Rings of Experience

Rings of Experience

A better description of the unknown-unknown quadrant in the Johari Window came to my mind upon observing the concentric bubbles of water in the sea, As we move from the center towards the circumference the diameter of the circles gets bigger and bigger. Theses concentric circles represent the unknown-unknown reality much better.

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So, my first step was to observe concentric circles in nature. I gathered many examples and collected them in the cover page of this post. The two examples that captured my attention are the spider web and the tree rings.

Spider web is an amazing web for it has amazing strength. Spiders capture us in their nets to tell us how little we know if we look outwards, Spiders in thousand may construct a huge web that represents the web created by many different sciences.

The tree rings offer different perception.

These rings may be uniform, symmetrical or deformed and asymmetrical. Life can be pretty tough on a tree! Drought, excessive rain, fire, insect plagues and disease epidemics, injuries, thinning, air pollution, all leave their mark on a tree's annual growth rings. The tree grows in diameter because it manufactures new cells around its circumference, not because the old cells get larger.

The diameter of the rings is quite telling, Each year, the tree forms new cells, arranged in concentric circles called annual rings or annual growth rings. These annual rings show the amount of wood produced during one growing season. The alternation of colors between dark and light and the width of the color zone inform more on the length of time allowed for rings to form in spring and summer. The lighter color is for spring growth. The more the rings are distorted or shifted from the center, the harsher the harsher the environment prevailing during the growth of growth was.

Rings of human experiences

The experience pyramid consists of the layers of experience leading to beliefs and then to actions that shape up the emerging culture. This culture determines the results of what we do on all levels.

Our experiences are related to our needs. We cannot feel spirituality if we are starving for basic (deficiency needs) has the upper priority over growth needs, If these basic needs are dissatisfied we might still grow under harsh condition as tree rings do. Our experiences shall be centered, symmetrical or uniform.

We associate our needs to the Maslow’s Pyramid of Needs. To make this pyramid more relevant to this post I introduced its redrawing as per the image below.

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The above thinking persuaded me to add the needs to the pyramid of experience as the image below shows. As the needs vary so the experience pyramid does for the output of need from The Maslow’s Pyramid is the input for the Experience pyramids. There is a feedback effect disguised here.

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Disruptive situations such as the one we are facing with corona also disrupt the pyramid of needs. We all feel the need for safety and social closeness because of the lockdown that keep us indoors resulting in enhancing the need for social belonging. Not only that because social distancing causes host of health problems as research has concluded. This in turn enhances the needs for our wellness and the disruption of sound thinking.

Needs are rapidly cascading into other needs that we need to be attentive to. The emerging needs to have solid and antifragile characters to cope with these situations and many people fail to do this. Zacharias 🐝 VoulgarisΒ pointed out in a comment on in a post I published recently. He wrote β€œdon't worry about Ali. He's indestructible! :-) While other people have gone quiet during this difficult time, he wrote an e-book! If that's not antifragility & creativity, I don't know what is! I am referencing this comment here because it defines antifragility in simple terms. I wonder if people who have never reached the growth needs level if they can be antifragile. We know that a high percentage of people are only worried about their basic needs; however, these needs are far from being satisfied in the corona virus times. Disruption is happening at all levels.

There is a social disparity resulting from these observations. People who have never experienced the fulfilling of their growth needs mean that the resulting experiences that lead to their belief, which dictate their actions and results are dispatched from the needs of those fortunate people who experienced self-growth.

As for the fortunate people we change the basic needs with basic and growth needs. And so, their resulting experiences, beliefs, actions and results shall be different than those for the unfortunate people.

This may explain the widening gaps in the web in the social web and its subsequent degrading results.

I here suggest that the experience curve is better presented in a rings format resembling those of trees. The new visual I am suggesting is

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Our knowledge, needs and experiences all fit within a ring structure. Do you agree?


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Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#76
Glenn Melcher You know this post is very dear to me and your comment makes it dearer. I strongly believe that nature is our best mentor. Like you, I grew up in a town with mountains, springs and I watched while young the wonders of nature. I am deeply thankful to you

Glenn Melcher

Glenn Melcher

1 year ago #76

Good morning Ali, I so appreciate Your insight because of how it’s grounded in nature and how You melt the metaphors so skillfully.. I am convinced after witnessing Your body of work for as long as I have that if we have the patience most of our the Global issues can be mitigated with the the force of nature & Your skillful delivery.. I basically grew up on my Grandparents Farm during Summer’s .. The Farm was located in NE corner of the State of South Dakota. This might explain my affinity for Your insight as well. Have a wonderful day Ali.. Kind Regards: Glenn Melcher

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#73
Dear Fay Vietmeier If I have "one ring" I assure you have many.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#69
"Dear Fay Vietmeier generalization" that is a real issue in today's educational world. The ability to look inside our own wealth of knowledge and coalesce competing facts into a cohesive thought I fully concur wuth you. I am working on my next post based on many comments and Harvey Lloyd comments are central among them. While preparing for them I came across many posts that discuss the fairness of the educational system in the USA. Fairness in balancing ability (students' mental ability and their financial ability from equality (opportunity to learning and resources). There is an inherent obstacle because resources include resources to teachers. If few students are lucky to teach them with what I quoted you above) and many are denied of these qualified teaching staff them where is the equality? Deep thinking is required on how to upgrade the teaching staff and their fair distribution. You are spot on my friend. Yes, Harvey is a "fountain of great comments".

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #73

#72
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee I will get to your most recent post ... tomorrow I hope I am preparing for company ... and must leave the patio my dear "Ambassador of ambassador's" has a nice "ring" doesn't it ;~)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#69
Fay Vietmeier I am laughing, but at myself now because I missed typing the word not. I meant nobody else has not thought of it. This is just before reading the rest of your comment, dear.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #71

#66
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee I love this line ;~) that is why your are an "Ambassador of ambassador's" "I shall spend the weekend hovering over your comments so that I may get their concentrated juice."

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #70

Harvey Lloyd Some of my takeaways ;~) β€œThis to say that truth is a part of the fix and not the condemnation." β€œTruth is an antidote to BIAS” ... & condemnation. ~ Harvey Lloyd (I added condemnation) The potency of truth must always carry itself without condemnation. It is up to the listener to discern whether the truth is for them. ~Harvey Lloyd β€œTruth should set us free.” Freedom is offered ... each chooses to accept or reject. (small edit)

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #69

#63
Harvey Lloyd Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee My dear Professor what you say: β€œnobody ever thought of an idea that nobody else has thought of it” Reminds me of what is written in Scripture: The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done; and there is no new thing under the sun.” ~ Ecclesiastes 1 Truth is truth ;~) Your comments in this post Harvey are worthy of a book: at the very least a post ... "You touch on a topic, "generalization" that is a real issue in today's educational world. The ability to look inside our own wealth of knowledge and coalesce competing facts into a cohesive thought. Not to come up with something new necessarily but the ability to think critically about competing ideas. Today we educate or indoctrinate students into narratives rather than creating a new source of wisdom. Biblical wisdom, natural wisdom science and philosophical wisdom do have competing ideas. But through generalization we can bring the ideas in balance and usefulness. Altering the landscape of the human paradigm.'

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#67
Fay Vietmeier I know I have headache. Your comment just relieved it with a smile. I published a new post today for a reason. Can you keep up the space with an old man? Cheers my friend

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #67

#66
Harvey Lloyd Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee I thank you my dear Professor for the tap on my bee-wing I did glean that pearl & added it to "Are you suffering from full-cup syndrome" "We close off our minds at our own peril." ~Harvey Lloyd and Yes: "the shell is our closed minds" ... oysters are like sheep ;~)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#65
My friend- you just surprise me with your super thinking. Your mind is a great conductor of ideas. Your idea here is exactly what I meant in a previous comment- I need to visually show the balancing forces. I shall spend the weekend hovering over your comments so that I may get their concentrated juice. Feedback- your comments are exemplary of what a good feedback is. The whole idea of discussions is that you feed the author with your ideas and in turn the author responses with same idea with some little additions at least. Again, you feedback and I feedback. All of a sudden an idea emerges. I love talking to you.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #65

I think in your tree ring analogy, upon further thought......We could consider the soft summer grain as care and the hard winter grain as fairness/justice. Too much of either represents different points failure, but failure none the less. Establishing vertical strength with compassion in balance. :)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#63
We are in complete homogeneity on this Harvey Lloyd Indeed, the education system needs "rehabilitation".

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #63

#62
You touch on a topic, "generalization" that is a real issue in today's educational world. The ability to look inside our own wealth of knowledge and coalesce competing facts into a cohesive thought. Not to come up with something new necessarily but the ability to think critically about competing ideas. Today we educate or indoctrinate students into narratives rather than creating a new source of wisdom. Biblical wisdom, natural wisdom science and philosophical wisdom do have competing ideas. But through generalization we can bring the ideas in balance and usefulness. Altering the landscape of the human paradigm.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#59
Harvey Lloyd I read once that nobody h ever thought of an idea that nobody else has thought of it. However; who can dress the idea with new clothing and who can combine it with other ideas to make it better is what you did with your explanation of SCARF. Simply, you are too modest my friend.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #61

#35
In seeing something broken, from any perspective we are offered two choices. Attempt to fix it or condemn it. In my world condemnation is not an opposition. Given my beliefs that is left to the Creator. This to say that truth is a part of the fix and not the condemnation. This changes how we "witness" within our own beliefs. We carry no authority within the condemnation of comparison. The potency of truth must always carry itself without condemnation. It is up to the listener to discern whether the truth is for them. (The book of Acts helps us once we decide whether the book is "Prescriptive or "Descriptive". I fall in the descriptive camp.) Secondarily, we are all products of the fall. What i hold true today could be wrong. Does that make today a lie? Many mornings have awoken to the knowledge that actions of yesterday were wrong, i had to seek forgiveness. I did not lie but rather acted on misunderstanding or a poor perspective. This is not to say that pathological lairs do not exist. Truth should set us free. Meaning that i can only offer the freedom, others must accept as their own choice.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#58
Harvey Lloyd I am drafting an image to visualize your comments here. It shall take a little while to finish. I shall share it with you before publishing and crediting you, of course. I just need little time to crystallize the ideas here with other comments and info from literature. I am a visual person and thrive on reflective images. Fay Vietmeier- here is a pearl for you to include in your forthcoming post as per your comments here #38 and #50. The quote is extracted from the super last comment of Harvey "We close off our minds at our own peril. In fairness we can quickly over run positions that care saw and we did not".The shell is our closed minds.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #59

#32
I would like to lay claim to these insights but these are thousands of years old. Revelations 2 and the seven letters describe these traits quite eloquently and our status within life cycles. That which is old becomes new. Unfortunately we tend to read these letters from a fairness just position. When we open ourselves to care and see the letters as a mentor leading his students it changes what we know about ourselves and the carnage of the fall.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #58

#27
The ring structure of a tree creates several factors that are held in tension as the tree grows. Pulp is tightly bounded to the winter rings while the phloem is protected by the bark. These "character traits" all work in harmony to adapt and overcome the environments changes. They present balance in a world that presents unbalanced conditions. For humans to have a balanced system of existence we need to incorporate the understanding of all the character traits, or stated in modern lingo, we need diversity in decision making. I tend more towards fairness and justice. But have come to understand that care is a trait we better listen to. We close off our minds at our own peril. In fairness we can quickly over run positions that care saw and we did not. Recent events have seen care out of control. Initially this was understood as we didn't know what we needed to know. Now that we have more information care has taken on its own paradigm. Introducing fairness or justice seems to entrench the care narrative. Fairness and justice are often met with shaming and guilt because you do not care about what has been made important. Balance has been lost.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#56
Harvey Lloyd With such broad and versatile experience I am truly moved. Yes, you are spot on. SCARF is the outside side and Care, justice and fairness are the internal side. No one to my best knowledge had thought of SCARF this way. You are amazing my friend.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #56

#26
Not intentionally beating the same drum, but the care, fairness justice traits are shadow level concepts where SCARF is at the ego level. SCARF represents what we experience in others. Further review would show that under SCARF we have the Care, Justice, Fairness motivating the acronym. An employee steps outside the realm of management wishes. The employee is terminated for insubordination. There is both a care and fairness story here. Contemporaries see the care portion where management sees the fairness/justice. Both are right yet one trait won out over the others because of authority. Authority saw only fairness/justice. They did not include care in their evaluative effort. Care would have established that we all make mistakes, contemporaries would form opinions of leadership and motivation of insubordination was not considered. SCARF looks at relative positions while character traits bend these positions inside the paradigm of action.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#50
Fay Vietmeier I am hoping to read at least one post soon

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#51
Fay Vietmeier Oh Dear- You are MOST WELCOME to comment on comments. I thrive on them. It is just you didn't write a comment of your own that made mas ask for your opinion. You see the exchange comments have always a "a pearl hidden in their rings". For example, the exchange of comments lately on my posts if ideas are measurable resulted in publishing a post today to show how ideas are measurable.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#52
Thank you somuch Harvey Lloyd for this satisfying comment. You are absolutely right with what you concluded "Like all things that in front of humans, balance is always the answer I expressed the same in my post about love. When love becomes overly excessive it turns into one side becoming overly jealous or for fear of losing the beloved one to exercise extra control. The result is losing the beloved one. I wanted to be sure of what you meant because I shall cover these exchange of comments in a post soon. Many people mix justice with fairness. Again, I know now your thoughts about both of the, I appreciate your taking the time to make these clarifications.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #52

#25
Care is the character trait that aligns with Harm. If a person who cares or empathizes deeply with other humans they tend to have a radar for harm. But in the natural world harm is a part of our existence. With CV19 we seem to have carried the care narrative too the degree that fairness and justice have been excluded. We have lost balance. Within new paradigms it seems only natural to be cautious but we should think very clearly about lost potential when care over rides fairness and justice. Fairness and justice too, have their over bearing components. When righteousness becomes self righteousness we see that justice and fairness tend to be the flag flown for personal gains. Justice and fairness turn into authoritarianism while care, when unbalanced, is more guilt and shame. You don't care enough! Care creates the need for a crusader to fix the issues. Often times we find folks who develop a sense of care around the problem only to become its crusader, and often ignore the cure they suggest is crushing other humans not inside their problem matrix. Like all things that in front of humans, balance is always the answer. All character traits are important and should be applied in tension across the goals, needs and actions.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #51

#47
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee No my dear Professor ... no difficulty understanding If I repeat a comment ... it's because I thought you may have missed it ... laying in the field ;~) (I only do this if I feel it is worthy and am seeking specific feedback) I recognize your getting many comments ... that are rich in thought (such as Harvey's) Plus you're responding on multiple platforms You are often a catalyst ... that's why I care ;~)

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #50

#45
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee I thank you for the sweet share ;~) Truly ... I hope it reaches thirsty bees ;~) I consider this post to be one of my best (beyond the views) I say that based on the investment of thought and the outcome Your contribution was a catalyst Again, my dear Professor the Holy Spirit is an ever-present help ... When I find profound application spiritually to something that you have written ... it is because He pointed it out ... even tapped me on the shoulder ; My "pearl-holder" contains poems & posts/I'm working on two posts that it will fit in "Humans are fractals" The more we "zoom" in or out of ourselves ... the more we shall discover ;~) Plus you gave me a great line for the poem: "Searching for pearls in rings"

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#44
I shared for the third attempt with my followers (more than 3500) and successfully this time

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#44
Fay Vietmeier Something funny is happening! I shared your post twice. I get the message OK, but I don't see the post! I wonder what is happening. Also. I reloaded the post, but in each time some images don't show.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Fay Vietmeier I just realized that most of your comments here are responses to previous comments. I just wonder if you found this post difficult to understand, or not!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#43
Fay Vietmeier "Humans are fractals The more we "zoom" in or out of ourselves ... the more we shall discover ;~)" I just wonder in which ring folder you placed it!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#44
Fay Vietmeier How could I forget your memorable post? I still recall my quote in it "β€œWe don’t see the wind, but we see the wind’s effects on moving the trees and blowing flowers and seeds. We see the force by its actions. Likewise; I believe there is an overlooked force- this is what I call the hidden fractal force.” ~Ali Anani Thank you for the reminder. I shared the post again. It is a wonderful reading and the images are super as the post is

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #44

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee that humans are fractals was elaborated upon here: The Fractal State of Humanity https://www.bebee.com/producer/@fay-vietmeier-pennsylvania/the-fractal-state-of-humanity-the-hidden-forces-at-work-for-you-against-you

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #43

#42
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee I am SMILING my dear Professor Humans are fractals The more we "zoom" in or out of ourselves ... the more we shall discover ;~)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#41
Fay Vietmeier Without you feeling it you are becoming more established in complexity science. Your comments here about tree rings and now this comment testify to what I am saying. Glad that you ""search for β€œpearls” among the rings ;~) ... placed in my poem pearl-holder ;~) Mind you, these rings are fractals. Recent research point to this fact. This is in conformity with your last line "β€œBlind spots” & β€œFacades” ... everyone has them but often, the reality of what is hidden there is β€œunknown” not only to others but to ourselves". The more we zoom in or out on fractals the more we shall discover. It is an endless world. BY the way I thank you for your reshare of the post. Much appreciated. I am struggling without my glasses, but still somehow manage.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #41

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee "search for β€œpearls” among the rings ;~) ... placed in my poem pearl-holder ;~) I will be glad when you get new glasses ... wondrous how well your're working with such a handicap my dear Professor ;~) I am a bit fixated on this issue of blindness ... that so handicaps the ability to see & perceive ;~) We are truly "fearfully & wonderfully made" β€œBlind spots” & β€œFacades” ... everyone has them but often, the reality of what is hidden there is β€œunknown” not only to others but to ourselves

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#38
Fay Vietmeier What a poetic spirit you have! Search for pearls among the rings- so profound Johari Window isn't mine. The first names of Joe and Harry combined to give the name. You are most welcome to use it as the drawing of the image is mine. That is right- the concentric circle, the more unknown shall emerge. That is why humility is needed at all times.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#38
Fay Vietmeier What a poetic spirit you have! Search for pearls among the rings- so profound Johari Window isn't mine. The first names of Joe and Harry combined to give the name. You are lost welcome to use it as the drawing of the image is mine. That is right= the concentric circle, the more unknown shall emerge. That is why humility is needed at all times.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #38

#36
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee 5-21-20: Hello my dear Professor ... happy to have made my way here ;~) to search for β€œpearls” among the rings ;~) Like that Johari window (may borrow it for something) ;~) The 1st thought that leap out of my brain is that more is unknown ... than known ;~) β€œBlind spots” & β€œFacades” ... everyone has them but often, the reality of what is hidden there is β€œunknown” not only to others but to ourselves ... sharing these great insights ... may the sharing be like concentric circles reaching thirsty bees ;~)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#35
Fay Vietmeier Familiarity makes us blind sometimes. Your awakening to the value of Harvey Lloyd comment "What you say here is eye-opening ... the next cycle of chaos ... ... bias weaponization ..." I am referring to the next cycle.of chaos. It shall not be for long. Chaos progresses with "period doubling" and the next cycle is divided by a constant (value of which I can't remember precisely). I know it is around 4.2. This means that the timing of the next cycle is more than four times less than the previous one and so is the next one till we have overwhelming chaos.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Fay Vietmeier Because of the lockdown for three more days I am unable to by new frames for my eye glasses. I struggle with an old pair. Pleas forgive me for making typos such as :Being W .W, bow you introduce the three Ws ""Worms, worriers & warriors" I meant How and not bow.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #35

Harvey Lloyd What you say here is eye-opening ... the next cycle of chaos ... ... bias weaponization ... Gathering followers, viewers or readers is easiest when we confirm their bias. Choose a demographic, understand the bias they have and then weaponize it. Truth is the antidote to bias. Repeated truth especially. Now the citizen can firm up their own choices within their own bias. We are not fertilizing wisdom when we inflame group bias. We are feeding sheep. Your thought here is rich: "Truth is the antidote to bias. Repeated truth especially" Truth is the antidote of LIES If one studies history the compete opposite ... holds true as regards "group bias" and the fact that all are sheep gone astray "LIE ... LIE loud ... LIE often and people will believe you" This is found in the "Fake News handbook" ;~) The illusory truth effect (also known as the validity effect, truth effect, or the reiteration effect) is the tendency to believe false information to be correct after repeated exposure.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#32
Fay Vietmeier Thank you for your splendid gift. I accept even though it is "Addressed" to Harvey Lloyd I quote you "But each of these circular arguments are not exposed and discarded, they become rings on the "idea tree" that has become self supporting. Almost like a tree three hundred foot tall with its whole root ball floating above it". You just opened my mind to a host of new idea on how the concentric rings for. Yes, e stay in this circular loop until we find a way to break out of it to form a new loop with starting point where we finished the last loop. The question now is how to break out of the loops SO rich insight and you are not only a spiritual mentor, but also an idea mentor too

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#31
Fay Vietmeier Being W .W, bow you introduce the three Ws ""Worms, worriers & warriors" Your poetic creativity is boundless, dear.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #32

#13
Harvey Lloyd Profound insights Harvey ... what you say here I will ponder much "in His Light" ... ever grateful we have light I would suggest that policy/politics grows its own trees from thin air. No seed, no natural design but just elements coming together that drift above the natural order of existence. I am suggesting that CV-19 has become its own tree in your analogy. Like many political elements we experience, we see an idea develop, a brand get promoted and the process begins to depend on its previously created idea as the source for its truth. Within any critical thinking realm we can see the circular argument that gets created. But each of these circular arguments are not exposed and discarded, they become rings on the "idea tree" that has become self supporting. Almost like a tree three hundred foot tall with its whole root ball floating above the soil. Some folks are attempting to cut the "idea tree" down, while others are feeding it fertilizer to help it grow. One group knows the idea of a floating tree is not sustainable. But the side fertilizing, is using the tree as a means to some end. (Not sure what that is.) The CV-19 tree is the source of our own branch removal, to make way for something else. We are beginning to question the choices the CV19 tree is demanding.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #31

Cyndi wilkins So bee-lighted to see you commenting again ... missed you ;~) Please know that you have been in my thoughts & prayers (and your friend with the rare cancer) Your response is revealing "deep reflection" ... quiet ... inner quest You are a deep well ;~) Cyndi Your words here: "The information being communicated to me in this time of turmoil is the true 'contagion' here is not so much a 'virus' as it is the ripple effect it has created. We have made an emotional transfer among the human psyche that effects everything from our moods to the economy." ... drives home for me the spiritual nature of corona Some thoughts expressed here: "Worms, worriers & warriors" "Redeem the time" This is a tribute to our dear Professor ... bee-fun in times of trouble "The Pearl-holder & the field of bees" https://www.bebee.com/producer/@fay-vietmeier-pennsylvania/the-pearl-holder-and-the-field-of-bees

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#28
Fay Vietmeier Please don't ask me how this thought (idea) popped up in my mind. The word bent may serve a purpose as this famous story of Einstein with his blind friend. This word bent is also the trigger to remember the story. Without any hesitation Einstein rose to his feet and told a story. He said he was reminded of a walk he one day had with his blind friend. The day was hot and he turned to the blind friend and said, "I wish I had a glass of milk." "Glass," replied the blind friend, "I know what that is. But what do you mean by milk ?" "Why, milk is a white fluid," explained Einstein. "Now fluid, I know what that is," said the blind man. "but what is white ?" "Oh, white is the color of a swan's feathers." "Feathers, now I know what they are, but what is a swan ?" "A swan is a bird with a crooked neck." "Neck, I know what that is, but what do you mean by crooked ?" At this point Einstein said he lost his patience. He seized his blind friend's arm and pulled it straight. "There, now your arm is straight," he said. Then he bent the blind friend's arm at the elbow. "Now it is crooked." http://astro1.panet.utoledo.edu/~ljc/einstein_neck.html

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #29

#8
John Rylance I thank you for sharing that insight on concentric circles ... along with many other of the "best of bees" ... You will be mentioned in an upcoming post from the "bee-famous pearl-holder" for your contributions there ;~)

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #28

#2
Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris Rich insight Zacharias ... ... namely that of consciousness manifested as lessons learned. After all, actions and results may not be enough, but when you actually learn from all this, in a way that changes you from within, that's something else ... Looking inward ... is not a natural bent I am writing about this ... have been pondering the last few months If human response during this time is not inward ... that speaks volumes

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#24
I am pondering on your comments Harvey Lloyd. Many questions cross my mind and I Google for possible answers, I am just reading this "It soon became clear that fairness, respect, care and honesty are all lacking, or deficient". Here there are two common factors" fairness and care. . These values represent the core needs in my concentric ring diagram. So, if they are missing the input doesn't have the nutrients that the tree (organization) needs. The sing structure shall deform subsequently. Any thoughts?

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#24
Harvey Lloyd The three core values you mentioned are justice, care and fairness You remind me of SCARF Model standing for: s status C Certainty A Autonomy R Relatedness F Fairness How do you compare your three core values with these five core values? Fairness is obviously common between the two. I am interested to know

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#24
Excellent and the distortion of the triad cascades into the harmful effects you highlighted. Just I wonder what do you mean exactly by care and by whom? This is a self=interest and the comments stands high on its own.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #24

#23
The connection for me that is most misunderstood within bias is the "care" element. Care is one of the fundamental elements of our personality along with Fairness and Justice. The tension between these three elements as understood is the tension of reality. The reality where all are equal weight but in conflict most of the time. We lived in a very fair and just bias world for many years. Now we find ourselves where the Care element is growing larger than the other two. Care can get us to where the ends justify the means. Never a good place. Each of these three traits when out of balance have grave impact on social structures. When in equal tension humanity prospers. Care is something that is part of the self awareness paradigm and not something handed down in policy. It appears that media and policy makers have all joined under the care trait to protect us from ourselves. In some cases this is good and in others we end up blinding folks to their own risks. I have read much about the process of care growing in strength and it is all quite complex. Generalized tendencies seem to place men at the just/fair trait while women are more about care. The dragon that hurts the baby requires slaying (Men) while the women worries more about the baby. Both are correct and equal. Somehow though we have made them competitive.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#22
Harvey Lloyd This isn't a side track; it is an integral track/ My previous post discussed biases in far greater detail and your comment here is valid to both posts. Yes, weaponizing bias is intentional. Like fake rumors are when they are intentional to distract the attention of the crowd. I recall a famous case with a famous star who was accuses of something. People polarized in their feelings towards the actress. During which time the government of the star passed a new tax law. Only after a while people realized that the rumor diluted their attention from a major issue. Your comments add wealth to the post.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #22

#18
Moving away from the metaphor for a moment to discuss bias is an important exercise. With media being such a big influence on our information, bias discrimination becomes important. Just because someone shares my bias does not promote critical thinking. Just because we have millions who believe the world is flat, doesn't make it so. Bias is a way to sell ad space. It would seem from a observer perspective that bias has been weaponized to sell third party advertisement. That statement sounds simplistic as we look at the human paradigm within the media we view. In taking a moment where ad space is what makes the paycheck or gets the vote, then we can make an easy connection towards bias weaponization. Gathering followers, viewers or readers is easiest when we confirm their bias. Choose a demographic, understand the bias they have and then weaponize it. Truth is the antidote to bias. Repeated truth especially. Now the citizen can firm up their own choices within their own bias. We are not fertilizing wisdom when we inflame group bias. We are feeding sheep. Sorry for the side track.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#19
Harvey Lloyd This is creative thinking my friend. Yes, you have explained the rings formation and the policies forming one type (winter type( rings in a formidable way. I even believe even though this ideas is yours you only thought of it following the feedback we are experiencing. This is how new thinking emerge. Much obliged to you.. Will certainly give deep thoughts to all your comments here.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#15
Harvey Lloyd I just noticed this comment because my attention was focuses on your other comments. I mentioned the rings and I am glad you elaborated here. I need to focus my divergent thoughts on this issue and I hope your comment will help me converge them.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #19

#16
The soft flexible summer rings offer us foundational principals that support us in storms, where the hard winter rings give us rigidity support vertical growth. The combination of these two styled rings create the natural existence of a tree through a life cycle. My thought here is, created rings, today, tend to be the rigid winter rings. Making the life cycle of the tree (human) shorter as its brittleness in storms causes it to snap. The spacing of the rings in conjunction with the thickness of the rings are perfected within a natural order. This same order exists in humans except when policy elements force growth in a certain way. They become rigid. To many of these hard points created, over time, then our ability to support already in place height is presented with high risk, in high winds, next time. Rigid policy points offer short term solutions but also set up the next cycle of chaos.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#17
Harvey Lloyd What I love about your comments here id your using the tree metaphor. This is consistent with the formation of rings on the "tree". I am pondering how to relate your comments to the rings formation. Answering this question will lead to more discoveries. I know that you mentioned one example in your comment #12 , but there is more to discover. The conflict of interest among leaders may originate form biases or/and paradoxes and the thinking type they use. This creates polarity and ts subsequent effects. How these factors affect leaders is, hopefully, as you expressed in your comment "IMHO policy leaders understand this". You are a great thinker my friend.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #17

#14
Using your second pyramid, i could state that as long as the CV19 roots do not grow deep enough to invade my experiences, at least as i see them, then we are content to just have a opinion. Once the CV19 tree roots begin disrupting my experiences it is no longer an opinion but a reality of my sun being blocked. IMHO policy leaders understand this. But due to the balance of power stuff, it is difficult to get the roots that deep. CV19 is the vehicle used to reach this depth of humanity. Biased news and the lot is the methods of sustains the idea tree that drifts above all other trees. Biased news is also the method of cutting down the tree. Unfortunately this leaves citizenry to choose sides rather than make informed choices.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#13
You know by now that I am in agreement. My previous reply to your comment #13 is consistent with your comment here. I like so much the explanation that you provide for ring formations. Now, the question is how symmetrical and centered those rings are. You open many windows for new possibilities.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #15

What if we created a Johari window for a forest or group? Self awareness is only necessary because we live in a forest. Lacking forest reflection self awareness becomes a mute point. What if, we took the same ring analogy and applied it, within a Response To Intervention (RTI) scenario, concerning the CV19 policy created tree. What creates the largest growth, what damages growth within political policy RTI? Even as i write the question i begin to realize, it is difficult to address the growth rings without becoming political, or choosing a side.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#12
Thank you Harvey Lloyd for contributing a vivid post. I am smiling reading "Your ring analogy sets the stage for natural growth, but what happens when policy prunes, removes or deforests around certain trees in order to support policy objectives?: I am smiling because I just gave another example on my previous post on the growth of fake news. This may sound a simple system. but considering the interacting factors we than have a complex system, Individual biases will affect how individuals respond to the news. The biases are many as is explained in my previous post. Then the output of the individual affects how society responds to the fake news. Again, same or new paradoxes and biases affect the outcome. What I want to say that some systems do change not because of policy makers, but because of us. This issue needs more attention. The ring diagram I suggested starts with needs. What are these needs? Are they value-bases needs or cosmetic ones? And I can go and add more questions. So, right from the start we start disturbing a system. Human complexity doesn't wait for policy makers to force them. Mostly, they maybe initiated by us.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #13

I would suggest that policy/politics grows its own trees from thin air. No seed, no natural design but just elements coming together that drift above the natural order of existence. I am suggesting that CV-19 has become its own tree in your analogy. Like many political elements we experience, we see an idea develop, a brand get promoted and the process begins to depend on its previously created idea as the source for its truth. Within any critical thinking realm we can see the circular argument that gets created. But each of these circular arguments are not exposed and discarded, they become rings on the "idea tree" that has become self supporting. Almost like a tree three hundred foot tall with its whole root ball floating above the soil. Some folks are attempting to cut the "idea tree" down, while others are feeding it fertilizer to help it grow. One group knows the idea of a floating tree is not sustainable. But the side fertilizing, is using the tree as a means to some end. (Not sure what that is.) The CV-19 tree is the source of our own branch removal, to make way for something else. We are beginning to question the choices the CV19 tree is demanding.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #12

Looking at current policy elements surrounding CV-19 we can say that these policies have cut the limbs off of our tree. The limbs are our social and professional skills that bring in available sun light and water to our main selves. Emotional intelligence if you will, is the placement of our branches and leaves to effectively grow our inner thoughts (Trunk). The cognitive dissonance we are all feeling is the removal of one branch in order to place another in its place. Placing one person or group of people in prime positions for growth. Each tree of a forest competes on a basis of a level playing field. Once we step outside of this filed though, the stressors grow as we compete based on not natural law, but rather policy driven social engineering. This is an observation and not a judgment. Your ring analogy sets the stage for natural growth, but what happens when policy prunes, removes or deforests around certain trees in order to support policy objectives? Maslow's pyramid is difficult to review unless you place two or more before you. We are like a forest taking benefit in numbers but also living independently. I am quite certain that Maslow's pyramid was considered as its own forest of pyramids. In recent discussions we have demonstrated that the belief segment really needs to be at the foundation to support not only me but my community.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#10
Yes, dear Mohammed Abdul Jawad You are correct. The cascading effects of the virus are overwhelming. The spread of fake news and info makes the situation more complex. The claims of what is helpful such as masks are contradicting each other. Our belief in them is cracking. We tend to lean back to our beliefs out of all this emerging chaos.

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

1 year ago #10

Agreed that β€˜coronavirus’ exists. But, with this reality, there’s so much of disruption. Of course, there’s little truth, but more of twisted tales. Above all, in the name of social distancing and lockdowns, common (and poor) people are suffering a lot in their lives. Hope everything gets back to normalcy.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#8
John Rylance Interesting definitions and even you raised my hair with surprise. This post isn't the end of the story of concentric rings of experience. I intend to write Part 2 in my next post. What is surprising is "which describes itself as a platform for rational debate and empowers reason through friendly open discussion. It is surprising because this is one part of the expansion in the next post Your comment and the previous comment by Edward Lewellen on my previous post about core identity and resolution of conflicts is an integral part to answering how to resolve conflicts and opposite interests? I thank you both friends for the thoughts both of you expressed.

John Rylance

John Rylance

1 year ago #8

As per usual your post had me delving to discover more. I came across this description of concentric circles. Concentric circles represent processes, interrelationships, wholeness, and a systemic view of nature and universe. Another note of interest involving concentric circles is that they are usually represented as a place or location from which stories and experiences emanated and to which stories are historically tied. The quote was found on Kialo which describes itself as a platform for rational debate and empowers reason through friendly open discussion. Sounds like what we on beeBee are trying to achieve.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#5
Cyndi wilkins Part 2 In reference to your thought "here is not so much a 'virus' as it is the ripple effect it has created". I totally agree with you. The complexity of the issue enhances this rippling effect and we need to collaborate together. Now, comes the thorny question. We live in a state of increasing tension because of the virus. This has resulted in many polarities such as: open the borders and lose trade and tourism versus close the doors for more safety Apply complete lockdown or remove it totally Allow for transient workforce to work versus to earn their living versus keep them indoors Allow for freight cargo to bring imports versus ban them totally. People react to immediate effects. Jordan enjoyed eight days of zero corona cases. However; with the opening of borders for the export of agro-products and for imported basic items Jordan has been registering more than twenty cases a day. This polarity needs attention for us to work together and to contain the dreadful cascading effects on the society. This issue has been on my mind. I am sharing a post next week using a new metaphor and a suggested action plan. I am still crystallising my thoughts.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#5
Cyndi wilkins Part1 What a great surprise to read a comment by you after such a ;long time. As always,your comment is coherent. It has many thoughts to consider. One thought is "we are all going to have to work together in this collaborative effort to heal the damage...Lest we experience a 'resurgence' we are unable to contain...". You may have noticed my brief words in the body of this post. It is "Spiders in thousand may construct a huge web". I didn't elaborate to keep the post rather long and not too long. It has been found that thousand of spiders work together to produce a huge web. This web helps all the individual spiders because it has a high capacity to trap annoying insects. The shared purpose was strong enough to make them work together. I agree entirely with your thought and failing to do so we shall individually fall preys to our little web allowing all bed thoughts and actions to do "their work" on us.

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

1 year ago #5

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee For the many who have 'gone silent'...myself included...it has been a period of deep reflection accessible only in the quietest moments. Personally, my inner quest has lead me to communicating on a deeper level..perhaps one may refer to this as 'telepathic'...with the field of consciousness. The information being communicated to me in this time of turmoil is the true 'contagion' here is not so much a 'virus' as it is the ripple effect it has created. We have made an emotional transfer among the human psyche that effects everything from our moods to the economy. This situation has presented each of us with an opportunity to incrementally effect the 'macrocosm' by initiating those small steps back into the land of the living with a revised version of a new world....each doing our part to create a healthier environment...mentally and physically. Mother Nature has made it abundantly clear that, going forward, we are all going to have to work together in this collaborative effort to heal the damage...Lest we experience a 'resurgence' we are unable to contain...

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#2
Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris I forgot to mention that in the last image of the post I emphasized the word basic to reflect on definite social classes and their basic needs. If I presented the image for the well-to-do classes I would have emphasized the growth needs instead of the basic needs. I also mentioned that disruption is disrupting needs, which conforms with your subtle comment.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#2
Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris I was right to quote you in the post because I expected to draw such an accomplished comment from you. Yes, there are basic effects and emerging effects. No question asked. However. the problems vary with the location and at least as there intensity is. In poor countries, for example, reach-ability to food and clean water aren't a much concern for the people in wealthy countries. So, generalization isn't possible. I left this part for intellectual people to add their thoughts and enrich the post. Keep visiting my friend.

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

So much to unpack here! I don't think I can do justice to the task. Instead, I'll share my take on something that could be elaborated further, IMO: the effect of the Covid-19 situation to our needs. Yes, it has exasperated the lower needs to some extent since these are linked to feelings of fear. However, it has also made many people wonder about things and life in general. In that sense, it has triggered the higher needs too, at least to some extent. Perhaps not for everyone, but many people have started to be more active in that sense and according to the ring schema at the end of this article, action is linked to the higher needs. Also, I'd add an emerging factor that adds another dimension to this schema, namely that of consciousness manifested as lessons learned. After all, actions and results may not be enough, but when you actually learn from all this, in a way that changes you from within, that's something else, something that may need its own ring in the schema. There is no doubt that Covid-19 has incurred lots of damages everywhere, not just in some people's health. However, it has also brought about a deeper understanding of things, an understanding of ourselves first of all. I wonder how this will manifest in the months and years to come...

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Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris- you are mentioned in this post my friend

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