Migration of Ideas
One way of solving a problem is knowing its causes. This need is challenging as it is getting harder to know the underlying cause of a problem. Moving from simple to complicated, complex and chaotic lives bring problems to identify the initial cause of the problem.
Let us consider the famous example below.
For Want of a Nail
For want of a nail the shoe was lost.
For want of a shoe the horse was lost.
For want of a horse the soldier was lost
For the want of a soldier the message was lost.
For the want of a message the battle was lost.
For the want of a battle the country was lost.
Who would imagine that the loss of a nail would lead to the loss of a country?
Now, let me extend the discussion to what happens after the loss of a country. Many people will flee for their lives to other countries and a new problem emerges. It is the immigrants’ problem and the many new sub-problems it creates.
This issue may get come complex and chaotic if we consider what happened after losing the country in the above example. People living there will lead a chaotic life. Some of them seeking survival will flee home seeking survival and migrate to another country.
It occurred to me that ideas don’t behave differently. They feel their loss at home and try to migrate seeking survival. After-all they are living ideas that have their survival issue.
Ali Anani, PhD
The causes and effects on mass migration of people has been well-researched. This is a complex issue. Not only the loss of a country leads to chaos, but also the effects complex and chaotic too.
To explain this complexity let me show by example. I simplified it to keep the issue easy to understand. The initial effect of people migrating to a new land, among others, are loss of productivity and adaptation time may take a long while. These two factors reinforce each other. The image below explains what I mean.
We see that both factors eventually lead to the initial low social acceptance of immigrants. People take time to adapt to change and they don’t accept the new culture they moved into. The original population seeing the segregation of immigrants lead to resist them and accept them. The immigrants find it increasingly difficult to merge in the new society. Likewise; the productivity of immigrants falls drastically at the beginning because people take a minimum of six months to adapt to the new culture. Lowered productivity leads to more feelings of inferiority and social acceptance goes down. This build feeling of anxiety, and the need for hospitalization. Increased costs of hospitalization increase the medical costs for the original population and this fuel reducing accepting the immigrants. This initially builds up to the rapid escalation of social rejection and the immigrants lose more of their productivity and motivation to work. The vicious circle builds up.
Does the immigration of ideas suffer from the same fate as those experienced by immigrants? It seems to me they are based on the comparison table below.
This is a great challenge for dealing with complex effects and interacting causes makes identifying the root of a problem much harder. Likewise; is identifying the root cause of ideas and how they cross our minds. Do ideas realization introduce a new cause for people to migrate? My answer is yes.
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Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #33
#34 #35 Pascal Derrien. I invite you to share your thoughts.
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #32
Great comment dear Harvey Lloyd. You got me shivering with your surprising synchronicity. I am currently drafting a buzz titled "The Fall of Organizations and People- Common Threads". Do we look for the nail of falling, or the wholeness of the issue? Why Fortune's listed companies fall after reaching certain age and why people probability of falling increases? What are the common threads? I am trying to provide new perspectives in the forthcoming buzz and your comment here shall be of great help in completing the buzz.
Harvey Lloyd
منذ 5 سنوات #31
Harvey Lloyd
منذ 5 سنوات #30
Although i agree in part about some of the points you make, i could not help but see the irony in your comparisons. "white European man", "Indigenous People", "everyone"(has ideas), all have the group identity idea as portrayed in media the world and by both sides. Your point is not lost on me and agree wholeheartedly. The irony is the difficulty in expressing any idea that does not include group identity when making points about humanity. The interpretation of group identity is where i fall off the charts. Europeans left for the new world with hopes and dreams and it was inevitable as procreation and healthcare would increase populations. Could we have experienced this with a little humility, for sure. It seems within each generation there are those who would expand humanity and those who would exploit it. (Now i am doing the same thing.) This is the challenge of those who focus on humanity. Meeting the challenges of those who wish to exploit. One persons exploitation is another's benevolence. So this task is not easy. The one true test of exploitation is outcome. Trial and error in humanity is tragic yet happens. Unfortunately we don't learn from trial and error in the humanities. Neither sword nor benevolence is always the answer. An unforeseen danger was not detected in WWI and led to WWII, this danger was detected by the US and did not repeat itself in Japan. Humanity prevailed.
CityVP Manjit
منذ 5 سنوات #29
Pascal, the greatest danger is perpetuating and reinforcing mythologies or base a negative inference on the most highlighted and visible stories and then erroneously extrapolate that to all new immigrants. There is a totalitarian approach to getting votes on the basis of the lowest common denominator - to create a "common enemy". This fiction ensures faster attention and create a fake problem that needs attention. The connection between ideas and people is in this reality and not the extrapolated conjecture we see playing out in populist politics. I cannot reconcile some US reporting https://www.healthexec.com/topics/healthcare-economics/immigrants-pay-more-private-insurance-premiums and including Canadian reporting https://thecic.org/en/popular-misconceptions-about-canadian-immigration-and-refugees/ with what we believe to be true and then paint a whole group of people who have been cast with what? An idea. Not a fact but an idea and we are not interested in boring facts, we are interested in perpetuating ideologies and such ideas are ultimately a cause and source for the inhumanity we witness. What did the white European man do to the indigenous people of the United States? How did that migration work - and so what we are really addressing here is the birthing of dangerous ideas. There is nothing much great about ideas - if ideas liberate our humanity, it is the liberation which is key, not the idea, everyone has ideas, not everyone has the practice, that makes humanity realizable.
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #28
I wish I could join you for coffee, Bill. Thank you for your appreciation.
Bill Stankiewicz
منذ 5 سنوات #27
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #26
True, and for a great culture to emerge the basic rules by which individuals interact must be right. Culture isn't planned for as it emerges. Like you said, "Social constructs emerge from necessity. They were necessary for the group they were designed. We call this culture". Unless we work on the individual there is little hope for improvement. What politicians do, in my opinion, is poison the constructs of the individual- and this is even more distorted by the media.
Harvey Lloyd
منذ 5 سنوات #25
27 If we look at Japanese culture we see an honor based social construct. There is honor in family linage, transactions and social interactions. Compare this to the USA where a level of honor exists but stops at the individaul within the group. The individaul will not sacrifice themselves if they feel they are “right”. What happens in a mass migration where these two social constructs evolve within social, proffesional and family structures? Americans saw the Japanese as stodgy and backwards, the Japanese saw Americans as flippant and no real understanding of humanity. Both of these constructs evolved within a vaccuum of existance. Enter the world of airplanes, telephones and internet. Each paradigm is exposed to the other. Add a dash of economic globalism and the countries now must adapt to each other. I am over simplyfing to make a point. Social constructs emerge from necessity. They were nesessary for the group they were designed. We call this culture. They worked. Now we see a new construct attempting to form under a global construct that is attempting to merge all of these ideas. Although a worthy construct, at the individaul level we find the tensions as these constructs merge.
Harvey Lloyd
منذ 5 سنوات #24
If we look at Japanese culture we see an boned based social construct. There is honer in family linage transactions and social interactions. Compare this to the USA where a level of honor exists but stops at the individaul within the group. The individaul will not sacrifice themselves if they feel they are “right”. What happens in a mass migration where these two social constructs evolve within social, proffesional and family structures? Americans saw the Japanese as stodgy and backwards, the Japanese saw Americans as flippant and no real understanding of humanity. Both of these constructs evolved within a vaccuum of existance. Enter the world of airplanes, telephones and internet. Each paradigm is exposed to the other. Add a dash of economic globalism and the countries now must adapt to each other. I am over simplyfing to make a point. Social constructs emerge from necessity. They were nesessary for the group they were designed. We call this culture. They worked. Now we see a new construct attempting to form under a global construct that is attempting to merge all of these ideas. Although a worthy construct, at the individaul level we find the tensions as these constructs merge.
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #23
I raise my hat for you Harvey Lloyd because you could see the link between this buzz and the one on tension. Yes, social tension results from mass migrations and what I discussed under tension and its growing complexity extends to the discussions here. I dare say that my buzzes without your comments will lose at least 80% of their values. I am deeply grateful to you.
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #22
Very interesting comment. Yes, opportunists find their way in chaos, but not in order. The immigration problem is in part a political one and some politicians find their way in chaos. I recall the reunion of Germany. Here, the nation is the same. Still; even though Germans had aspiration for this reunion, the process didn't go easily first. Some taxes were enforced on the rich, which made them unhappy. As for religion, it has been exploited not by politicians only, but also by even some religious groups. In chaos, anything may pass unnoticed. Some people find that the best for them to do is to carry many constructs. Depending on whom they are engaged with they express the thoughts that are acceptable to the group. They shall express different thoughts if they are with an opposing group. Mass migrations have caused some turmoils and instead of helping these to settle down those with self-interest agitated the situation further.
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #21
There is one line in your comment that reflects exactly the idea of this post. That is linking migration of ideas and migration of people. Your wisdom line Harvey Lloyd reads " Ideas that enhance the social construct are seen skeptically at first but eventually get adopted". people don't travel as bodies only, but they also carry with them their culture and ideas. If these ideas or constructs don't mix well they they form what I call "micro-climates" in the host country. This you expressed elegantly "Mass migrations large enough to also bring their own social construct within a micro area of a nation state ...". Not all constructs are miscible and takes time to homogenize them.
Harvey Lloyd
منذ 5 سنوات #20
Harvey Lloyd
منذ 5 سنوات #19
Harvey Lloyd
منذ 5 سنوات #18
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #17
This is a very considerable idea and is worthy of pursuing.
Lada 🏡 Prkic
منذ 5 سنوات #16
Maybe also to discuss one more aspect of the migration of ideas such as the migration of philosophical or even theological ideas and thoughts from one culture to another, independently of the migration of people.
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #15
Dear Lada- your comment reflects exactly one main issue I wanted to discuss in this buzz. The problems of people migrating and ideas migrating share common grounds> They both need to adapt and be agile to the new environment. As also you highlighted, many ideas have to experience forced migration seeking new potential to survive. In our complex world adaptation is a key factor for success.
Lada 🏡 Prkic
منذ 5 سنوات #14
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #13
You are right dear Clau Valerio because immigration is a complex problem and has many interacting parts. Studying such problems requires understanding the causes, which as not easy to find out. Moving to a new land imposes so many problems at first such as the capacity of the immigrants to cope with being away from home, new language and culture barriers, acceptance of the citizens of the host country and many more. The interaction of these causes may is not easy to imagine what effects they produce. Not all people have the same ability to face such issues equally and the outcomes shall differ.
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #12
Yes, you refer is different from forced immigration because it generates huge psychological problems. to the forced immigration by dictatorship and the associated problems it creates. This is a serious problem and you are right dear Jerry. There are self-chosen immigration' seeking better lives and better incomes. However; this is different from forced immigration whereby people find themselves expelled from their land and the main drive for them in this case shall be survival.. This is a basic needs oh humans and creates different and more acute problems than seeking voluntary migration to improve ones' life.
Jerry Fletcher
منذ 5 سنوات #11
Dr. Ali, The combination of global warming and the growth of Fascism is going ot continue to cause problems around the world. Until countries can come ot the oint that the rule of law precludes government by the richest and/or most powerful we will have continuing problems. The Syrian people are only the latest example of how a population can be decimated. In my view the current government of Syria should be outlawed and terminated by the nations of the world that agree that chemical weapons are not to be used...period. As to the acceptance of the old customs by younger refugees there are no hard and fast rules but time has shown in multiple countries and cultures that part of the newcomers will assimilate, intermarry and add to the culture of the new country while others will cling to the old culture and find a way to live along side the folks that preceded them. And so it goes.
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #10
I don't say this is an easy issue Franci\ud83d\udc1dEugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador. I wanted to highlight in this buzz the idea that when ideas migrate they suffer what humans suffer. This may lead to the killing of many ideas seeking asylum prematurely. I agree on your highlighted points and the immigration problem is only getting more difficult.
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #9
Thank you dear Debasish Majumder. Yes, this is a serious issue because people care more about losses in the early stages because of their lowered productivity. Financial losses are more important than humans . Imagine some people displaced because of a volcano or earth quake and how many people will understand their difficulties if they are located. Social acceptance if accompanied by immediate financial losses shall decline. This leads to lowered productivity of the displaced and again reducing their social acceptance being a financial burden. It is vicious circle my friend.
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #8
Jerry Fletcher- great comment and yes, it takes an adjusting period for immigrants to adjust and merge into the new cultures. This time lag can be expensive though. For example, recently a Syrian immigrant to Germany shot his daughter to death because she wouldn't oblige with the Syrian traditions. Sometimes, just leaving the established pattern may anger people to commit suicide. We have in Jordan almost one million Syrian refugees and their experience isn't different from what you described. The economic hardship makes the acceptance of immigrants a thorny issue.
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #7
Thank you my friend Edward Lewellen. They say nature abhors voids and so is our brains. Yes, as you said, they strive to fill the fill the voids. Sometimes, this filling is inline with you wrote "Unfortunately, if there isn't enough information to find an association to a belief we currently hold, our brain will associate things together just to avoid confusion" I really enjoyed your reasoning why we form the wrong ideas or tend to refuse new ones that don't fall in established patter. You convince me more the the migration of people and migration of ideas share same issues..
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #6
For the events called "trial and error" together with the sources that justify them, in the present they no longer have//would have origin and less continuity.
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #5
THE HISTORY", Human acts is already late, am I wrong? Are we wrong? URGENT TO REPEAL THE LAW (LAWS) TO GIVE A UNIVERSAL DOSE TO THE WORLD OF IRRATIONAL HUMANS, UNCONSCIOUS BEING AWARE. You impose a serious question dear Oswaldo Enrique Diaz Delgado. It requires deep thinking.
Debasish Majumder
منذ 5 سنوات #4
Jerry Fletcher
منذ 5 سنوات #3
Ali Anani
منذ 5 سنوات #2
`You are very observant Pascal Derrien because two ideas were combined to write this buzz. Initially, they were two ideas for two buzzes, but then I changed my mind. Immigrants needs adjustment period before they can enrich the foreign land with their experiences. People see the initial rising costs and grumble. But then they realize their benefits. The USA thrived because of immigrants because of the variety of experiences and ideas it attracted. The USA was very kind to immigrants. we are living the issue today with millions of Syrians forced to migrate and the initial reaction to their arrival by many countries.
Pascal Derrien
منذ 5 سنوات #1