which may be important. Being visual is an important aspect to of engaging the whole person and not allowing their mind to form the visual completely on its own. Keep your points focused and not to broad, always allow for a take away statement. A take away statement is the visual and its attached auditory statement of about what was presented. The comments on emojis are appropriate and delineate the short conveyor of thinking and conversing. The meeting visuals need to go beyond that short conveyor memory and plant deep seeds of thought that can flourish within the participants. The hardest lesson i had to learn was to plant seeds and not whole trees. With visuals we can plant a seed with expectations of nurturing with more visuals and a eventual harvest.

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #35

#35
I understand your concerns. I agree again that text visualization aims at much higher levels than using emoji for simple uses. Text visualization build clusters of relevance, of ideas, of future changes and is a source of knowledge that helps us in decision-making. Reading 500 pages of text is less rewarding than visualizing the text in one visual page.

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #34

#36
you use emjoys purposefully and that makes a marked difference Louise Smith

Louise Smith

منذ 6 سنوات #33

#33
I used to hate emojis but now I try to find meaningful ways to use them. I think they can help establish a personal brand if a person uses the same ones in the same way I also like the challenge of writing a message without text just using emojis like early writing or hieroglyphics !

CityVP Manjit

منذ 6 سنوات #32

#34
This is visualization of emoji's being used in real time http://emojitracker.com/ those that use text visualization for smart purposes have visual smarts, those that are a statistical contributor to emojitracker are visually enchanted. Unless you cannot click this link due to the epilepsy warning, emojitracker provides a visualization of people using emoji's in real-time. If ever there was something that resembled the numbers used in the Matrix, this would be it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOg9IcxuV2g I don't equate text visualization with digital conversations that require us to turn emotions into emoji's - especially when it is my own kids sending those emoji's to each other when they live in the same house ! Visual language that enhances communication and understanding is one thing, but to create surrogate versions of what would otherwise be face-to-face conversation - that is only helpful to digital dictators who make their financial returns from fueling digital addictive behaviour. Those technologists who want to make a profit without a conscience or duty of care to the people they are serving can do whatever they want and make as much money as they want. I won't begrudge a profit, but I will be much less if I don't explore my own intuitive response. I don't pretend to be a Jedi when I know a Sith mindset is present. It is what it is.

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #31

As I am diving deeper in text visualization I have one option- that is agree with your comment CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit. Text visualization has uncovered many new applications. To equate them witg emjoys and simple graphics is unfair. Soon I shall share your findings. Text visualization with a strategy can conver text to information, then knowledge. Diving deeper shall reveal the great potential for creative approaches and ideas. I am surprised by the strides text visualization has made recently that it is becoming a science on its own.

CityVP Manjit

منذ 6 سنوات #30

One aspect of "go visual" which I keep distinct from "visual smarts" is the rise of emojis, stickers and badges. Visuals like emojis make visual communication easier, and so do stickers on cell phones, and now there is the rise of badges which have nothing to do with faster conversations on the mobile, but showcasing qualifications, awards and distinctions online. This trend simply adds to the "social|" exchange which I have addressed here https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/where-my-digital-badge-cityvp-manjit/ so not only are we shortening our messages even further, but a part of our future personal brand will identified by professional badges, and that is why I don't classify this as being visual smarts but a part of as visual entrancement. - and I call it entrancement because we are outsourcing our emotional context into digital symbols. Emotions IMHO are best learned and developed through real world felt experiences and not as digital identity. he irony here is that in regards of visual smarts, I am out of touch with the current digital zeitgeist. I ask myself what is visually smart about technologists shortening our attention and reducing conversation to an exchange of cartoonish pictures. This is the visual future :-)

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #29

#30
Yes, I am basically visual and smell oriented. As I said in my previous comment dear Louise Smith I want now to delve into more depth to explore your two great comments. They are worthy. I can't thank you enough.

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #28

#29
This is a great comment Louise Smith. It is really and eye-opener.In particular, your writing "My dominant childhood memories are sounds, tastes and smells". I wrote once a buzz on the neglected senses and your taste and smell senses are of particular importance. I wish you would share your experiences here for they seem to be uncommon. I am expanding on text visualization. I can tell you I am going into deep waters. So much has developed since then that I find it very challenging to summarize the new trends. I shall keep trying because this is truly becoming a baffling topic. The challenge you impose on me is how to visualize smells and tastes. May be we need a classifier to separate these senses from other ones. You truly keep my mind busy now.

Louise Smith

منذ 6 سنوات #27

In counselling, therapies use different senses - tapping and animal therapy are physical, meditation is auditory, hypnosis uses visualisations and metaphors, aromatherapy uses smell, apps use a combination of visual and auditory, art, music, singing and dance are multisensual. How about you? Do you know your sensory preferences?

Louise Smith

منذ 6 سنوات #26

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee I hope your your workshop was truly memorable. What picture did you have of it afterwards? What about the participants? People have their own preferences with most having visual as the dominant sense. There are 5 senses to be accessed to cystalise learning. Most people have a dominant one. But for young children learning, it is better to use a composite of these or use each of them in a succinctly identifable way in activities for wholistic learning. Sand and water play, construction using different shaped blocks, finger painting, play dough, plasticine or clay work, cooking, gardening - all these are great multisensual learning activities. My dominant sense is auditory but visual is very close. I studied and taught Japanese which has a need for strong visual and auditory senses. I don't have a photographic memory but when studying I could often remember the position of the answer text on the page. I am also very good at remembering people's faces over a long period of time. I am also good at recognising peope's voices and environmental sounds without visual cues. I get sensory overload if I spend too long in a large shopping centre from visual overstimulation. I dislike the sounds of air conditioning, motorbikes, car, smoke and house alarms, high pitched screaming, children tantruming, cats fighting and fingernails on the balckboard. I usually dislike food according to texture then taste. There are many Japanese foods I can't eat simply due to their texture. I like soba noodles but I dislike oily, fat, soft,slippery udon noodles. My dominant childhood memories are sounds, tastes and smells.

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #25

#27
#27 I always enjoy your feedback dear Savvy Raj. Your comment excites me for it has a life experience. I wish you would share your experiences based on your lines "In moments of setback, there are a few things that guide you back on track... One of which had been the visual cues..". You have a great idea for a very promising buzz. I can "smell" it.

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #24

#25
I am now completely fit. Thank you Manjit.

CityVP Manjit

منذ 6 سنوات #23

#23
I hope also the eye injury is healing well

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #22

#17
Dear CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit- I have just commented on your great buzz. I invite all readers of this buzz to also read the integrated buzz of Manjit. Here is the link again: https://www.bebee.com/producer/@cityvp/visual-smarts

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #21

I want to thank you dear Savvy Raj for sharing the buzz. I take this opportunity to wish you a happy new year. I have been cut off for more than two weeks from writing and commenting because mostly I was engaged in a business workshop. I look forward to reading your buzzes again.

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #20

#21
Thank you Debesh Choudhury for sharing your mind. I am greatly interested in reading your contributions on same topic. I hope you would share the links here. As I plan to cover this topic in more buzzes I shall be happy to refer to your work in my future buzzes. Thank you

Debesh Choudhury

منذ 6 سنوات #19

Excellent topic Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee .. "Go Visual" matches my thinking as I am currently going with all visual research projects. I feel quite at home with the visuals. I wrote many blogs those were based on visual technologies. In fact visual interfaces rule the world. But the toughest job is to present something visually which are otherwise invisible. Can we do that?

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #18

#19
dear David Navarro L\u00f3pez- first let me wish you and your loved ones a happy new year. I agree with your comment. Our minds makes more sense of images than words. We need to develop the skills of turning text to images. I have the habit now not to copyvand paste a text. Instead I take a screenshot of the text as an image to which I add my thoughts. I find this practice beneficial. If I forget the name of a person I might never remember him till I see an image of him/her.

David Navarro López

منذ 6 سنوات #17

Dear Ali, you know I entirely agree with your point here, as I am a fan of visual storytelling, and you have seen already some writings I have done according to it. Reading a text is boring for the mind, as the first thing we do is convert it into an image, if we want to store it for later use. It is as well a great tool to store it in our memory avoiding our brain teases us "blurring" or "misunderstanding" the core message, because that is what our brain does to us: interpreting what it sees, which many times can be quite different to what it was said, and randomly store it in a hidden drawer to be discarded later if the "image" of the idea is not exciting enough.

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #16

#17
thank you dear CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit for tagging me. I have already read and shared your great buzz. I am honored to be mentioned in it. I need to read the buzz again before commenting on it later this morning.

CityVP Manjit

منذ 6 سنوات #15

My Paradox Wisdom buzz to "Go Visual" has been posted https://www.bebee.com/producer/@cityvp/visual-smarts cc: Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #14

#15
Thank you for your support and example Franci\ud83d\udc1dEugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador. Experience talks and your experience validates the buzz. I also thank you for sharing the buzz.

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #13

#11
You are full of wisdom (even though you express your points of view with sarcasm) sometimes to alleviate the bitterness of facts. Yes, our senses feed our minds. SOme people have a camerav attached to their words as you do. Other people use metaphors to make their points more visual. When we lose the sense of sight, we may develop other senses. Or, as dragonflies do, they have the ability to see around at 360 degrees. We were brought to life to explore it. We need open minds and eyes.

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #12

#12
Thank you John Rylance for you are truly a mind reader. Yes, I actually wanted to cut the picture and keep the eyes only for the same reasons you mentioned. I have mentioned the dragonfly-like leaders in my slideshare presentation: http://www.slideshare.net/hudali15/leadership-in-the-perfume-bottle Yes, are are spot on with your lovely comment

John Rylance

منذ 6 سنوات #11

Ali did you realise how apt the picture of the fly was to your piece. Particularly the eyes made up of thousands of visual receptors, which give it virtually 360 degree sight, which fits in nicely with dictionary use of mini images to describe words.

Lisa Vanderburg

منذ 6 سنوات #10

Okay. Then, my wonderful man who is WAY TOO FAST for me, lemme offer you something else: darkness. My father would always say 'visualize it, and it happens'. It was his Catholic way of getting around faith, but it worked for him! Alas his offspring have an entirely different caste: 'visualize it [as being something you do WELL], and it's the kiss of death' ....just thought I'd chuck that in. Pascal Derrien mentioned his blind friend and her outlook (fantabulous, BTW). You are talking about presentations to large groups of corporate people doing what they need to learn (simplistic, I know). What happens if you take the visual out of it? e.g. Blind it. Could you use the other senses efficiently? Admittedly, it is way more expedient to use visual aids (on your level), but what else, of our multiple senses could be utilized without turning your conference rooms into a kindergarten? For such an amazing and unmatched organ, the brain lives in darkness.....

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #9

#8
I could not wait for your Part 2 comment because I want to salute your spirit and highlighting a great point my dear Lisa Vanderburg. We know the value of vision mostly, goodness no, if we become blind. We need to re-open our eyes that visuals are the way to go.

Lisa Vanderburg

منذ 6 سنوات #8

#4
Please tag me too, CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit!

Lisa Vanderburg

منذ 6 سنوات #7

A gzillion points like, 'you could shoot you eye out' (Americanism for OUCH). So wonderful to see you back in the saddle, dear Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee! Visuals are the way to go on so many levels; 1. Kindergarten: it's how we capture our kid's attention. 2. BLINDNESS: a novel by Portuguese author José Saramago. Harrowing yet a correct leveller of humanity I think. 3. I did a 5-part series on Blindness on LI that explored the science behind restorative sight. Now quite possible for those that have never seen, but Pixium Vision did do this for Macular degeneration and some other conditions. Unlike Deep Brain Stimulation my hubby had for his PD, patients have to be re-trained how to 'visualize'. Curious? They begin to reinterpret the chip's image at the back of their visual field in the brain, but they do it pretty quick! 5. Subliminal messaging; I remember when it was considered a base advertising trick and that's it. But this is the eye-candy we all know works in the right settings. SO good to read you again! Haven't finished......

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #6

Thank you dear Yolanda \u00c1vila - Kaizen Proyectos for the great comment and link. I focused here on text visualization. As for data visualization, simulation and mining I opted to leave them out for a future buzz. Yes, and I watched the TED Talk of David, but I am thankful for you for the great reminder. I tend to forget names and hence your reminder is timely.

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #5

#4
Please tag me when you publish CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit. I am so glad this buzz triggers your attention to the important topic of visualization. I look forward very much to your contribution.

CityVP Manjit

منذ 6 سنوات #4

My frustration is not with other people, because we do live in a visual age and there is a greater appreciation of the visual, but like most people the effort to be action-centered around the visual can be far greater. That being said I am far beyond the average soul when it comes to visual recognition, but that should not blindside me from going visual. While I have meant to write a couple of buzzes in the last few weeks as a practical wisdom, this one I should begin to write, even as early as later today.

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #3

Thank you dear friend Laurent Boscherini for your sharing of the buzz. I look forward to meeting with you somewhere in the MENA Region.

Ali Anani

منذ 6 سنوات #2

#1
This is a step up on the ladder

Pascal Derrien

منذ 6 سنوات #1

One of my friends is a blind marathoner she keeps telling me she is not visual but visionary.... :-)

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