Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

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Rotten Roots Lead to Rotten Actions

Rotten Roots Lead to Rotten Actionsa

Rotten Roots Lead
to Rotten Actions

Light and darkness co-exist anywhere and at any time. They exist in our bodies. The shadow is mostly dark and the ego is light as it is the center of critical thinking and the question is to think about what?

No tree may grow healthily without good roots. Our shadows are like roots in trees. They feed on what we store in their soils. If we mostly store fear, anxiety, suspicion, doubt, mistrust, grudge, uncaring, injustice unfairness and the like these feelings become so rooted and they form our beliefs. When we grow up these beliefs become our behaviors and then our habitual patterns of thinking. They become our actions. The roots causes of these actions are rooted in the rotten roots growing in the dark.

The interplay of the shadow and ego is what defines our psyche, the part of the psyche where our conscious awareness resides, our sense of identity and existence. Jung believed that consciousness is selective, and the ego is the part of the self that selects the most relevant information from the environment and chooses a direction to take based on it, while the rest of the information sinks into the unconscious (the shadow). It may, therefore, show up later in the form of dreams or visions.

It is the self-regulating loop between the light of the conscious ego and the darkness of unconscious shadow that keeps our balance. The part of the ego that we show to the world is our persona. It is what we desire to act to the world that is how we are. Stretching these acts too far might lead to our imbalances as the balancing feedback loop between the ego and shadow is disturbed.

What we show to the world who we are is our personas and what we dislike in ourselves sink to the shadow and thus our values and beliefs as well. However; we don’t show these traits of our personalities to the world. We reject them only to project them on others.

We project directly our personas and project our weaknesses on others. Whenever we do a spontaneous act of saying bad things to others and then regret them? These are the irritations inside us. We don’t want to show the world this is how we are.

We may only bridge the gap between what we say and what we do if we ingrain the good deed on our soils so that the roots feed on healthy nutrients as they deplete the hidden dark feelings in our shadows.
Ali Anani

The riots we witness today because of racism shows that we say we aspire for equity, care and justice for all people, but deep down we don’t own these beliefs. They are superficial.

I quote here:

 We will not build a peaceful world by following a negative path. It is not enough to say we must not wage war. It is necessary to love peace and sacrifice for it. We must concentrate not merely on the negative expulsion of war but on the positive affirmation of peace. We must see that peace represents a sweeter music, a cosmic melody, that is far superior to the discords of war. Somehow, we must transform the dynamics of the world power struggle from the negative nuclear arms race, which no one can win, to a positive contest to harness humanity’s creative genius for the purpose of making peace and prosperity a reality for all the nations of the world. In short, we must shift the arms race into a peace race. If we have a will – and determination – to mount such a peace offensive, we will unlock hitherto tightly sealed doors of hope and transform our imminent cosmic elegy into a psalm of creative fulfillment. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. 
Martin Luther King, Jr.
Violence is impractical because it is a descending spiral ending in destruction for all. It is immoral because it seeks to humiliate the opponent rather than win his understanding: it seeks to annihilate rather than convert. Violence is immoral because it thrives on hatred rather than love. It destroys community and makes brotherhood impossible. It leaves society in monologue rather than dialogue. Violence ends up defeating itself. It creates bitterness in the survivors and brutality in the destroyers
Martin Luther King, Jr.

To transform truly we need to do just what Martin Luther King prescribed to us. We need to feed our roots with such sublime values by converting the opposite values to these real ones. The choice is ours. If not we shall continue our discrimination based on false beliefs that brown eggs are better than white eggs.

This is true on all levels from the individual to the family, community and society. We have seen companies claim values that were not ingrained in their leaders claiming something and them behaving in total contradiction of what they claim. This is a short-lived attitude for sooner or later the real “persona” of these companies appeared leading to their financial bankruptcy as a result of their “value bankruptcy”. The greed of making more profits won over them and their acclaimed values.

I dedicate this post to because it was her thorough post on LinkedIn that prompted me to share this post. Chandra Hardy, M.Ed.

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Fay Vietmeier My dear friend- you reflected exactly what I wanted to say in my previous comment "Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil". I simply agree in full

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #87

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee ... when a person is in the dark it's easy to fall in potholes or pits ... There is so much wisdom in God's Word: "a man (or woman) walking in the dark does not know where they're going" ... this is why I love God's Word: Here's what it says about "hiding in darkness" Powerful ... "This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God." ~ John 3

Fay Vietmeier My dear friend- people hide what they are ashamed to show the world. When values are such as robe the customer and sell even without honesty no matter what and many more then we tend to hid them in the darkness.

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #85

@Mack Prioleau Yes, Mark ... Why can't our values & beliefs be shown to the world ... they are what shape our personas IMHO: our Values & BELIEFS should SHINE ... not have a shadow cast over them The world we live in is overcome with SHADOW casters This calls for awareness and a strengthening of values & beliefs ;~) not being conformed to the world ... being uprooted from the shadow casters "What we show to the world who we are is our personas and what we dislike in ourselves sink to the shadow and thus our values and beliefs as well." Well said point. Unfortunately, we all were taught biases that need to end by going to the cause as you mentioned: our roots.

Mack Prioleau I am honored to be connected now with you. I experienced myself very recently an incident that makes your comment speaks to my mind. Yes, we need to go back to the roots and have values that we are proud to show to the world; not the other way round.

Fay Vietmeier WEll.I then look forward to reading your post on "It is like peeling an onion ... and “human-onions” is a tab in my “pearl-holder” ‘~) my good friend.

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #82

#85 Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Dearest Professor ~ Yes: “Selling is a complex process and asking probing questions and sensing what you get from this probing is a crucial skill for salesperson” A complex process that is multiplied by complex people ;~) There is much give and take Layering down into truth: the real need ... the real problem This will depend on how honest people are willing to be ... how transparent As stated earlier: In our humanness ... we will tend to put up walls if the probing questions or probing process becomes uncomfortable You must “sense” when this is occurring and tack a different tack or revisit another time It takes time and trust ... and sometimes you never arrive It is like peeling an onion ... and “human-onions” is a tab in my “pearl-holder” ‘~)

Fay Vietmeier I told you you have a scientific mind. Your comment supports my version of truth. You wrote "In my sales role, I learned over time to ask the right probing questions". Selling is a complex process and asking probing questions and sensing what you get from this probing is a crucial skill for salespersons these days. I am more than interested if you would kindly share your experience as a comment here and in a post later. I do look forward to reading both.

Fay Vietmeier Oh my friend- this is a grand gesture from you.I genuinely thank you for your congrats and also in thinking of me. I wish you happy days ahead.

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #79

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee My dear Professor ... you rightly say: “There is also a tendency for complex systems to become chaotic. In this case we manage them by acting in small steps to probe what results we get and then respond accordingly.” I am smiling as I write: Each human being is a “complex system” ... “fearfully & wonderfully made” We are prone to “become chaotic” ... and ... without question “senses have a significant role” Your good insight: “spiritual responding comes with how we explain what we probed and sensed.” I'm going to state that having good probing skills ... and being tuned into your senses will guide the process ... and here is where having a high level of curiosity has great value In my sales role, I learned over time to ask the right probing questions ... the point of the questioning was to get to the core or the root of the (organizational) challenge, problem ... this is called “pain” A good psychologist will do the same thing ... or a good scientist ... or a good detective ... or a person seeking truth: ask the right probing questions ... to get to the core ... to understand the root of the issue ... to obtain truth This is especially applicable to spiritual matters In our humanness ... we will tend to put up walls if the probing questions or probing process becomes uncomfortable

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #78

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee First let me extend a wish for a “Happy Father’s Day” ... as you & your lovely wife have been blessed with 3 beautiful daughters (not sure if this holiday is celebrated in your country but honor is due to honorable fathers wherever they call “home”) I say parenting is the “ultimate paradigm shift” ... the hardest work you’ll ever do ... the most fun you’ll ever have ;~)

Fay Vietmeier This is how I understood it.

Fay Vietmeier My comment and your response show a key factor- we differ in how we sense and perceive what we probe and sense. I meant it to say probe and sense. We live in a complex world and we depend as first steps in managing such complex systems is first probe what is going on. Then we proceed to sensing what we probed. Depending on probing and sensing and individuals'explanation of them each individual responds her/his way. There is also a tendency for complex systems to become chaotic.In this case we manage them by acting in small steps to probe what results we get and then respond accordingly. You see senses have a significant role. When we probe and sense nature only after we may decide how to respond. I want to say spiritual responding comes with how we explain what we probed and sensed. Not surprising, we see the same view in many different ways.,

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #75

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee below...I meant to say: The level of consciousness is a great determiner of capacity & destiny (IMHO)

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #74

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee It is remarkable how uniquely different human beings are ... how they see and perceive ... or not ... how they hear and understand ... or not The greater our ability to perceive & understand the greater our capacity The level on consciousness is a great determiner of capacity & destiny (IMHO) Truth: "We may be exposed to the same experience and yet arrive at different conclusions. There is a spiritual experience that is not shared the same way by all participants. Our spiritual capacities vary and the reasoning behind them vary as well" 1,000 people can stand at the top of the Grand Canyon and see 1,000 different things ... a 1,000 different ways "God is like the sun; you cannot look at it, but without it you cannot look at anything else." ~ Gilbert K. Chesterton

Fay Vietmeier I recall some astronauts who returned from their journeys to the moon came back revived and full of faith having seen what very few fortunate people saw before. On contrast, other astronauts didn't see the inspiration likewise. We may be exposed to the same experience and yet arrive at different conclusions. There is a spiritual experience that is not shared the same way by all participants. Obviously, my dear spiritual mentor, if you were on that journey to the moon your faith would have doubled. Our spiritual capacities vary and the reasoning behind them vary as well/ Prophet Mohammed said that those few with genuine faith will be like somebody holding to burning charcoal in their hands. It is a hard struggle.

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #72

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Now my dear professor I remember clearly, your sharing this quote before ... thank you ... “the faith of old women” I may have added at that time having ... the faith of a child This is what the Lord encourages for belief Now having been paid a compliment by you: as having a “scientific mind” ... I am truly blessed For I DO question almost everything ... I have earned “queen of questions” At times scientists must take things upon faith Just as believers must take things upon faith ... a "highly ordered state ;~) "Even though the realms of religion and science in themselves are clearly marked off from each other, nevertheless there exist between the two strong reciprocal relationships and dependencies. Though religion may be that which determines the goal, it has, nevertheless, learned from science, in the broadest sense, what means will contribute to the attainment of the goals it has set up. But science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of religion. To this there also belongs the faith in the possibility that the regulations valid for the world of existence are rational, that is, comprehensible to reason. I cannot conceive of a genuine scientist without that profound faith. The situation may be expressed by an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." ~ Albert Einstein

Fay Vietmeier Dear my spiritual mentor- I remember I shared once a quote by The Khalifa Omar Inu Al-Khattab. He is known for his wisdom. He prayed to God to "grant him the faith of old women". He meant the faith that is accepted without any questioning. Scientists tend to question every thing. So, their faith fluctuates. We need to be understanding for this confusion. To have your faith takes a convention without questioning. This is a high orderly state and very few shall enjoy having it..

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #70

Jerry Fletcher I have caught your position on this in other conversations Jerry ... as I try to be an attentive bee ;~) I endeavor to be always respectful ... I know many do not believe as I believe When people express their thoughts ... it is easy to see beliefs Yes: people can "grow from a free exchange with understanding rather than conversion as the goal." “Conversion” that is from the Spirit ... as you eloquently gave in the example of Saul who was persecuting people who belonged to the Way As he neared Damascus ... suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him ... he fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked “I AM Jesus, whom you are persecuting” (Acts 9) ... "Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do." ... Saul could have chosen NOT to do this ... As a believer ... my core identity is "in Christ" ... Edward Lewellen My faith and study of Scripture (over decades) shapes my thinking and overflows in the words that I write & speak Any person can read who I am ... I do not waver Impossible to separate: who I am from Whose I am To attempt to do so would be shallow I expect nothing from a person ... but always hope for truth ... honesty “And so it goes.” To again quote a famous bee

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #69

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee You picked up a "pearl" my dear Professor ... I often ponder ... that people, in their own way, do indeed: "argue with God" ... this may be consciously ... this may be unconsciously Though recognized ... or not ... arguing with God is to our detriment (IMHO) This thought has occurred to me on numerous occasions during the COVID-19 pandemic What challenge will it take for hearts to turn to God? A deep question. In truth, some never will. We have been given by the Great Giver ... a sacred gift: free will. So we choose. There is a book written by Cormac McCarthy: The Road ... in all my reading ... which is vast and varied, I have never read anything as dark ... it leaves its mark ... the events told there make COVID a flea bite (not the greatest analogy but to make a point) ... pray it never be When there is nothing left ... where to turn?

Jerry Fletcher

1 year ago #68

Fay, You are not the first person I've met who trod the road to Damascus. Remember, the people of that city made Saul a saint of both Christianity and Islam. Sharing your beliefs is fine. Just don't expect me to accept them. I believe each of us grows from a free exchange with understanding rather than conversion as the goal. And so it goes.

Fay Vietmeier My spiritual mentor-this is my pearl of wisdom for the day: "... I believe that the clay should not argue with the Potter Who can see? You are a great potter

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #66

Jerry Fletcher I appreciate your honest reply ... and it is true: we each pack what we carry in our suitcase ;~) The thought of riding a turtle did make me SMILE When I share my beliefs ... it is only revealing the bee called "me " ... I believe that the clay should not argue with the Potter Who can see WAY beyond where ... when and what I may be ... willingness to submit to WISDOM ... is KEY I have had enough laps around the cornfield of life to know this People see what they want to see ... hear what they want to hear ... believe what they want to believe ... "so it goes" to quote a famous bee ;~) I was not always a woman of faith ... forgive me if this is repetition ... but there was a moment ... that turned my heart and my life followed ... it has now been decades so I can look back and see the difference that moment made I don't believe in "convincing" ... this produces shallowness This I believe: share truth ... share knowledge ... it is up to people to recognize & embrace Only when person purposes in their heart to do something ... to believe something is it genuine "When the heart is ready, the feet are swift." ~ Abraham Lincoln

Jerry Fletcher

1 year ago #65

Fay, I accept the fact that each of us travels this world with our own set of beliefs. Mine do not accept the idea of a "potter" any more than riding a turtle. Sagacity, in my view, is never found in submission. It is the outcome of knowledge linked to experience and time. that acquired wisdom suggests that the better aspect of any religious discussion is to allow all members of the discussion to believe as they like so long as they do not try to convince others that their view is the one true one. Like Heinlein, I believe, some days, that all the varied religions are right. And so it goes.

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #64

Jerry Fletcher Jerry ~ Please forgive the delayed response ... I find I’m missing some comments on beBee (I try to keep open posts where I have commented and periodically visit to see if there is comment back) Being a “realist” is as my dear Irish friend, Ellie says: “rightly-ordered” Many decisions are emotionally based ... but if you welcome the help of the Spirit then the decision can be collaborative You do not have to align with all the thinking of your clan A man’s former days do not have to be his future days ... I know from reading how stubborn that men can be about that “bending of the knee” ;~) ... I’m a bit of a realist too ;~) believe that the clay should not argue with the Potter Who can see WAY beyond where ... when and what I may be ... willingness to submit to WISDOM ... is KEY

Thank you Jan \ud83d\udc1d Barbosa for your reshare of the post. I am mist grateful to you

Jerry Fletcher

1 year ago #62

Fay, I'm a realist. Mankind is controlled by emotions. All decisions are emotionally based. I'm a bit Irish and my clan has always refused to take a knee to any man or god. Granting that authority is a loss of control and no fit way to live.

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #61

Jerry Fletcher Do you think each person should be in control of their emotions? I agree that it is not healthy or right that another person is "controlling the emotions" of anther Being in control of our emotions (not easy) ... this is something we must learn (not easy) ... something we should teach our children (not easy) As mentioned earlier: The spirit man is subject to the Spirit ... under the authority of the Holy Spirit (this is only possible with awareness, willingness, desire & cooperation) Being governed by "emotions" or feelings is following the "flesh" ... often reactionary ... often with out regard to being under authority (God or government) ... human thinking ... humans being ;~) very COMPLEX ... so much to understand +1

Jerry Fletcher

1 year ago #60

Fay, emotion controlling is an observation of Mankind. I don't support it or recommend it. It is what it is and that reflection is one that must be dealt with. A world made up of Spocks would indeed be dreary. And so it goes.

Fay Vietmeier Now, I started to worry because of you my dear friend. Why?It is because I am preparing my next post (next to the one I am publishing today). It is about the Thermodynamics of Human beings. I am considering many aspects such as why teams are increasingly moving towards behaving like "gaseous teams"in which each team member wanders are spaced out relative to one another and are moving around with rapid, random motion.around". What happened? Other topics I am considering is "spiritual rigidity" versus "spiritual flexibility", and which one is more chaotic? SO, you see you read my "intentions' before I announce them my dear.

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #58

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee How interesting ... "The thermodynamics of spirituality" 1) I’m curious ... do you have a thought to offer regarding this my dear Professor? 2) Now I am not a scientist, but know thermodynamics has to do with heat & cold & entropy The spiritual connecting thought that came to my mind is from Revelation 3 “These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation. I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.” Sowing into the spirit ... produces spiritual strength (energy) ... I liken to heat When the Spirit is working in us ... when we are cooperating & collaborating with Him there is an overflow into the world around us (often cold) Being “lukewarm” would seem to reflect no evidence of the Holy Spirit of God working in our lives Reading briefly about “entropy” ... this is an epiphany "Entropy in any closed system always increases” When applied spiritually ... this is an epiphany If the “closed system” is the mind ... the heart Resistance to belief "increases" 3) I am curious if Harvey Lloyd ... Edward Lewellen if you have any thought on this ;~)

Dear Fay Vietmeier Your comment belongs to what I describe now as "The thermodynamics of spirituality" Spirituality is an orderly state. It is against the entropy of having no faith. Being an orderly state it takes energy (work) to do. It is not spontaneous. No wonder I believe you when you say to took time and effort to reach this stage.

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #56

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee I was not always a woman of faith my dear Professor ... my heart was not always toward God or desirous to know Him ... to please Him That journey began in a moment ... of belief ... awakening ... rebirth Then it is walked out ... day by day ( which does not mean there will not be detours & wrong decisions or choices ;~) If one sows to the spirit ... that is where one reaps (harvests) Everything is a sowing & reaping Belief or unbelief

Fay Vietmeier To this I am in full agreement. Living to please other people is self-cheating for this shall never happen. People shall never like a person because of his external-showing behavior. These people deprive themselves from their authenticity as they forget people prefer the origin to the copy.

Fay Vietmeier IT just amazes me that all the Holy Books are consistent and say the same on the spirit and spiritual power. I am not denying this power- in fact, I am amazed by its extent. You, being definitely more spiritual than I, know better. This is why I call you "spiritual mentor".

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #53

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Edward Lewellen (continued) 3) People (especially in this day) tend to live in externals ... we have a bent to view people from the outside ... (the world largely gauges "success" by externals) But this is not God's way ... "For the Lord sees NOT as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.” 1 Samuel 16 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts." ~ Isaiah 55

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #52

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Edward Lewellen My dear Professor you say that you are "taken that .. our hearts are self-deceived" I am "taken" too my dear Professor ;~) .. please know I'm only a messenger reporting ... sharing what I believe to be TRUTH ... which is God's Word: "For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.'" ~ Hebrews 4 "The heart of the matter IS the matter of the HEART" How often do people stop to consider that the condition of their heart affects their ability to see & hear? 2) We have been gifted free will. Human beings take their own path ... make their own decisions (right or wrong ... good or bad) They may even sincerely think they're "right" ... but sincerity is not a test of TRUTH "There is a way that SEEMS right to a man, But its end is the way of death." ~ Proverbs 14:12

Fay Vietmeier Oh dear mentor- how deep your spirit to say "Being governed by "emotions" or feelings is following the "flesh" Following flesh- so deep and thorough Please add this to your famous Oyster file

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #50

John Rylance Where is your "quotable quotes archive" I'm savouring this phrase. "Simply cosmetics to beautify our personas." ... This is the requirement of living in externals ... and a mirror that only reflects what you tell it "Mirror, mirror on the wall ... who the most beautiful of all? "Deep down we don't own these beliefs" ... prompted me to ask: Deep down ... do we really want to know TRUTH?

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #49

Harvey Lloyd Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Harvey Lloyd hit upon a key: "No one is looking at the seeds planted that brought forward this line of thinking." "offer a path of healing" Seek to understand before being understood (this is a two way street) To understand how we got here ... we have to understand all the "seeds" planted along the way ... how they have taken root ... how to become more aware ... more awake to TRUTH (for this is compass of understanding ... and path of real reconciliation) You rightly say: "our values are so important in deciding our habits and thinking patterns" Which begs the question all human beings should ask: What do I VALUE? (collectively what do we VALUE?) JUSTICE is a cry of the human heart no matter where you call "home" At its ROOT, the cause of FEAR and misunderstanding is SPIRITUAL The enemy of our soul, Satan is the one who uses fear and division as his weapon ... over and over and over again Why? Because it is effective ... it works EVERY time

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #48

Jerry Fletcher Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee you say: "emotional thinking" is prevailing. You can see the outcomes of "emotional thinking" ... playing out on the "news" "emotional thinking" produces lawlessness and rebellion (being in control is the challenge) The spirit man is subject to the Spirit ... under the authority of the Holy Spirit Being governed by "emotions" or feelings is following the "flesh" ... often reactionary ... often with out regard to being under authority (God or government) ... human thinking ... humans being ;~) very COMPLEX ... so much to understand

Fay Vietmeier Dear Fay, the spiritual professor, I am taken by "our hearts are self-deceived" Is this what fails us from realizing our self-identity and core values? Is it possible for non-spiritual people to ever realize their self-identity? Maybe our doctor Edward Lewellen gave an answer. These question are "stormy" ones because they agitate non-spiritual people.

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #46

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee my dear Professor ... I too SMILE ... on the thought of reading your next post before you have published it if I offer a prescience insight it is from the Spirit ... it is unconscious ;~) that being: On intentions: People might be able to hide their heart-intentions from other people … even from themselves. But not from God. He alone knows the intentions of human hearts … if they are genuine or not genuine … God knows. About "intentions" ... it is important to know that our hearts are self-deceived We may head in a certain direction with intent ... only to discover a different reality Thus: "good intentions pave the way to hell" ... I'm not that "young" ;~) ... my faith is "rooted" ... I am grafted in by Grace ... through belief on peace: I always encourage spending time with the Prince of Peace ... He is the giver of this gift ;~)

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Jerry Fletcher With emotions so high, I agree that "emotional thinking" is prevailing.

Jerry Fletcher

1 year ago #43

Dr. Ali, Rational thinking? Surely you jest. That is like pulling someone back from the edge after they have taken the dive. the human animal gets a positive chemical hit that is addictive from emotional behavior. So the idea of interceding is Aas my southern friends say, "That dog won't hunt." And so it goes.

Fay Vietmeier Now, I am in smiles my good friend. It is because what you said about intentions. Many times we intend to do something then to discover later that what we turned for good use turned against us. This is my almost finished draft for my next post titled "Simple Rules with Counter Effects". I give loads of examples in it of intentions that lost their way. Examples from family life and from work life. This is amazing because I just wonder how many times you read my next post before publishing it.

Fay Vietmeier Thank you dear Fay. you remind me of Khalif Omar who preyed more than 1300 years ago to God begging "to grant him the faith of old people". He realized the value of faith without any doubt. Their heart are at peace. You are young my dear, but your faith is rooted that you live in peace with yourself. You care for your health as much as your care for the health of your mind and heart.

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #40

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee (continued) On intentions: People might be able to hide their heart-intentions from other people … even from themselves. But not from God. He alone knows the intentions of human hearts … if they are genuine or not genuine … God knows. 2) "pearl-holder" ... in the dictionary: oyster filled file ;~)

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #39

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee “God is not mocked” … “a man reaps what he sows” “Sowing & reaping” is a Divine principle. It's a straight cause-and-effect principle. The principle is equally true whether you believe it or reject it. If we sow to the flesh: that is, do the things that appeal to our fleshly natures … seek to satisfy the desires of the flesh, we will reap accordingly. “What is seen is temporary” … these things will end or fade. On the other hand, if we sow to the Spirit: that is, do things that build up our spiritual lives … we will reap something that does not end … the implications are eternal. In the physical: A person indulges in overeating … does not eat healthy foods … does not exercise … may smoke, drink in excess or use harmful drugs … ignores well-being and then suffers health consequences. Yet this person fails to see the part they played in their own health decline. In the spiritual: Rather than “give us this day our daily bread” … we “starve at the Buffet Table of Life” meaning never open or read God’s Word … our thoughts are not edified with good nourishment … we neglect or completely ignore our spiritual well-being and then seem to be in wonder that negative consequences follow: fear, anxiety, lack of peace. These are inward … of the spirit so less visible. The principle of “sowing to the spirit” … is of the heart & spirit … it is heart-to-heart and Spirit to spirit.

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #38

Harvey Lloyd I have only begun to read your comments ... the first being on "fairness" So very well stated I will quote your wisdom in a poem I'm working on "Life is not fair" Thank you Harvey ... you are as "iron-sharpening-iron"

Fay Vietmeier My dear friend Fay, the truth is that your spiritual roots have penetrated the soil of trying to understand . Your nutrients which allowed you to grow deep and high are your spiritual beliefs. Yes, any things grows have roots. So, the ego too. I just wonder if any body has mentioned this before. Maybe this is another ideas for your famous oyster filled files.

Fay Vietmeier I mentioned in one of my comments that I miss your thoughts for all discussions missed the spiritual part of the post (myself included). So, dear spiritual mentor you are back with a powerful spiritual comment. I love the quote about deep roots and high trees. Yes, without solid of solid values we may never reach heights that all us to see beyond what we see today. Amazing is how you connected the poem of dormant seeds in such a relevant way. I am glad you are back my friend.

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #35

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee The path to peace: Seek to understand ... before you are understood. (this means others over self) Violence IS self-defeating. Sow what you want to harvest. Bitterness & brutality or gratitude & grace? We always get to choose You say: “Light and darkness co-exist anywhere and at any time.” They exist in our bodies. The shadow is mostly dark and the ego is light as it is the center of critical thinking and the question is to think about what? The answer is where you are focused ... that’s what you’ll think about. If “shadows” have roots ... so does the “ego” “They feed on what we store in their soils” This thought extends to ... They feed on what we store in our SOULS. Truth ... What you feed grows: Your body ... heart & mind … soul & spirit … darkness or light ... wrong or right

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #34

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee A rich post my dear Professor ... was away for a couple days so joining in this rich conversation is delayed. ... right & challenging thoughts unfolded here ... which I'm honored to share: hoping the light of wisdom be caught & ILLUMINATE 1) You say: "No tree may grow healthily without good roots." In the Bible, godly people are often likened to trees. “The branches of growing trees not only reach higher, but their roots grow deeper. It’s impossible for a strong tree to have high branches without having deep roots. It would become top-heavy and topple over in the wind.” Joni Eareckson Tada ~ Diamonds in the Dust Lines from “Awakening Dormant Seeds” In Light ... beauty is brought out. Those who grow highest ... can see the furthest ... this you can do too Psalm 1:1-3 "Blessed is the one who does not walk in step with the wicked or stand in the way that sinners take or sit in the company of mockers, but whose delight is in the law of the LORD, and who meditates on his law day and night. That person is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither— whatever they do prospers."

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #33

Great sorting of current events. I am reminded of the fact that we are asked in Biblical thought, under the second greatest commandment to love our neighbor. This establishes along with other biblical insight that each human is sacred regardless of behavior. Sacredness is fundamental, behavior is emergent. Media and politics have reversed this understanding. You can be sacred if your behaviors represents our ideals. A crushing weight lifted by Jesus, man has placed upon us. Humanities sacredness is not because of the culture we hail, color of skin or religion. Identity politics separates all who are sacred into a hierarchy to be mislead. All under the guise of justice and care. I am reminded of the slight of hand in the garden and eve’s manipulation. Branding and manipulation has been with us for a long time. It is only more recently that it has been weaponized. Humans are sacred because God (and Constitution) says so, not because a media group or political group cares more than the other. Ned was spot on when he stated the scene in the video reflected malevolence. But malevolence can be defined by many sources. In your comment you attribute the definition to the one and only source that offers hope in a world of good and evil.

These discussion shows the value of feedback and how a comment invites for another good comment. We all benefit as we emerge as winners. It is a win-win dialogue such as this one between Harvey Lloyd Bravo to both friends

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #31

I enjoyed your comment and if i could, would like to extend the thoughts. Specifically your last sentence and the use of the word malevolence. I believe we all want to be able to point a finger at the problem and seek solution. Unfortunately the ...ism standards are the smoke and mirrors used by politicians to perpetuate the administrative nanny state. Evil will be with us until that day i believe we are both aware. Each day many folks find themselves in situations much like the video displayed, not performed by authority as we recognize it but by street authorities. We see this each day in our business, as we work with at risk youth. America since Truman and Johnson has elected to remove nurture aspects of humanity and replace it with nature. The persistent war on poverty has undercut the Biblical underpinnings of service to others. Government has become a god, with all the tyrannical and goodness that comes packed in a space where good and evil persist. If we are to point a finger at anything/one it must be the citizens/me who have elected officials that have wielded evil within identity politics. We are humans, living in a world that is prone to both good and evil. We can not sort this out ourselves but only through beliefs that are shared/taught/actionable. The ...isms are all distractions in the name of justice, separating us from God. A Man walked this earth with a full sense of how the world ought to be. We know the choices of humanity in that situation. The shared beliefs of this nation are embodied in our Constitution. A great place to start.

Ned McDonnell Your comments here and on LinkedIn are just great my friend Ned. Your comment along with those of our good friend Edward Lewellen #28 and #29 are well-integrrated. The charged issue of race discrimination needs immediate attention. People react emotionally and the conflict might escalate rapidly and spread like fire in a dry woods. Amazingly, we know the solutions and the values that counter racism. However; it seems abiding by them is the issue. We need to be more self-aware of our wrong beliefs and assumptions and define the root causes of why we behave the way we do. I believe we, many of us, don't own the values of treating people with care, justice and fairness as Harvey Lloyd emphasized in his comments. Knowing them isn't enough acting within their spirit is what we lack. I hope the recent events be the awakening ones for the values we have only stored in books and not deeply rooted in us.

Edward Lewellen My friend- you are not promoting your book. You are referencing a valuable book that even since four years passed since my first reading of it it is still anchored in my mind. Riots are times of inflating intentions. These are the difficult time we need to refer back to our core values. We are paying high prices for ignoring our core identities. I hope not till too much water has passed under the bridge.

Dear friend Edward Lewellen What surprises me most is that all religions treat people equally based on their obedience to God.The four corners of Love (love for your neighbor what you love for yourself), wisdom, power that treats people with justice and love make sense and anchoring by them generates care and fairness. This shall eradicate the roots of hatred and increase the social cohesion. You put a smile on my face. This is because of "Yet, in most cases, behind the bad behavior is a good intent".I am searching intentions and how to probe into them and measure them because the Lady Carrie P. Cohen commented on this post on LinkedIn . In one of her several comments she wrote "Before you do business with anyone, research and ask questions that will reveal their their true intentions".

Joyce \ud83d\udc1d Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee Thank you for your shared links which are quite informative and also for resharing the post

: Edward Bernays : on Propaganda and Public Relations ::

I am eager to read responses for this comment from both friends Jerry Fletcher

Jerry Fletcher There were many people in those cities engaged in peaceful protests. They were overwhelmed by those supplied with bricks and organized medical supplies. The violent were arrested and then released so they could rejoin "peaceful" protests. The damned world has gone mad and people are not even questioning the most profound liars among us--those employed by Mainstream Media. Edward Bernay [the coiner of the term public relations] was Sigmund Freud’s nephew. Prior to his role in PR, the process was called brainwashing. During Obama signed into law usage of the media for propaganda. If nothing else you should remember, we'reallinthistogether, we'reallinthistogether, we'reallinthistogether, we'reallinthis...

One aspect that has not been discussed here or on LinkedIn is the spiritual role of controlling and even preventing such riots from recurring. I wonder what our friend Fay Vietmeier would say.

Jerry Fletcher Yes, you are right. The silent majority with its passiveness gives extra weight to the voices of rioters. Indeed. I am an outsider and I base my thoughts on repeated patterns of similar events. The cost of the riots went very high and many innocent people got hurt by the violent acts. It is time to reconsider the root causes and how to stop such events from recurring. These events are chaotic and out of control and seriously inflated by emotions taking sides. We need to think rationally..

Jerry Fletcher

1 year ago #21

Dr. Ali, Thank you for an outsider's viewpoint about the riots in the United States. As a friend said on the phone the other day. the murder of a black man in Minnesota seems to have been a tipping point. People in the big cities walked into their downtown to peacefully protest this outrageous behavior. And then a few men and women began taunting and throwing things at the police doing their job. Those few generated riots, Tagging buildings. Breaking windows on closed stores and businesses. Looting. Breaking he windshields of cars on the routes to their depradations. They may have been carefully conscripted and supplied.It is the few and their manipulators that are the problem here not the many who wanted to render an opinion. If we are to change this behavior we need to concentrate on the silent majority. Those that did not protest and did not demand that rioters be caught, tried and submitted for mental adjustment. Until we can motivate that majority any effort to change the current climate will fail. Human nature is such that aberrant behavior must come to a nadir before an individual an "see the light." If so, some of the posts I've seen from businesses and individual in support of the protestors suggests we may collectively be close to that low point. And so it goes.

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee You might also want to take a gander at this in which We the People are the enemy: Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars

I shared this post on LinkedIn. It has generated twenty powerful comments so far. If you are interested, the link is

John Rylance Thank you for your re-share my friend.

Joyce \ud83d\udc1d Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee Thank you for sharing this great link/ It is illuminating. I am still reading, but your comment deserves an immediate response.

John Rylance i am privileged and elevated by your comment. Thank you dear friend.

Will check today Thanks for your sharing it Joyce \ud83d\udc1d Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee

John Rylance

1 year ago #14

Thanks I'm savouring this phrase. Simply cosmetics to beautify our personas. Its noted in my quotable quotes archive

I recommend all read this. It was written 10 years ago by the Rockefeller Foundation. I think page 19 you'll find the starting page of Lockstep, which notes a pandemic and all its frills. People really need to wake up. Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development We are headed [very quickly I might add] to an imposed, North Korea type society that will encompass the globe. If that's what people want? Who am I to say they can't have it.

#11 Why indeed

Good point, but why many people responded so fast? Isn't this worthy of further consideration?

John Rylance Inspiring comment my friend The answer to your question is in part covered in my previous comment addressed to Harvey Lloyd "The answer is out there, but I'm not sure where". Fairness, justice and care are needed for all and to be firmly rooted and not simply cosmetics to beautify our personas. They have to turn into actions so that the credibility of leaders may be restored. They say then what they do. It is this consistency that is creating so many social gaps.

Many of these riots were orchestrated. Bricks were stacked in key areas and people were directed via apps. There are many available videos.

John Rylance

1 year ago #8

"Deep down we don't own these beliefs" I look at current society witness and listen to how Leaders are dealing with each crises as it arises, and how those around them react, both in body language and speech, and wonder do you truly believe in what your being told and asking others to do. I suspect in many cases the answer is not really, they don't truly own each belief. There is a saying we can't change, what we don't have influence over. It appears we have little positive influence over current events, neither does it appear some Governments. There is so much wrong with the world today so much negativity, we can't see "The wood for the trees" The answer is out there, but I'm not sure where.

Harvey Lloyd I find myself compelled to share a small part of your last message to me. In it you wrote "Inside a meeting if everyone is sorting their fears out through their persona then solution or the distance between A-B gets stretched. If the majority of the attendees are seeking understanding before they apply their fears then the distance between A-B gets shortened". You alerted me to the fact that not only the corona virus that leads to "social distancing". What is more disturbing is the the social distancing resulting from your message because of fear and the like are more effective than the virus and the more distanced we are, the less we are bonded. Social justice, care and fairness if are absent then a culture of fear emerges. So, the meetings aren’t of the individuals, but in reality it is the values in their shadows that are. The result is the erosion of social capital and dark societies that dive more in the ocean of chaos.

Harvey Lloyd It is not a coincidence that I only quoted Martin King. It is a reminder of our lost values. It is not only in the USA as it spread to many parts of the globe. The Arab Spring resulted from a street vegetable seller who set himself on fire protesting his ban from doing street trading. In reality, it was the lost feeling of justice, fairness and caring by the authority then. What you profoundly explained for the USA is extensible to many parts of this chaotic world. Only if leaders would absorb your comment and the value of the heritage that people like Marin King planted we may have any hope.

Harvey Lloydey Great and comforting comment yours is my friend. Yes, when reviewing the quotes by many wise people and notably those of @Martin Luther Ling. Jr. I realized the magnitude of the cosmetic societies we live in. Cosmetic values that are words that do not turn into actions because they are not rooted in our soils. I take this opportunity to mentioned that I plan to publish as soon as my thoughts mature on the exchanges of messages I have had recently with you about the ego and shadow and how our values are so important in deciding our habits and thinking patterns. I still have an issue or two to resolve before I publish.

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #4

As to the riots....... This is the result of decades of building identity politics. America is slowly reverting back into tribal thinking. Trust is lost as the system has sought to separate citizens into groups based on branding efforts in voting. What i saw on that video made me sick. Officials representing the government perpetrated and watched while citizens videoed. If there was ever a time to riot as a citizen it was that moment. Another human was under tyranny. The riots we are experiencing post event are merely pent up beliefs that need expressing. These beliefs were planted dating back to President Johnson’s administration. The administrative nanny state grew its roots. Now we are experiencing the generational blooming of such policies. This is an emergent behavior. But we see many in media, politics spinning these events to their own advantage. No one is looking at the seeds planted that brought forward this line of thinking. We need the voice of Mr. King to shame those who have exacted these political identity groups on us while offer a path of healing. But with the advent of internet media it is difficult to hear truth with all the noise. Your post is a great look at the history of success presented by Mr. King

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #3

Awesome quotes and thoughts. No one wins once the law of subtraction is implemented in society. We can not subtract out all the humans that cause the problems. Eventually the planet will be left with just one person alive. The belief that fairness justice can be obtained is mythical at best and destructive at its worst. These concepts are works in progress that each day we work through. No one has walked in my shoes. So on balancing out fairness justice it is a process not a right subscribed by someone else. Each point must be lived by those individauls engaged. We can not legislate morality. We must believe in the sanctity of life and do our best each day to find the balance in fairness and justice. The system is organized with a net with large holes. To catch the most egregious acts of a few who choose to not balance the fairness/justice equation. Above that it is up to each of us to work within the framework of service to one another as Mr. King subscribed.

Thank you dear Debasish Majumder for being always of appreciated attention and action

Debasish Majumder

1 year ago #1

Great buzz sir Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee! enjoyed read and shared. thank you for the buzz.

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