The Fractals of Social Reflections

The Fractals of Social Reflections

One very interesting recent interesting finding only at the unattainable absolute zero K will a crystal shall be perfect. Perfection is unattainable. This ties up nicely with what Lisa Vanderburg wrote recently in her post Reflecting on reflections: 2020 vision. In my comment on this post I wrote โ€œIt is a lovely coincidence that you write on reflections, which is the topic of my most recent post and the forthcoming one.
I read a lot about paradoxes and wrote few posts on this topic. But, you bring to the readers' attention a new paradox. That is "We are the strangest creatures. We are anomalies. Incongruous with our wont. Inconsistent with our hope. Disingenuous, even to our own hearts.
Yet.....yet. We are perfect".
This is interesting and is worthy of further study. Like some paints they look better with some defaults in them. Defaults that beautify!!!

Our defaults in isolation may look bad, but is social structures that may be the imperfections that generate the beautiful social fractals.

Look at mirror leaves, neuron minds, materials and other societies that create fractals from their imperfections.

Let me give examples to explain all based on recent research findings.

MIT researches discovered a material with unexpected behavior. The material happens to be magnetic, though the orientation of its magnetism is not uniform throughout the material, but rather resembles a pieced together โ€œdomainsโ€. And guess what? The distribution of the domains has fractal structure with very few large domains, few medium domains and lots of small domains. It is this imperfection that makes the material unique.

This idea of domains exists in our brains. Research has established that there are mirror neurons in our brains. Yes, neutrons that reflect like mirrors do. These neurons are distributed in domains- some reflect light and others reflect other sensing such as hearing. Mirror neurons are the tiny neurological structures that fire both when we perceive action and take it, exposing the true social nature of the brain.

Maybe we are the two mirrors in a laser tube. They bouncing back of light between the two mirrors produce fractals. What you see in others is what you have. Others are the neurons mirrors for our behaviors. Likewise; what others see in us is the reflection of their true selves. It is a continuing process and I expect these reflections to form a fractal structure with few people dominating the scene. I also expect that the distribution of human behavior follows a power law and therefore has fractal structure.

Amazing society is the leaves that reflect sound similar to the way mirrors reflect light. These leaves act as mirrors reflecting sound. The bats feed on their insect preys, which hide in the leaves because the reflections from leaves would help them camouflage from the bats. It is changing the angle of perception that helped the bats approach the leaves from oblique angles to discover the hiding insects. Researches failed to see fractal formation in lasers for long times because they looked at them from the wrong angle. Bats have taught us a lesson- to change our perception to find new thoughts. This idea has been conveyed as well Lisa Morganweck. She commented on a recent post by me as follows โ€œThe sun reflecting off one shard of glass-at just the right angle- can light up a whole room. Donโ€™t under estimate the power and brilliance of what love can do -given just a sliver of a chanceโ€.

The tree leaves act as the neuron mirrors in our minds. The society of leaves may tell us a lot about the society of neuron mirrors in our heads. We are part of nature. Do these interactions lead to the generation of creative ideas that have fractal structures with very few of them dominating the scene? I guess the answer is yes.

Maybe every individual is an imperfect mirror. The social behavior is the fractal pattern that emerges from the interacting and bouncing back between these mirrors.


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Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#82
Thank you for your appreciation @mabel goodrich and happy that you find the post of help to you.

mabel goodrich

mabel goodrich

2 months ago #76

Thanks for your stunning sense of social fractals things. It has made me educated to rethink about social reflection on mainstream society. I have been working as a senior member at this https://flirtymania.plus/chatroulette-en.html and help people with connected with other people around the world. Thanks again for sharing this post.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#78
Dear Roberto De la Cruz Utria- I love comments that propel me to think. Your comment has just this effect on me. I am still thinking about the way you explained the formation of social fractals based on social efficiency. I need to reach the depth of your challenging comment.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#75
Yesterday we freeze time, and as a result I change its state from solid to liquid to give us what was inside today: โ€œRESULTS TO BE A CRYSTAL WATER FULL OF NUTRIENTSโ€ This is a main point in your comment dear Oswaldo Enrique Diaz Delgado and I truly enjoyed it.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#73
I am truly humbled by your very considerate comment dear friend Lisa Vanderburg. Million thanks

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

1 year ago #72

#72
You are tireless in your selflessness, dear Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee! Thanks for your stunning buzz upstairs; a priceless look into the upsurging fractal mind of Dr. Ali Anani, the authentic human galaxy!

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#68
I have just re-read your post dear Lisa Vanderburg on "Reflecting on reflections: 2020 vision" https://www.bebee.com/producer/@lisa-vanderburg/reflecting-on-reflections-2020-vision I wish all readers of this post will read yours as well. It is a masterpiece.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Fay Vietmeier wrote a great comment on my post "Creativity Sweet Zone": https://www.bebee.com/producer/@ali-anani/creativity-sweet-zone Fay wrote eloquently " ... I consider that conformation and a reflection of how the mirrors in our minds compliment one another". This was comment #55 I find this comment quite relevant here as well. My wind moved in different directions thinking about this comment. Somehow, it reminded me of silicon and compounds derived from it . Silicon- absorbs light because of its structural bands Silicon Dioxide- lacks the bans structure and absorbs light less efficiently than pure silicon Sand- is amorphous silicon dioxide and lacks the coherent crystal structure because of impurities . So, it mostly scatters light incoherently rather than absorb it. This also ties up nicely with the previous comments of Harvey Lloyd. There is a need to understand the reflection source and its purity. Structures and impurities affect the way light is reflected.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#69
And this post is built on a post by you dear Lisa Vanderburg

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

1 year ago #68

#66
You are an Architect, my friend. Your construct is what we build upon. And then I know how very small I am. But I like being small - the vantage point is huge!

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

1 year ago #67

#64
Delightful to meet you Fay Vietmeier! Yet, knowledge without discernment is just loveless. Wisdom, as you rightly say, encompasses all.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#64
In our selection of proverb, we actually select those proverbs that represents us. I find this quite true as this proverb apply to you dear Fay Vietmeier: in her left hand are riches and honor. Her ways are pleasant ways, and all her paths are peace.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#62
Even this important in writing posts that appeal to others and not only self " or I cannot recreate the same magic in written words that I had so vividly seen the night earlier", This is a gem of wisdom dear Lisa Vanderburg

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #64

#62
Well-being is well-doing Right-thinking produces right actions Wrong-thinking produces wrong-actions This principle is as sure as gravity โ€œbut fools despise wisdomโ€ โ€ฆ โ€œthey will eat the fruit of their ways" If the standard of "right & wrong" is man ... then "right & wrong" is whatever man discerns it to be & approves If the Standard of โ€œright & wrongโ€ is the "Son of Righteousness" ... then He is the Plumb line Priceless is a โ€œtime-of-captivity" ... for me a decade dedicated to study & prayer โ€ฆ learning deep heart-lessons that changed my focus & reordered my priorities https://www.bebee.com/producer/@fay-vietmeier-pennsylvania/pits-prisons-palaces-promises-to-lay-hold-of

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #63

Harvey Lloyd "being raised to wisdom" ... indeed you are blessed Lisa Vanderburg ... all are "rebels" until our heart changes ... loved the "touche" Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Of incalculable value is Wisdom for gaining a โ€œdiscerning heart" to understand between "right & wrong" Wisdom โ€ฆ the hidden treasure: โ€œBlessed are those who find wisdom, those who gain understanding, for she is more profitable than silver and yields better returns than gold. She is more precious than rubies; nothing you desire can compare with her. Long life is in her right hand; in her left hand are riches and honor. Her ways are pleasant ways, and all her paths are peace. She is a tree of life to those who take hold of her; those who hold her fast will be blessed.โ€ Proverbs 3

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #62

#62
I have been raised to wisdom as this explains the first of Proverbs quite well. Touche!

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

1 year ago #61

#60
#61 Very true; you cannot truly see others until you stop seeing yourself. I would be a pants teacher as I was taught to hide from people (and the big Dude upstairs), but I'm a rebel! You know the essence of Solomon. I'll raise you, 1 Kings 3:5-14 Harvey :)

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #60

#59
Proverbs 1:1-7 Is the reflection of selflessness needed to grasp wisdom. Wisdom is the reward.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #59

#59
This is the faith part. If i am to serve another then i must set aside myself and serve. Through this service i will be served/fulfilled. Within the training of staff we are really focused on the fact that our own belief systems generated through our experiences cause us to reflect these beliefs within the students we are in charge. The students attend our school because they did not grow up with your parents, experiences and philosophical insights. You can not work to get your reflection out of a student who has not walked in your shoes. That would be known as your own children. What does the students effects/behaviors tell us about their belief system? If you are applying your own upbringing then we will never know and never help the student. The student will just be an idiot who cant meet your standard. I no longer have a resource of student success i have staff who have turned into a judge. Judges are cheap and plentiful in the world of special education. Resources of student success are rare finds. It requires a very stable identity that the student cant take from you within their behaviors.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

1 year ago #58

#57
Reread you comment a few times, Harvey! So, are you saying that in order to teach staff how to really see the goal (need) instead of the cause & effect, they must be able to look at the mirror and NOT see themselves? Rather like looking at two or more angled mirrors in which they need to identify the need sans self? #58 You are always generous like that my friend! You are both too brainy for me. :)

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#57
Even though I wanted to watch the interesting discussions between you Harvey Lloyd and sleep on them before commenting I couldn't resist showing my great appreciation of your comment. It explains what you said before in clear terms. There are few points to discuss. For now, I want to highlight your excellent thought "...when you point out to them their need for reflections from a student (Mirror)". Yes, awe need to ask from whom we see the reflections. This is a crucial point. In schools in the USA I read once that evaluation of teachers come from students, the peers, the administration and the parents. It is wise to inspect reflections from different sources.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #56

In our business we deal with cause and effect as a matter of the social sciences. We have come to understand that effect/behavior always has a need. As a manager or leader we can always tell when staff is focused on effect rather than need. This is the long hours of training we give to staff in helping them shake off their own perspectives when viewing the mirror and asking what the mirror really wants/needs. We have studied all manner of "behavior management" in 20 years. The hardest part of training staff is to get them to stop looking for their own reflection in the mirror they are to teach. The most amazing part of the dialogue is staff becoming defensive when you point out to them their need for reflections from a student (Mirror). There are no magic bullets within the paradigm shift. It is a very hard and arduous task to change perspectives of the mirror and your own personal needs. Although difficult, it is one of the most rewarding aspects of wisdom development. The observer effect no longer controls you. Once a staff member breaks this connection with the mirror they become an awesome teacher/leader. They are now leading the right thing, not their own reflection.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

1 year ago #55

#55
I'm thinking that your offering of Proverbs 16:9 is the key to how to interface with mirrors - well said, Harvey! For anyone who wants to know, Proverbs 16:9 says, 'In their hearts humans plan their course, but the Lord establishes their steps.'

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #54

#54
Mirrors are here to stay in all there metaphoric glory. The question is never why are they there? But, rather how do a interface with them? If we could place wisdom at the right of the scale and personal perspective at the left we could gauge within each mirror encounter, our interface. Wisdom=Need and Personal Perspective=effect

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

1 year ago #53

Reading further the exchanges between Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee makes me see that mirrors/reflections are unreliable. Harvey's account of #43 #46 is a reminder that those mirrors can be used as a very deliberate tool against others (thinking of the guy in Harvey's 'antagonist'). I know this path. Cracked mirrors then provide a better image.... ''Someone I loved once gave me a box full of darkness. It took me years to understand that this too, was a gift.'' Mary Oliver.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

1 year ago #52

#39
Release, free-fall, surrender. All those I'd like to say were the answer to your insightful question, my friend! Alas, these are attributes I may or may not have...depending on the fact that I am broken. To really see others, to listen fully to them - requires time, empathy, patience and a huge dollop of grace! These are like the reflections of the sun off seawater; they move and dance. Maybe just when I think I have it, it turns out to be an illusion.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#51
I am all in smiles

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #50

#49
Yes, in computer lingo i came out as a intel 286 processor. Takes a while for me to engage all the floppy disks in the morning.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#48
Time differences again? Apparently we need to extend the jet lag idea to the what I coin as "reflection lag"

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#48
Time differences again? Apparently we need to extend the jet lag idea to the what I coin as "reflection jag"

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #47

#47
. I chose the latter not the former. Not paying attention this morning, your afternoon.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#43
What a great story! My good thinker Harvey Lloyd- you alert me to a new approach and new thinking.Our perception affects the reflections. The resulting reflections could be easy to follow or they could be complex or even chaotic. This is my explanation of your spot-on and rewarding teaching story. "In this cause and effect envelope i witnessed my own reflection through others and i was pretty ugly. I had a choice defend the current effects or understand the needs of those presenting the effect. I chose the former." Your experience can be projected on the cynefin framework and you do provide a practical example.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #45

This silence was accompanied by the actions of me still training folks and attendance to other parts of the organization. I offered no defense other than please compare my actions to the mission statement and i will accept any judgement. Keep in mind this was a voluntary organization, i was not paid. Personal discussions with my wife established that maybe we should begin a defense. I encouraged her to allow the situation to play out. The need they were seeking would eventually be the ladder that falls over. The gentlemen at the center of the cause effect eventually ramped up to epic proportions. I was asked by the leaders to leave under an ultimatum. I knew the need they sought was unsustainable. I left. We now host the trainings off site and many of those who got caught up in the cause effect politics generated are questioning what happened. It was the need that kept my sanity. Had i have engaged in the effect i would have become my detractor. Establishing the poorly sought after need as being real.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#42
Agreed

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#41
Fantastic dear Harvey Lloyd. I am going for sure tio soon explore the dynamics of reflections and include the rich comments here in the post. We tend to study the dynamics of tangible systems. But it shall be immensely interesting to apply the same to intangibles such as human reflections and give them a "touch of practicality". Your comments and all other comments are uncovering new possibilities.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #42

Recently i was engaged in a training class as teacher within a volunteer organization. A new person came to the organization and sat in on some of my training. Attendance is strictly voluntary. This gentlemen and i had some disagreements concerning the cause and effect concepts like we are discussing here. I built a session around our disagreement and presented it to the class fro discussion. This seemed to satisfy the gentlemen and our disagreement. What i did not know was the gentlemen was discussing my class with leadership in a negative way. By the time i figured this out i had no defense or opportunity to fellowship with the misunderstanding. The dam had broke and i was the cause. In this cause and effect envelope i witnessed my own reflection through others and i was pretty ugly. I had a choice defend the current effects or understand the needs of those presenting the effect. I chose the former. The need was something i could not meet and was contrary to the organizations mission statement. I went silent. (Contโ€™d)

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #41

#38
Another point to the complexity of โ€œcauseโ€. Every cause has a need. It is the reason for the effect. We either chose to let the effect lead us, (Book close to face) or we allow the need to drive us. (Book on the table.) When i pick up the effect i generally defend myself, when i pick up the need i am granted wisdom to discuss the need that caused the effect.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #40

#38
With all abstract thinking we must turn to application. I like your idea of considering the dynamics of observation in reflection. We would however need to understand the motivations to engage with the concept during reflection in real time. Knowledge of something is different than wisdom. Wisdom in my perspective is the ability to utilize concepts within realtime reflection with others. The word faith applies here. Do i have faith in my knowledge or faith in my wisdom? With faith in wisdom i know that no matter how it looks during the reflection i can apply the principals for the best outcome. Knowledge however tends to crumble as the situation rises in emotion. Great conversations as always Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#39
I am sure Lisa will have new insights from this insightful comment.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #38

#37
You bring the question forward of what courage i need to reduce the โ€œhaloโ€ effect? Where does this courage come from? Pulling the book from our face or changing our perspective generally involves fear of character reduction/fear. This is where Lisaโ€™s comment comes into play of the collective thoughts of who we are and are willing to sacrifice self to put the book down. The act of setting aside our own bias so that we can โ€œseeโ€ another's motives requires a strength of identity that is selfless. What must this identity rest upon?

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#33
I agree. However; if reflections are complex then the it us difficult to tell the real causes. You remind me of the Cynefin Framework. In the complex domain the right approach is to probe, sense and respond. This method is described as emergent practices. We need to be quite observant of changes around us. Maybe it is a good idea to establish the Cynefin of Reflections. If so, we need to differentiate between simple reflections, complicated reflections, complex reflections and chaotic reflections. I honestly believe this is worthy of exploring because then we need to consider how we think of reflections and how to approach then depending in which domain they fall.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#32
You remind me Harvey Lloyd of the Halo Effect. If I see a good attribute in one person then I tend to make fast generalizations that his/her traits are good as well. One reflection led me to generalize without waiting for other reflections. I need to change the book, move it and even may cover its cover to see other reflections before I may make a judgement.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #35

#34
Proverbs 16:9. We are in a dynamic state of seeking perfection. I know i am perfect at the moment, but in a few more steps that perfection may not meet the needs I encounter. The Proverb is a powerful one if we choose to unpack its depth. It answers the question of perfection. It also establishes that with each plan footsteps will reveal new wisdom that the โ€œplanโ€ must change. Unfortunately new footsteps generally cause us to force fit the wisdom into our plan. We serve the plan and not the wisdom. This usually comes from motives of pride. We have sold the plan as perfect and now wisdom dictates a change. Who are we now if we were perfect upfront? We typically oversell our plan and commitments upfront and then wisdom appears. I must sacrifice self for wisdom or my plan will not find what was intended. The moral of the story is: Donโ€™t oversell what you have today as you might have to buy it back tomorrow. Wisdom will always dictate future cost.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#31
Harvey Lloyd- you are right.Perfection is dynamic as in the landscape of fitness peaks as soon as you land on one a new and better fitness peak emerges. I agree completely with you.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

1 year ago #33

#31
Everything alters/changes/devolves/decays/degrades; so to with our 'mirrors'. Reflections should rarely include 'evolve' as that dispels the point of reflecting, like saying 'I wish...'. But they're also useful, as you so rightly say Harvey Lloyd, as a map of where we were to were we're trying to go. Paradoxically, as a tool towards hope, we need to see ourselves as reflections of the collective self. For that, we also need to see our own brokenness as part of God's plan; he didn't break us, we did, but it doesn't mean we are 'imperfect' in his eyes! Marvellous concepts Harvey Lloyd that put perfection firmly in its place; a movable state.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #32

#30
The word perspective is interchangeable with confirmation bias. In Fayโ€™s analogy with the book we can also apply confirmation bias. I enter a cause and effect understanding with presupposition/confirmation bias/perspective. This will guide my analysis if i let it. Typically if we allow this to guide us we will focus on the character as the cause. When i should be observing for motivation of the effect i have witnessed. The observer effect is an astute observation. The observer must always realize they are part of the scenario and understand their inputs. Good scientist realize their bias/presupposition and attempt to remove these items from the observation. A true observer of the social mirror realizes they, just by being, have changed the reflection. How the observer chooses to engage with the reflection can be driven by beliefs or by personal fears. We need to insure that our fears are in check if we truly wish to engage with others surrounding cause and effect.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #31

#24
Fay, great points and the book analogy was excellent. But how do we know when we the book is to close? Only through the social mirror do we get tested as to where the books position is relevant Iโ€™ve to our thoughts about another. Whatโ€™s amazing for me, i can have the book so tight, breathing is difficult, yet i can form opinions of those around me as if i have seen everything. (Self-Righteousness). The other observation is that the book at my nose is relative to the reflection i receive from others. The book moves in and out depending on topic. We rarely even notice this movement. A close book can be caused by a individual presence or specific words or environments.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #30

#25
Lisa Vanderburg I agree. Maybe some context on perfection would better shed some light on my points. Perfection is not static, yet dynamic. Between humans we can find perfection that can carry us a short period when we would need to fellowship again and reset the thoughts of perfection. Society has distributed a common myth of comparison where perfection is static. (Usually established by someone in need of money or a vote.) I am perfect until i met you. You were the same. Through discourse we established what perfection means to the two of us. This is a dynamic position as we begin to share thoughts. Perfection is merely a state of being where we can move forward within the envelope of the stated need. If we are diligent, this outcome will set a Large part of our journey. If not then we will have to find another level of perfection to continue.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#23
Harvey Lloyd- you mentioned "to separate perspective and cause/effect". I find this quite challenging because our perception can be the cause that produces the effect. I am sure you have other things in mind.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#23
@Harvey L you mentioned "to separate perspective and cause/effect". I find this quite challenging because our perception can be the cause that produces the effect. I am sure you have other things in mind.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#22
Your question on " can i truly ask the mirror to change?" Does this include the possibilities of changing the mirror or its position and inclination?

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#24
This is super analogy dear Fay Vietmeier "How difficult it is to read a book when held too close to our face". This is the reason why researches couldn't find first the fractal light in the laser tube and instead they found a light blob. Bats realized this and the the angle of observation is hugely important in detecting the preys hiding in leaves. Not only the distance, but also the angle of observation are important.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#22
#25 Dears Lisa Vanderburg- Your two comments blew my mind with their depth.Harvey asks a challenging question and you KIsa make it more so. You just reminded me of the Observer Effect. When we observe we change and the more we observe the more we cause change. Same with memory, the more we reflect on memory, the more we change how we perceive those memories. Is there an equivalent effect that we may call The Mirror Observer Effect? If yes, then like two lenses in a laser we may produce a fractal light. Are our memories fractal? You asked me questions and I responded with more questions.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

1 year ago #24

#22
Great points Harvey Lloyd, and sorry to be late! To me, perfection is not the same as 'truth' but merely a vantage point. I agree there are dangers attached to reflection; deception, manipulation and judgement, are just a couple. To me, 'mirrors' are not physical, they are a looking-glass that can allow for gentler or precision viewing and should never be used for self...I tend to avoid them like the plague :) Have I just done a U-turn? Don't think so... I just think that certainly my idea of perfection is a hope that lies within our collective selves. To look to the ugliest of us and not find any redeeming features dulls the mirror. What say you and Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee?

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #23

#23
Harvey Lloyd Harvey ... you are a "brilliant bee" ... at least to me ;~) As I read your comments a couple thoughts came to my mind How difficult it is to read a book when held too close to our face. By this example I hope to convey that things โ€“ideas-beliefs which are held too close may prohibit the ability to see โ€ฆ or to see with clarity & objectivity We are so used to seeing something a certain way that we dismiss another perspective โ€ฆ even truth or reality This is NOT to say that values-ideas-beliefs which have been put to the test ... should not be held close "Mirror mirror on the wall โ€ฆ whoโ€™s the fairest of us all?โ€ When we look in a mirror do we seek reality? Truth? Or do we just see what we want to see? Some desired reflection or perception Perspective & perception can be flawed in so many ways. โ€œDoomed to the hallโ€ or doomed to the โ€œpitโ€ https://www.bebee.com/producer/@fay-vietmeier-pennsylvania/pits-prisons-palaces-promises-to-lay-hold-of Choose the Right Ladder โ€œwisdom or woeโ€

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #22

Once i believed that simple topics such as you display here would offer folks the opportunity to separate perspective and cause/effect. For many years this was my Achilles heal. The social mirror offers us an abstract thought to separate the reflector and the reflected. This is a Jungian Ego level concept. The reality is, abstract thought is complicated to many. To separate oneโ€™s self from the hall of mirrors we experience is difficult at best. This gets to the heart of Fay Vietmeier brokenness concept. When we do rise above the mirrors of life we experience the fractals we couldn't see when we were so deep within them. We see the symmetry of life and its natural flows. If we wish to get abstract even further we can posit that the mirrors themselves form the boundaries of the fractal. Insuring that the formations have the symmetry. In order to rise above the hall of mirrors we need a ladder that sustains us through the transition. What you choose for a ladder must deal with your own perspectives of Origin, meaning, morality and destiny. If the ladder doesnt answer these questions then you are doomed to the hall as the ladder will fail at some point. Or, in keeping with the abstract thought, the mirrors will reflect you back into the fractal.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #21

What happens when a โ€œMoralโ€ person looks into a Amoral Mirror? The mirror reflects the morals of the reflection seeker. The challenging question you traverse is what happens when a moral mirror looks at a moral mirror? This is the โ€œsocial mirrorโ€ Steven Covey refers to and is portrayed in the classic, Snow White. Lisa Vanderburg and the post look at the perfection aspect of the reflection. A question arises when we use the word perfection as it applies to two moral beings seeking perfection from different positions. What is perfection? The classic A/B argument exists unless there is something that changes the challenge into win/win discussions that โ€œdecideโ€ perfection in the reflections. The perfection only resides in the A/B time/space moment. In the end it is not what the mirror reflects but rather what we ask the mirror to be. Managing our reflection through trial and error should refine what we ask of the mirror. Our efforts should not be to change the mirror until we are sure that each would benefit from the change. If i can not define myself in front of the mirror, can i truly ask the mirror to change?

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#20
Spot on your comment is dear Fay Vietmeier. I also liked the idea than fractals from from intense tension. The water drops are spherical because of what we describe as surface tension.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #19

#18
I forgot to mention how beautiful is the image you chose for this post ... the drops of water clinging remind me of the WONDER that is all around ... that we should thirst for

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #18

#18
Truly Ali ... there can be beauty in brokenness Sometimes the more broken ... the greater the beauty that is produced ... "beauty from ashes" If everyone could see as you see ... True wealth ... true beauty is found internally in the our heart & mind ... This bee is always greatly encouraged at your kind words ... and engaging spirit

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#17
Dear the spiritual fractal Fay Vietmeier By describing you as spiritual fractal I am not referring to any broken spirit of yours. To the contrary- you symbolize beauty of mind and heart as even though fractals are broken in shape; still they endow us with their limitless beauty. SO you are my friend. I am glad that you referred to your outstanding post and surely it was one of your best. Yes, humans are fractals. It is up to them to render beauty out of them as you do with your deep spiritual analysis. Imperfections that shine beauty. Authenticity, but not exclusion from others and keeping the social fabric solid.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #16

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee My dearest professor, I do like the way your mind THINKS I loved the reference to the โ€œsociety of leaves โ€ฆ mirrors in our mindsโ€ I have experienced this firsthand in many of our bee-exchangesโ€ฆthe creation of IDEAS that resulted from those โ€œmirrors in our mindsโ€ โ€ฆ reflecting back & forth โ€œimperfections that generate the beautiful social fractalsโ€ โ€ฆโ€œWouldnโ€™t it be pretty to think soโ€ ~Earnest Hemingway Those โ€œimperfectionsโ€ reflect the fractal โ€œbrokenโ€ condition of humanity โ€ฆ producing โ€œsocial fractalsโ€ that reflect every possibility in human behavior & social behavior: the good โ€ฆ the bed & the ugly For me there is a spiritual take away โ€ฆ a reflection of sowing & reaping Through each phase of life โ€ฆ each filled with reflections: of our thoughts, words, actions, habits โ€ฆ which form character & determine destiny. As I wrote in The Fractal State of Humanity ~ The Hidden Forces for you & against you: โ€œFractalโ€ from Latin means โ€œbrokenโ€ โ€ฆ Human beings are โ€œbrokenโ€ โ€ฆ โ€œHuman beings are living breathing fractalsโ€ ~Ben Weiss https://www.bebee.com/producer/@fay-vietmeier-pennsylvania/the-fractal-state-of-humanity-the-hidden-forces-at-work-for-you-against-you

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#13
Dear Jerry- your rainbow shall reflect your beautiful character and good sense.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#12
Just wonderful and relevant quote Franci\ud83d\udc1dEugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#11
And with love I celebrate your comment Kevin Baker

Jerry Fletcher

Jerry Fletcher

1 year ago #12

Dr. Ali. Truly food for thought as we head down the slope of the new year! With luck, the angle will be just right to generate a fractal rainbow.

Franci ๐ŸEugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador

"The world is your mirror and your mind is a magnet. What you perceive in this world is largely a reflection of your own attitudes and beliefs. Life will give you what you attract with your thoughts think, act and talk negatively and your world will be negative. Think and act and talk with enthusiasm and you will attract positive results." - Michael LeBoeuf

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#9
It is not to coincidence that I mention two Lisa(s) in the post Lisa Vanderburg and @Lisa Morganweck

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

1 year ago #9

#8
Hey...it takes a two-Lisa effort to glean a new thought-thread from you, dear man! :)

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#7
I wish Harvey Lloyd. I love the way you elaborated on attraction. That is why I tagged dear ED to comment being a neuroscience expert. I want to wait hoping for feedback before I expand on my response. I want also to thank you for you were an important contributor for me to write this post.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

1 year ago #7

Humbled and grateful, dear Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee! Wonderful food for thought, that maybe what we consider as perfection is actually far from it! 'Others are the neurons mirrors for our behaviors. Likewise; what others see in us is the reflection of their true selves.' That statement had me (at first) disagreeing. But the more I read it, the more I see the power of attraction (and I use that word in its full meaning rather than romantic'); why is one person drawn to another? You may have the answer there! Could it be that the image of themselves projected through others is subtly different between one friend to the next? That would involve a base instinct or unconscious urge....I wonder if it is equally true in this hypothesis that those that we're attracted to because of the reflection, do not always see an equally pleasing reflection back - not reciprocal? Fascinating!

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#5
Great comment and insight dear Mohammed Abdul Jawad. There is a reinforcing effect of reciprocation. It is the feedback effect that results in magnifying the good and bad acts. Yes, be good to others so that they may be good to you. It is reflections like the two mirrors in a laser they keep feeding the reflections back and forth and a beautiful fractal emerges.

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

1 year ago #5

Like an inspiring story that influences peoples' minds, even a simple ligament of love has beauty, brilliance and strength. What we give in best ways will be equally reciprocated by people in best ways. That's the truth, and it really works! Great post dear Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Thank you dears Mohammed Abdul Jawad for your appreciated re-sharing of the post.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#2
What a great way to reflect on the post dear Debesh Choudhury. Human mind laser- this is a core message in the post.

Debesh Choudhury

Debesh Choudhury

1 year ago #2

Interesting reflections Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee .. Human mind laser?

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Lisa Vanderburg- you are mentioned in this post

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