The Deep Dark Forces

The Deep Dark Forces

Do you know the deep dark forces operating inside you and advance you to the rear? Do you know where they hide in the corners of your body making your life struggling to move forward only to find yourself moving backwards?

These dark forces are driving your life without control. This is like driving the steering wheels of a car forward when there is a hidden wheel secretly hiding in the back of the car and drive you in the opposite direction. You make fruitless effort to move forward and only find yourself driving to the rear? This happens to all of us.
Ali Anani

I want to start with a very simple scientific fact to explain later what I mean of what I have said so far. A black object absorbs light and does not reflect it. One way to study dark materials is to expose them to light. The black body absorbs the energy from light source and the black body heats up. The black body heats the trapped air in the test tube as the image below shows. In turn, the black body heats up the trapped air, which then causes the air to make sound.

Β The relationship between the light wavelength and intensity of the sound help us understand the dark material and penetrate inside it to see its internal structure.

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This is what we experience in life. As we grow up we find that we may suffer from parents who fill our hearts with fear. Or, we were always criticized for being stupid and that we shall never succeed in life. These plans dark emotional forces in us and these solidify into a dark cork that allows no light in, but fortunately may heat the air in our chests to generate sound that shall expose our internal fears and the need to deal with them. Remember that the sound you hear inside you is the shadow of your internal dark feelings as Carl Jung describes them. Transparent feelings don’t produce shadow and only dark and semi-dark feelings solidify into a dark body that gives a shadow. Thus, dark feelings give us a shadow to better our understanding of them.

The light source is asking the proper questions to reveal the root causes of our fears. To seek our comfort, we sweep away our negative feelings only to gain momentum with time and change the directions of our lives. The shadow we get shall not be straight if the cork is crocked. If our feelings are crocked, so shall be our shadow. We need to straighten the cork, to straighten our lives. Our persona to appear to the world the way we wish shall be negated by the hidden driver in the rear of the car steering you to what you don’t wish to be.Β 

The shadow is a psychological term for everything we can’t see in ourselves. To restore balance, we need to accept the self-shadow and understand it so that their corks may produce musical sounds to our ears.

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I have had great exchanges of messages with Harvey Loyd. I plan to write an e-book based on those messages. For now, I shall share (having got the approval of Harvey to do so) some of the observations that the shadow drive us to hear the shadow of their dark sounds. Harvey highlighted the value of observing our self-shadow, conclude from what we observe and then find a solution to the problem. I will just add here with observe we need to ask why to arrive at the right conclusions.

If an author comments on a buzz without offering a solution or a hint for one. We know then this author may be confused, and he/she projects his confusion to the world. The shadow-self is steering the author to confuse others as he/she is confused. Unless the author admits his confusion and deals with it to find a solution his comments will continue to be confusing. The dragons within the shadow-self shall continue to have the steering of the wheels of his/her life.

If somebody thinks he is ugly he shall live in the fear of approaching beautiful girls. He shall have the tendency to look for ugliness in what he reads, he observes, he senses because he is comfortably living in this ugliness. This shall project differently on his persona and widely different of what he tries to be in the eyes of others.

Your life depends on what you store beliefs and axioms in the hidden side of shadow-self. Beware of this wagon driver sitting in the back seat. The dragon is dancing to the sound of your dark forces stored in you.

Acknowledgement- it is with great appreciation that I acknowledge the exchange of messages with Harvey Lloyd. His insight reflects his beautiful persona to the world. He has the courage to observe, conclude and find solutions or suggest ones. He has helped me dig deep into my own shadow-self.


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Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#77
I shall dedicate my next buzz to you and you shall know why when I publish dear Clau Valerio. A huge hug for you

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#73
Roberto De la Cruz Utria- reading your comment I felt filled with joy for your prescription is almost perfect. Thank you

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#72
Absolutely and these dark dragons live within us- either we tame them; else- you know what dear Clau Valerio. We need to clear our mind cache to control these dragons.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#69
Very sound my dear Clau Valerio- we say in Arabic "one thousand enemies outside the house is better than one enemy inside the house". I may say "one thousand obstacles outside the self is better than one obstacle inside the self". Well-said my friend.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

2 years ago #62

#68
I dont disagree with the view as a parlor trick. But the MB allows us to actualize a very complex concept. Superficial, yes. But given the alternatives, it does give some value to discourse.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

2 years ago #61

#61
That is a part of Carl Jung that i most like - that he was focused on the human condition at such a tremendous depth. I know that you said you were INTJ but I place less stock in Myers-Briggs because within the first few pages of Psychological Types, Jung said he left the Types discussion to the end of the book because the focus of his work was not the types itself and indeed he warned that we should not as he put it play "childish parlour games" with types. Now on Myers-Briggs I come out as an INTP and apparently INTP's are characterized as people who say they reject formulations but still write a tremendous amount about being an INTP :-)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#66
Dear Deb\ud83d\udc1d Lange, Brand Ambassador @beBee- I believe it is both words the physical and the virtual. For some people, the virtual is far less important than the physical, but at least they keep their footage. For me, both are important because I get the opportunity of exchanging thoughts with people across the globe. Physical it gives me the feeling of proximity and more living attractions. Yes, as I said before, I am against separation thinking and I am more for this and that rather than this or that. Great to talk to you again. You know I mean what I say.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#64
I appreciate and accept the wholeness of your comment. I am using the brad metaphor for it is a basic commodity and i have ideas to expand on it. I shall surely benefit from your comment. I the egg whiten is what holds the cake together. The same with bread it is one ingredient that makes bread what it is. What each ingredient presents is the point I intend to share and then reflect on humans.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

2 years ago #58

#62
I have used the ingredients of the "cake" in many presentations. Although flour is the largest ingredient is it the most important? Each ingredient plays a role in the cake. Depending on the endeavour the cake is to engage, ingredients change. The flour brings mass to the cake while flavors and colors bring visual recognition and remembrance of our own past. Sugar in its varying forms and colors brings the sense of taste to the endeavour. The egg is what binds all of it together so that it will stand up to the endeavour. The smallest major component is the egg and represents leadership in this context. The egg is what determines how well the other ingredients join forces within the cake and its intended purposes.. Make no mistake though, every ingredient is important, regardless of purpose, role or size. If you are to be the egg, then be a good one. We should not concern ourselves with measuring each ingredients value within the whole. We should measure our efforts from where we stand to be what is needed so the rest of the ingredients can perform their best.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

I think the last four comments are of interest to Randall Burns. My next buzz I would love to read your thoughts on this discussion.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

I am looking for a title for my next buzz and you inspired me with one (if it makes sense). I haven't firmed up my focus as I am considering different thoughts. One idea is cooking an art or science or both? Why following procedures (recipes) can be unwise? What do we learn from the kitchen? Flour as a metaphor for creativity. Now, the title "Ideas on the roost" sounds interesting for me because it goes well with your comment "A human endevour is a human endevour. Sports, professional or social it all comes to roost when we require different skills and knowledge within a task.". Creativity is a skill and science and it is a human endeavor. The paths differ, but at the end their is a roost to which all come. Yes, when we realize this simple fact no wonder our endeavors in sports or in business share a roost.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

2 years ago #55

#60
A human endevour is a human endevour. Sports, proffesional or social it all comes to roost when we require different skills and knowledge within a task. The core of humanity is humans attempting to find individaul meaning while surviving. The wealth we have experienced within the world over the last century has added a bunch of layers to this basic concept. Wealth is not bad but it has caused us to raise the bar of survival. Survival these days includes the very materialistic aspects of proffesional growth. Jung was retaining a very ancient story of the core beliefs of humanity. Wealth was neither bad or good. Just luggage stacked upon existance that seemed to be clouding our view.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#59
I have just quoted part of your comment Harvey Lloyd latest buzz: https://www.bebee.com/producer/@cityvp/upside-downside#c7 It is amazing how the discussions here are pertinent to many facets of our lives and surely soccer is one of them.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

2 years ago #53

#58
If we look at and reduce human relationships to some simplistic view....We could state that upon meeting someone we are asking how much can i trust you? The level of trust we need is based on the activity we are engaged. The higher the risk the more trust we require. In a very post modern way we use various understandings to get to the level of trust we need. Where were you born, schools attended or maybe social media following. There are many more where we give instant trust or close ourselves off, based on these understandings. These have some merit. MB or the shadow self requires us to spend time with individuals to understand their motivations. I believe this is the key to success. It is the harder road to travel but offers us a better understanding of the knowledge and skill application of the team member. We can always find smart, skilled and knowledgable folks. The question is can we motivate them to share a journey with the rest of the team. This depends largely on if we can harness them within a win-win structure.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#57
This is a topic worthy of exploring and you surely tempt me to do so.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

2 years ago #51

#56
We all find ourselves in front of others with thoughts that may help them on their journey. These thoughts come by warning thoughts, disipline thoughts or challenging thoughts. I use the word thought because it is that moment before we open our mouths. I believe the langauge has changed in our present world and words like EQ/EI (Emotional Intellegence) are the cover words and point towards a disciplined shadow self. It would be quite difficult to develop EI if our shadow self was not in harmony with this concept. We can attempt to work through these skills within our ego, but the shadow will drag us back to our own axioms. The surface level view of the Jung thoughts carry us to the MB (Meyers-Briggs) understanding of personalities. Not so much to produce a label for self but rather the deeper understanding that each of us has our shadow self we work. This is what leadership is coordinating into a team. In the end a leader will need to marshal the troops towards a shared end. Complex task. The way to harness maximum energy is to understand the shadow self concept. Either at the level of Jung or at a minimum of the MB styled types.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#46
It is fitting that you mention Harvey Lloyd the leaders and their forces in dealing with the shadow-self, the egos of their teams if they are to lead with results. I am thinking on this because this is a role by leaders that has been neglected and I hardly find a reference on leadership mentioning this. I might be wrong, but I am talking about what I experienced. I am sure you have many more deep thoughts on this topic.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#54
Dear Cyndi wilkins who wrote recently a moving buzz on this topic, and you extend the buzz, as well as this buzz, with your comment. The source of pain can be found often in the dark hiding devils inside us. The health of our bodies, our souls and our minds shall improve accordingly. You made the buzz easier to understand and grab its purpose.

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

2 years ago #48

Ahhh...Lovely buzz Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee...The 'shadow-self' is our deep, dark friend....Simply put, they are the needs that have never been met...the sadness that has never been expressed...the buried and left for dead emotions that have been locked away in solitary confinement for days. weeks...and for most of us, decades. They are the ones we put on drugs because we don't want to deal with them...Shame on you medical establishment...you are the 'abscess' of the human race...a long history of medicating the very pain in need of being felt and expressed in order to heal. If we will just allow ourselves the full expression of emotional release of that hurting part of us...our 'shadow- selves...we will begin to recognize the messages our spirit has long been crying out for our attention. When we are willing to sit with compassion for all the pain that we have ever felt, and not run away from it, we free ourselves, mind body and spirit of all emotional suffering...The 'shadow-self' then fills with light...healing the pain of the past that ends the pain we feel in our present...and creates for us a fresh canvas to paint a new 'pain free' future;-)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#52
Your thoughtful sharing of the buzz Harvey Lloyd reminds me of the complexity of the human behavior. Can fully fully understand this behavior? This is a daunting task that takes a life journey.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

2 years ago #46

Learning about self can really add fuel to leaderships most dynamic skills. Dr. Ali begins a discussion about the concepts Jung put forward a few years ago. These are exciting and challenging concepts of why we behave the way we do.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#50
I concur with your statement "This would be substantiated within a few quick trials of attempting win-win verses choosing win lose or lose win". In chaos we need to find what works through trial and error. I shall elaborate more on this in a buzz.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

2 years ago #44

#47
Not so much balanceing as it is choosing. If we elect to take the journey and understand the shadow axioms then we explore the basis of our ego. Should we chose not to then our ego is managed by the persona interstate with others. My boss may show a persona where i need to change my ego basis of execution, in an effort to align personas. This would represent the chaos within ego. I must have many different ego self, depending on existencial circumstances. Whereas if ego is executed around axioms my ego is set within an orthodoxy and i need not change the persona to adapt my ego within social or proffesional settings. This would be substantiated within a few quick trials of attempting win-win verses choosing win lose or lose win. My comments were meant to establsih that the shadow Jung refers is the one where we insert axioms and remove the ones that dont work for us. I was seeing a trend of langauge within comments that see darkness or shadow in the Freudian way. Jung didnt look at just present but the thousands of years of history that described the container he called the shadow. Neither negative or positive.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#46
Sometimes the ego prevents us from win-win thinking. This is putting things in order and has negative entropy. WE need to put effort to make this possible.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#45
My pleasure dear Debasish Majumder

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#44
Very deep thoughts here Harvey Lloyd. The shadow of our values and axioms rest under ego. More interesting for me, is that if the opposite nature of our ego and shadow that if one is in order the other shall be chaotic and vice versa. SO much to assimilate her. Why wouldn't they of the same structure? Is it a balancing act? I am pondering on this one. .

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

2 years ago #40

We seem to be examining the negative of this shadow-darkness. In leadership when we become aware of the Jung concept we begin to understand the fundamental principal that our ego is motivated by our shadow selves. Let's place the love your neighbor/win-win concept within the shadow self. To the point of orthodox understanding. This would tell our ego that the lowest paid and the highest paid are equal, as an example. This would alter how our persona negotiates with all matters of our network. When a leader understands this concept a clear path of execution is seen and those he/she connects senses this shadow. Without this shadow concept we allow the ego to execute circumstantially. This creates a mine field of left over executions that were plaid out and we have to keep a map of our past. Leaders cross through the same territory at many levels. Without the axiom or shadow concept they treat it differently each time.

Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

2 years ago #39

thank you very much sir Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee by highlighting wonderful buzz of @Chris R Guest! and thank you for the tagging sir.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

2 years ago #38

I am enjoying the commentary on the dark or shadow concepts. I would add though that the darkness as seen by social interaction positive/negative is more ego centric. The shadow that Jung discussed is the chosen or hidden values our ego sets atop. These values can be orthodox or chaotic in nature. Amazingly if the shadow is chaotic then our ego tends to be orthodox in nature. The opposite is true if the shadow self is orthadox. There is one thing assured. Chaos can be found within the human as they stride through life. The question largely is which one would i rather be orthadox? Shadow or ego? The darkness of the ego is where we see the depravity of man or the humanity of existance. Our shadow is that place we hold axioms such as love your neighbor or the later version of this win-win. Our ego will follow this axiom to the best of its ability. So what if the shadow self is nialistic? The axiom may be that mankind is depraved and needs to be cleansed of itself. The ego now becomes a tool of destruction. These are shown as extreme ends of how our shadow works. The shadow is something we need to bring into the light. The challenge here is that our ego having operated in a stable environment (According to ourselves) doesnt like change. So it challenges these shadow styled changes.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#42
You share a very relevant example. Spot on

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Chris \ud83d\udc1dR Guest. https://www.bebee.com/content/2468357/1759459 A lovely mini buzz to enjoy.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#39
I truly enjoyed your comment Chris \ud83d\udc1dR Guest. You remind me of a personal story. Back and after finishing my PhD I met with a girl whom I was attracted to. I considered engaging to her. One day she said that she hates yellow colors and that blue was her most adorable color. Next day I wore s a faint yellow shirt with blue stripes. How she reacted was amazing. She criticized me with brutal words. She saw the side that she hated and ignored the blue stripes that she liked. Why she hated yellow color was her problem to find out. I wanted to examine how she reacted to the things she hated. That was the end of my relations. She saw the "darkness on the edge my love". She could have said "even though I don't like yellow colors you made me change my mind about yellow colors". Our hate to a certain thing reflects in our behaviors and for some people stronger than the things we like. Why do we allow darkness to win?

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

"Apparently, one way to uncover our dark side is by paying attention to the traits that bother us in others. Interesting"!. This is the focal point dear Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic. What we project on others is what we fear to show about ourselves. One way to discover the hidden dark forces in us is to see how we react to others. As the lovely quote you mentioned "gold is in the dark".

Lada 🏑 Prkic

Lada 🏑 Prkic

2 years ago #33

#30
Ali, for me it's hard to comment on something such incredibly complex as a human psyche without having the knowledge on a particular subject matter, based only on exploring some articles on the web or explaining everything with fractal nature (although there are some surveys that refuse the notion that the universe is fractal). :-) As far as I understand, shadow-self is characterised by both unfavourable and ruinous attitudes but also by good qualities - normal instincts and creative stimuli. I think Manjit wrote about it. Apparently, one way to uncover our dark side is by paying attention to the traits that bother us in others. Interesting! I read one intriguing thought by Jung about acknowledging our shadow and its gift, β€œThe gold is in the dark.” I would also like to hear what some trained psychoanalyst has to say about it.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

The chain of ideas started to form. CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit wrote a beautiful buzz "Shadow Being": https://www.bebee.com/producer/@cityvp/shadow-being In this buzz, which is worthy of your reading time, Manjit discusses several issues, including the difference between shadow In another stretch of the ideas is presented by a lovely poem by dear Debasish Majumder DARK OR LIGHT, HOW WE JUDGE ITS MIGHT?" https://www.bebee.com/producer/@debasish-majumder-ambassador-bebee-com/dark-or-light-how-we-judge-its-might "Light has a force to adduce Dark only threaten us to ruse I wonder who actually trigger us to go rear and decelerate A light requires no medium to act upon us only to stimulate

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#34
amen and Kudos to you Franci\ud83d\udc1dEugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador for your succinct comment

Franci 🐝Eugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador

I feel one needs to come face to face with their self-shadow. How else can we replace those dark sounds with harmonious melodies unless we orchestrate our thoughts? Those dark-side stowed beliefs creep in and out of our lives without an invitation causing disruption. Even our awareness may not be enough to fend off our own dark forces. I'm dittoing your comment Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee - The challenge is to admit the dark forces and deal with them accordingly.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#29
Thank You Kevin Baker

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#28
Woe! Thank you CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit and I shall read your buzz as soon as I have finished responding to the remaining comment. Eager to read your thoughts.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#27
Very well-said dear Joanne Gardocki. I concur with what your wrote "The questions draw me to answer from my own experience if I am speaking or thinking in negatives (I will not, I can't) I am resisting a block or shadow. I need to find a way to be curious about the situation and create better options or at the very least integrate and allow". This is the issue we all face and ignoring the dark forces means we are afraid of them. Like dogs that smell the fearful guys and chase them, so are the dark forces if they smell that we afraid, they shall"bite us".

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#25
Thank you dear Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic and I edited to correct for my mistake. I meant absorbs and not doesn't absorb. I intended to write doesn't reflect. What Carl Jung called the shadow-self is the past and dark experiences that hide in us. As much as I agree with you that we need the darkness; also it is staying in the darkness for long times will just freeze us or move us backwards. The challenge is to admit the dark forces and deal with them accordingly.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

2 years ago #25

Rather than take this thread on a huge sidetrack, I have written a new buzz (as a part of my Paradox Wisdom series) called "Shadow Being" which you can find here https://www.bebee.com/producer/@cityvp/shadow-being

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#25
I shall respond again dear Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic. Surely, black bodies absorb light and convert it to heat. I shall edit the error if typed carelessly. Thank you for alerting me. I shall comment again later tonight.

Lada 🏑 Prkic

Lada 🏑 Prkic

2 years ago #23

Dear Ali, first I would point out an unintentional error in the text. Namely, a black object absorbs light; it absorbs all wavelengths of light and converts them into heat, so the object gets warm. Contrary to white objects which reflect all wavelengths of light. Because I am not so familiar with Psychology, I was searching for some further explanations of the term you mentioned, shadow-self. According to the Jungian Model of the psyche, what Jung called the Shadow is not without purpose or merit and has an important role to play in balancing the overall psyche. Light and dark are necessary for our personal growth. He believed that without a well-developed shadow side, a person can easily become shallow and extremely preoccupied with the opinions of others, a walking Persona. It is such an interesting topic that you bring in this post and like the human psyche has several layers. :-)

Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

2 years ago #22

#23
with my little ability i only enamored by magnesium, whether in plants or human D.N.A. its intriguing role is an enigma to me, endorsing hydrogen for its grand intriguing manifestation and chemical synchronicity! i wish you can comfortably decipher its mystic hegemony sir Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#22
Dear Debasish- I shall spare sometime to do my research. I did a very quick search and this is my first important reference: It has long been known that molecular hydrogen is a physiologically inert gas. ... Because of its low molecular weight, hydrogen can easily diffuse across the blood-brain barrier, which allows it protects cells against degeneration and improves brain function. Molecular Hydrogen and its Potential Application in Therapy of Brain ... https://www.omicsonline.org/.../molecular-hydrogen-and-its-potential-application-in-the...

Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

2 years ago #20

#21
diamond decay as well brain sir Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee, the most intriguing simile, unlike gold! and i guess, there is no scope to speculate that its price too will reduce.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#20
When it comes to the brain I have to learn more about its chemical activity. I shall research this soon dear Debasish Majumder. To turn coal into diamond is a very challenging process; else the price of diamond shall fall down rapidly. into into diamond this is a very challenging reactions. If it were not diamond prices shall fall down sharply. As for the shadows that confuse us they may do. The shadow self is an example of a shadow that if we ignore we run into problems and chaotic lives. Will be thinker deeper of your comment later tonight

Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

2 years ago #18

I wonder, grey matters of our brains are really grey or blue, because after reducing of hydrogen it can turn into red! i wonder how hydrogen plays the determining role to determine the colors as well shadow! are we really responsible to beckon shadow? it is the external condition which make an impact to our cerebral. besides, shadow always hinder us as well confuse, precisely in the desert, which you must be aware better than anybody else. A person when consume alcohol he feels drowsy but not sleeps and i guess hydrogen too plays an intriguing role not allowing the hydrogen to reduce. besides, dark coal only having the capacity to eventually appear diamond! your buzz itself a diamond, more one may concentrate, more he will be enriched! wonderful buzz indeed sir Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee! enjoyed read and shared. thank you for the buzz sir.

Liesbeth Leysen, MSc. beBee Global Brand Ambassador

#15
very good!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#14
Lovely comment @BIll King and that the shadow surrounds us in other facets of life is a great addition to the discussions. This is the message I tried to convey in the post. Either we accept the shadow and deal with it to restore balance in our lives. Or, we allow it to drive our lives into chaos.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#13
You remind me of the spinning electrons Harvey Lloyd. If all are pointing up they shall be hungry to pair with other electrons that spin down. Bonds form this way. Having all the cards spinning up is not the satisfactory state.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#12
Pascal Derrien- teh dark side is there wjether we acknowledge it or not. Ignoring it shall make it stronger. Dealing with it and finding a way to balance our lives shall make us stronger. The choice is ours.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#10
Thank you . You encourage me to proceed with the ebook

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

2 years ago #12

#12
I like the card analogy. But sometimes we live life with the cards face-up only. If we live this way for so long it becomes increasingly difficult to flip it over. The joker shows up every once in a while to reminds us to look at the other side.

Pascal Derrien

Pascal Derrien

2 years ago #11

Its important to acknowledge, integrate or juggle with the deep dark. Its a fully integrated component that one has also to take on frontally and accept fully as a part of a persona whatever this might be. You cannot suppress it, its there and it will catch up with you and be dominant if you choose to be binary, its not one or the other its not a question of keeping it at bay I think its simply both sides of the same card. You can recognize ugliness and prefer beauty sometimes you may revert the choice. its about unbiased consciousness of both as long as you are aware of your choices its fine ….. well most of the time :-)

Liesbeth Leysen, MSc. beBee Global Brand Ambassador

put light over the deep dark

Liesbeth Leysen, MSc. beBee Global Brand Ambassador

so adore this topic Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee look forward to reading the e-book!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#8
Surprises can be happy ones Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris. I was thinking in terms of the dark forces that impede us moving forward.

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

I was expecting a Star Wars themed post, with light-saber fights and stuff, where the hero is challenged to join the dark side, etc. :-) Sometimes the plain facts are equally interesting though, as in this case.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#6
This is what pleased me because you share in it a glimpse of your experience. How do "read" the customers? What sounds they send that we should monitor? Yes, it isn't exact science, but the probability of success increases. There are many gems in your thirty years of experience and I am sure you have lot more to say.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

2 years ago #5

#5
I would probably be described better as an antagonist. Angels scare me as i dont think i could stand inside that concept without getting zapped pretty hard. What does the persona/behaviour i experience tell me about the shadow? This has been a thirty year journey where i seek answers only to find more questions. It has been the one challenge that has helped me understand my customers and networks. When we can tie back behaviours/persona to personality types or axioms then we can better interpret what is important to a customer or professional where we have risk. Most importantly it allows us to better understand if forward motion is even possible within the risk envelope. If someone sets upon a rock solid axiom that i know cant carry us forward or will be threatened by the forward motion, they will become a antagonist to the motion. I can choose this path as a learning experience for them and i chose to do this, the rest of the team doesnt. I can also chose to sideline the individaul because i need them preserved for other aspects of the goal. This is not an exact science so it can often be a wrong headed move. But this process keeps us from burring our heads in the sand.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#4
Thank you Harvey Lloyd for your contribution of this lovely comment. Yes, that was why I showed the persona and shadow-self pointing in two different directions. We tend to see our strengths and the traits that beautify our persona, when there is a devil sitting in the back seat driving us closer to the things that terrify us. I couldn't have written this buzz without your active participation and exchanges of messages with you. You are the angel sitting in the back seat and moving me forward.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

2 years ago #3

The shadow, soul or metaphysical existance is a challenging space to discuss. Amazingly we tend not to discuss this space as it is the birthplace of our thoughts, reactions and measurements of behavior. These conditions is how we have created our social networks, raised families and determined that we are in the right place of life. To open up the shadow and discuss the axioms that these things stand upon challenges our existance. I have found that it requires a new langauge and understanding of presentation. Often the shadow concept is interpreted by many as a persona. This is where a lot of confusion comes. When we speak to disruptive technologies, we can also speak in the same langauge when we discuss the shadow self. It is very disruptive. The concept of our shadow tends to cause a reach back of past experiences and re-evaluation, this is very disruptive. Thanks for the post and it is insightful as we discuss the axioms that we rely on to balance our world.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#2
Thank you dear @Lisa Lange (your name isn't highlighting). I missed your comments greatly. Yes, you are right and with shared willingness to learn from each other Harvey Lloyd and I myself are growing together. Some of the exchanges have to remain personal, but soon I shall share many of the ideas that we entertained. I shall leave out any personal issues, but I feel sharing some of our exchanges shall be of interest to many readers. I have had this relation for sometime with you Lisa, but then you disappeared from the stage. I look forward to learning from you.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Harvey Lloyd- you are mentioned in this buzz

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