Ideas Are Like Dancing Pendulums

Ideas Are Like Dancing Pendulums

My previous buzz on "Common Sense that makes no sense" produced a huge array of comments of varying senses. Three comments by the brainy bees of CityVP Manjit, Harvey Lloyd and Deb Lang in the chronological order urged me to write this buzz. The ideas may seem distant from each other, but they evoked an amazing connectivity in my mind. I am sharing my thoughts here.

Harvey wrote in his comment "There is no proof required that your publications are most alive other than the common sense to see the kind of minds that are discussing these publications right here.
What I look at here is not publication but this solitary quote and that brings to question whether the pendulum metaphor serves the realities of the 21st Century, a century that Carl Jung never saw. What the pendulum metaphor serves is the realities of the 20th Century that continue to reside in our century - which are the swings between extremes".

In fact, what Carl Jung never saw was also how connected pendulums may produce chaotic movement that may hide within some order. A pendulum by itself may behave in an orderly fashion. Linear thinking would extend this movement to connected pendulums. However; life is different as the connected pendulums produce varying shapes that go beyond our logical thinking. For every cause there is an equal effect. For the novice thinker he/she shall see the resulting movement as an error or fault in the experimental design or that pendulums are wrongly manufactured. They see the "noise" in the movement and discard it as an anomaly.


This tendency to ignore noise and not give it fresh perspectives has blinded us for long times from advancing our knowledge. We also lacked the sense a new meaning for such unwanted "noises". We lost our sense of hearing the noise. Cricket can hear using their legs. The cricket's front legs have a thin membrane that moves with the vibration of the sound. We lack the membrane to realize that the noisy sound is there to awaken us to new realities. Our lack of common sense deprived us from developing our senses to extraordinary ones; even more to deprive us of our basic sense of hearing.

Bats navigate through by using noisy sounds in what we know as echolocation. We make noises, but we lack the sense to use them to echolocate our wrong positioning, our lack of connecting senses to what knowledge we have and therefore misuse what we know. Instead of turning data that make a noise we tend to discard them. We failed to use the sound for echolocation. We end up not knowing where we stand or making use of the noise we generate. We combine pendulums and we hear the noise, but fail to understand that new thinking is needed. CityVP Manjit expressed this well in his comment by writing " …that alternative then can inform my learning journey because whereas common sense is a group dynamic, the alternative at the individual level becomes extraordinary sense. That journey of focusing on extraordinary sense distances me from common sense. Harvey Lloyd elaborated more in his comment " critical thinking and logic have their place when we consider our own well being and inner monologue. Short of being independently wealthy and living in the wilderness, the value of our critical thinking will need to manifest itself within the community in which we live. In this phase is where our knowledge is tested against the end game where results are expected.To recognise this process of logic relieves the strain of being right and wrong. Gaining knowledge is an expansive process that only after we consolidate our thoughts and beliefs might we test it in public. This public test is where wisdom is born. The theory that is always in play is each of us is within an end game. Whether social, knowledge gathering or executing around goals. Critical thinking will always be a part of the process but not the whole".

Further Elaboration came later from the comment of Deb Lange. She wrote "Dear @Ali Anani I sense we can be comfortable with uncertainty when we are grounded from within. Like the eye of the storm - no matter what is happening around us we can sense a still centre. I have had a very unsettled life post mid life and I often would say, my home is within me. That is where I felt secure - within my body grounded and connected to the things I value. So no matter what happens on the outside I have my inner safety". This comment reminded me of the trout. They use the complexity or noisy waters to their advantage. The two illustrations below explain what I mean. They use the center of the vortex to navigate easily because trout have extraordinary senses. This explains why the comment of Deb is extraordinarily sensible.

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Ideas are like dancing pendulums- they dance together to form a complex pattern. Complexity requires extraordinary senses and, unfortunately, we don't listen enough to the sound of our senses.


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David Navarro LΓ³pez

David Navarro LΓ³pez

4 years ago #31

Done. https://www.bebee.com/producer/@david-navarro-lopez/mastering-our-chaotic-pendulum-minds

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#37
As the human mind is more complex, I expect the answer is yes to your question dear David Navarro L\u00f3pez

David Navarro LΓ³pez

David Navarro LΓ³pez

4 years ago #29

I believe human mind is much more chaotic than a pendulum movement. Still ruminating....

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#34
I fully agree with you and the sad situation we are in dear Steve Brady. The world need minds of your quality to correct its path. I mean it 100%.

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #27

#30
You often incorporate layers of thoughts into one comment Harvey Lloyd said it better when he wrote that he "can expand on each one of them in a buzz". Agreed! The one that stands out for me that I need to think more about is, "My word for the duality is cognitive dissonance." Thanks Harvey.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

4 years ago #26

#31
I am humbled by your allowance of me to share your journey of exploration. Thank you.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#30
You do have a unique way f expressing your valuable points of view Harvey Lloyd. I can expand on each one of them in a buzz. One example is your writing "When work is approached differently than home, in our existence, then at each we establish a value crisis. This presents us with either using coping mechanisms or the duality of existence". Love the way your expressed the conflicts we face and their complexity in such an elegant manner. Thank you for your kind words and I am not less moved by your thinking.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

4 years ago #24

#27
Anne Thornley-Brown thanks for the mention and your thoughts. Although the concepts of setting aside time for the collection of our frayed synapse is needed, the need for this seems to be borne in the separation of work and home. I personally struggle with this concept. In history existence (Work, Family,learning,Play) were a totality of our existence. Along came the 60's and we started the journey of separating home and work. Ali Anani has elaborated on this concept) in lieu of the duality (Which Sara and Ali have both written and commented extensively) My word for the duality is cognitive dissonance. When work is approached differently than home, in our existence, then at each we establish a value crisis. This presents us with either using coping mechanisms or the duality of existence. Facing chaos with either of these modes in mind creates an even more challenging journey.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#27
As soon as I finished my response to your first comment Anne Thornley-Brown, I felt my head turning with surprise having finished reading your first comment. This in an incredibly comment with its "brainy power". I am bewildered by your comment not only because of its depth, but because it went deep in....guess what? By your writing "One of the implications is that organizations need to create quiet spaces of calm for reflection". I am truly too stunned to focus on writing this comment. I am currently preparing a new post with the initial title one of of the following titles. These are" Pockets of Time, Time Lens or Time Icw. ene theme that I plan to focus on is having pockets of time to reflect and why using a metaphor from nature. I should publish it within 48 hours...only if I recover from my "spinning state" I am in now because of your comment. I am dedicating the buzz to you Anne. I feel we should have met long times ago.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#26
Dear Anne Thornley-Brown- it is early morning here. To wake up and read your comments filled me with joy with the simultaneity of feeling speechless. We started exchanging comments only recently, but I spotted your "intellectual Power". Therefore I feel extremely humbled by your compliments. I hope the two professors would join the discussions. I appreciate your words and I feel the burden to keep up with your expectations. I am too "will have to tie on my running shoes really tightly" as well. But challenges make us both better.

Anne 🐝 Thornley-Brown, MBA

There is so much of value here. I find the concepts of "the eye of the storm" and "my home is within me" shared by you, Harvey Lloyd intriguing. Thes concepts are particularly relevant to fast-paced organizations that are undergoing constant change. One of the implications is that organizations need to create quiet spaces of calm for reflection. These can be actual physical spaces within the office or envelopes of time that are earmarked as quiet time. The "quiet hour" should be an envelope of time for a couple of hours after lunch when employees book no meetings and phones go through to voice mail. This can be once a week, a couple of times a week or a literal hour every day after lunch. I think of it as an oasis, a place of calm and growth in the midst of turbulence. If you have ever visited the waterfall gardens at the Sheraton Centre Hotel in downtown Toronto, that is exactly what I envision both physically and metaphorically. From these quiet spaces employees can pause, reflect, and emerge refreshed with ideas to resolve some of the challenges they are facing or pressing organizational issues. After all "oasis" is, first and foremost, a state of mind and being. I will search for examples of organizations that are already doing this. If can think of examples, please share them.

Anne 🐝 Thornley-Brown, MBA

Ali Anani , I take my hat off to you. It is not often I run into individuals who have brain power that exceeds my own. I say that not to sound arrogant but just to reflect the reality that there are few deep thinkers. I will have to tie on my running shoes really tightly to even have a chance of keeping up with you. I will re-read your post and follow your posts on an on-going basis and weigh in when I have something intelligent to add to the conversation. I know a brilliant PhD University Professor who is now retired. She is not on social media very often but I will try to entice her over here. DezsΓΆ Joseph HorvΓ‘th, Dean of Schulich Business School at York University would also be someone who could participate in your discussions as an equal. I will also try to entice him to join us here. Well done. I know where to come when I am looking for intellectual stimulation.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#23
I agree dear CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit and I am in agreement with your writing "but the chaotic pendulum for me represents the transformation possible in our own individual learning patterns - informed by emergent and unpredictable nature of future networks we need to be ready for and anticipate the arrival of". I didn't want to complicate the image. In fact, what kind of pendulum we add, what idea pendulum is attached to other idea pendulum(s)? I may write later a buzz on this topic.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

4 years ago #18

#20
I would rather say that #19 represents chaotic pendulums, of which complexity thinking is one form of thinking, it is the paradoxical and contradictory forms of thinking that once assembled in one's own mind add new emergent pendulums. I actually prefer the image of the chaotic pendulum in the video - that represents a major challenge of learning. To show dancing pendulums then this youtube video is more appropriate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVkdfJ9PkRQ but the thing I like about the chaotic pendulums is that this motion can only be demonstrated through a computer simulation - and thus exemplifies the arrival of network intelligence. For the most part getting to a dancing pendulum pattern can describe what we discuss on existing dialogue exchanges at the group level, but the chaotic pendulum for me represents the transformation possible in our own individual learning patterns - that speak to the emergent and unpredictable nature of future networks we should be mindfully anticipating and preparing for.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

4 years ago #17

#20
I would rather say that #19 represents chaotic pendulums, of which complexity thinking is one form of thinking, it is the paradoxical and contradictory forms of thinking that once assembled in one's own mind add new emergent pendulums. I actually prefer the image of the chaotic pendulum in the video - that represents a major challenge of learning. To show dancing pendulums then the follwoing youtube video is more appropriate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVkdfJ9PkRQ but the thing I like about the chaotic pendulums is that this motion can only be demonstrated through a computer simulation - and thus exemplifies the arrival of network intelligence. For the most part getting to a dancing pendulum pattern as shown in the second paragraph video can describe what we discuss on existing dialogue exchanges at the group level, but the chaotic pendulum for me represents the transformation possible in our own individual learning patterns - informed by emergent and unpredictable nature of future networks we need to be ready for and anticipate the arrival of.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

4 years ago #16

#20
I would rather say that #19 represents chaotic pendulums, of which complexity thinking is one form of thinking, it is the paradoxical and contradictory forms of thinking that once assembled in one's own mind add new emergent pendulums. I actually prefer the image of the chaotic pendulum in the video - that represents a major challenge of learning. To show dancing pendulums than this youtube video is more appropriate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVkdfJ9PkRQ but the thing I like about the chaotic pendulums is that this motion can only be demonstrated through a computer simulation - and thus exemplifies the arrival of network intelligence. For the most part getting to a dancing pendulum pattern can describe what we discuss on existing dialogue exchanges at the group level, but the chaotic pendulum for me represents the transformation possible in our own individual learning patterns - that speak to the emergent and unpredictable nature of future networks.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Upon a message from a reader I decided to change the background image to reflect more on the title of the buzz.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#19
It is complexity thinking what you wrote dear CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit "Selling a dream means you demonstrate humanness. Without some semblance of humanity, nobody believes you. That is why you are on a higher level of thinking". Yes, it is at this level new thinking and ideas shall emerge.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

4 years ago #13

#4
Dear Harvey, one of the big errors I made is assuming that systems thinking is self-evident and so I need to level set to see how people view chaos and appreciate their psychological reaction to chaos. The interesting thing for me is beyond embracing an integrated view of relationships and processes, there is also thinking. With critical thinking noise is admonished, we want people to get to the point and make an argument, and it is the predominant way university education is predicated on. Yet when we step into exposure of creative thinking, then noise is welcomed, it is not a distraction but a source to build on, in creative thinking or improv, the weakest idea or the craziest notion is kept alive by the group and gets built on. So it is that I can argue against noise using a critical thinking perspective and joyfully sing its praises using a creative thinking perspective. In both of these forms of thinking is where I next need to progress. To date I have focused predominantly on reflective thinking and it is going to be a challenge to integrate this triangulated approach to thinking personally for me - but it is that extra level thinking that adds one new pendulum and when I add two I have no idea how that chaotic pendulum is likely to swing - I can only knuckle down and continue on my learning journey and keep spelling out that I am engaging this as learning.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#17
Dear Sara Jacobovici- you wrote "You are strongly reminding us that the community may be virtual but the members are real". I have just sent a message to you and BEFORE reading this comment. I expressed exactly the same feelings. I thank you for your support and you have been a great partner in my writing journey. Thank you.

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #11

Sorry for joining the conversation so late (I know...time is relative...I feel like it's been a very long time) Ali Anani. Your follow up buzz is continuing to expand the ideas presented in the buzzes and comments, both in and out of the box. You are putting back the human sense of it all into our new virtual community. You are strongly reminding us that the community may be virtual but the members are real.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#15
thank you debasish majumder for asking. I didn't say we evolved from fish. I said that trouts use the vortices to their advantage to swim with minimum efforts. This is a proven scientifically. Our senses tell us not to be in the center of the vortices, fish tell us that we can use vertices to our advantage. Thank you again for asking.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#11
You extracted key points from the buzz dear Tausif Mundrawala and elaborated wonderfully on them. Thank you.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#9
Yes, and spot on you are CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit. A famous Arab poet said "I read lots of poems and only to forget them. What he meant is that he enriches his heart with poems, but he remains authentic and so he forgets them. I agree entirely with you regarding the reference to the "hyperthymestic syndrome"

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

4 years ago #7

The chaotic pendulum free us from the tyranny of the mechanical and linear pendulum. This is where I had a problem with Jung's quote because it retains dualistic qualities, but the chaotic pendulum as depicted in the video fosters diversity. If life feels like groundhog day or the year flashes by us, then we are more likely engaged in many repetitive patterns, and why should our mind remember the same experiences, unless we are stricken with an ailment of remembering everything. A memory condition called "hyperthymestic syndrome" The Woman Who Could Not Forget https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoxsMMV538U Remembering everything is not a blessing for Jill Price. Sensory overload is just as significant as sensory deprivation.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#6
I was responding to your comment dear siraj shaik in the meantime you were writing your comment. I greatly appreciate your kind words and I look forward to reading your sens(ible) comments here and there.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#3
I am still reading the buzz of dear CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit for highlighting the buzz of Manjit.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#4
Dear Harvey Lloyd- This is a fascinating comment. You summed up the buzz wonderfully. Your statement here "Our businesses always struggled until we realized we were fighting chaos instead of embracing and learning to dance within it". You said it perfectly well and it is mu nugget of wisdom for the day.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

4 years ago #3

"This tendency to ignore noise and not give it fresh perspectives has blinded us for long times from advancing our knowledge." I would guess that as we evolve into an evermore sophisticated society we see chaos as unnatural and something that needs to be repaired. Our businesses always struggled until we realized we were fighting chaos instead of embracing and learning to dance within it. I would venture to say as we look at the rise and fall of civilizations we can see how chaos has been addressed. We generally failed in history at the point we thought we were above the chaos. Your post here illustrates our need to embrace the pendulum and how it draws before us. Like the core of a storm reference by Deb\ud83d\udc1d Lange we can still be within the storm and be centered. You are either fixing the world or living.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

To my complete surprise, CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit published a buzz on this buzz at the same time I published this buzz in response to one of his comments here. The buzz of Manjit can be read here: https://www.bebee.com/producer/@cityvp/extraordinary-sense If one thing I may say this is a the proof that ideas are like dancing pendulums.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Deb\ud83d\udc1d Lange- please know that you are mentioned in this buzz.

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