The Hidden Aspects of Toxic Employees

The Hidden Aspects of Toxic Employees

So many people wrote about toxic employees and whether they are genetically poisonous or became so because of the environment they live in. Are there hidden aspects of toxic employees? I revert to the metaphor of toxic plants in seeking of new perspectives on toxic employees.

Plants become toxic for two main reasons. These are: self-defense and growth. It is the need to grow and defend from herbivores and the like that make plants toxic to varying degrees. Walnut tree poisons other plants to have space for it to grow. Plants use toxic chemicals for self-defense. There is no one particular compound or single factor that creates a poisonous plant. β€œThe degree of danger a poisonous weed represents is a function of the plant’s prevalence, toxicity, and desirability”.Β  The general toxicity of a plant is directly related to the toxin or toxins it contains, the organ or system it affects, and species of animal which ingests it. Toxicity has its own scale as toxicity varies with the plant age, environment, growth needs and other factors.

Some plants are extremely poisonous while young because predators like them while young. Other plants become more toxic as they age. The question that roams my mind is what happens when a young toxic employee is supervised by an old toxic manager? The young employee is afresh and wants to grow very fast and climb the career ladder very quickly. The old boss is a controlling one and doesn't wish to expose his weakness to the young toxic employee. The toxicity of rapid growth mingles with the toxicity of the old employee trying to avoid the risk of having a knowledgeable young employee with fresh knowledge and apprehension of the newest technologies replacing him. We live this scenario. Many organizations are packed with old employees who isolated themselves from the new technological trends. The toxicity of old scholars is in conflict with the toxic aspirations of quick growth. This conflict could be a theme for a movie.

A plant might have each part of it toxic or only some parts such as the leaves. An employee might be wholly toxic or in part. Toxic thoughts, toxic tongues, toxic hearts, toxic feelings, toxic thoughts and toxic spirit are just examples of human toxicity. There is one other form of toxicity which I call "The Camouflaged Toxicity". Some employees tend to give sweet promises, hopes and words when in fact the sweet is only a cover to their intended toxic intentions. When we say an employee is toxic, what then do we mean exactly?

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The danger of toxic employees expands their roots and denies other people the opportunity to excel. They become a source for toxic materials. We extract toxins from plants to catch fish, to give one example. Toxic employees may offer their toxic rumors and spread them to "fish" for opportunities. We may do this without being aware of poisoning ourselves. For example, the leaves of the red plant are not toxic when green, but are poisonous when dried.We may "dry up" employees only to turn them toxic.

We tend to make the work environment dry for opportunities and growth. This drying shall turn some employees toxic. We tend to dry opportunities for employees and the more "dried" they feel, the more toxic they become. We tend to over-control employees and threaten them with punishment. No wonder some employees become toxic for self-defense.

Before we blame toxic employees we must first blame the work environment in which we placed them in.


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Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#105
Great comment my friend Edward Lewellen and you revealed the root cause of toxic behaviors. There is a term called negative negativity. I think your comment gives a great example of what this term means. This is in your writing "They've been hurt, harmed, or made to feel bad so many times that they use their "toxic" behaviors to avoid having further contact so they aren't hurt again". Feeling bad leading to bad behaviors. THis isn't exactly what is meant by negative negativity, but at least it is negative on negative.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#103
++Thank you Deb\ud83d\udc1d Lange, Brand Ambassador @beBee for your thoughtful comments and questions. Yes, the environment and system feedback to the employee and toxic feedback may lead to a toxic employee. Toxic culture is also responsible for creating toxic employees.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#100
Tan you Randall Burns

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#99
yes, you are very correct David

Randall Burns

Randall Burns

4 years ago #72

Excellent article Ali Anani

David Navarro LΓ³pez

David Navarro LΓ³pez

4 years ago #71

#98
Indeed, dear Ali, Harvey Lloyd always makes deep comments. The good thing of the hive is as this buzz is already shared in the hive "toxicity" we won't need to "surf" to fish it again.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#97
Dear Harvey Lloyd- toxic employees need to grow inside or outside the organization. What a great thought this is! To be living is to be growing and toxic employees are a living reality. I love your comment and we shall incorporate it in the coming buzz on toxicity. Dear David Navarro L\u00f3pez- please take notice of this living comment

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

4 years ago #69

Toxic employees is a broadly defined group, generally described as those who present a negative flow of energy within their environment, and is contagious. I believe the toxic employee is clearly in the purview of leadership's responsibility. Your final statement though is the ultimate view we must take. Piousness plants don't survive within an environment purposefully maintained. I wanted to bring the toxic employee into two categories. The "Maverick" or rule breaker who gets the job done at all cost, and the "Predator" or promotion and self centered achievement at all cost. I have worked with many "Mavericks" in sales. They can really bring in the business but refuse to follow rules that reduce the risk. The risk exposure is usually felt by the part of the team that is following the rules. Managing these great sales folks is exhausting and challenging in maintaining a corporate culture. The "predator" is somewhat a more difficult beast to root out. A leader is exposed to the smiling face of this toxic employee while the organization is exposed to the hidden agenda. The word choices of the "predator" is usually very telling. I, me and the use of pronouns are usually used to express their success, while risk exposure is displayed as peoples actual names. With all reports we should always be conscious of motives not the points being given alone. Motives will always expose the predator before they can damage your organization. With each of these types of toxic employees there are management techniques to help them grow. They can grow into your organization or out. But the growth is a must.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#91
We need your knowledge and rich experience David Navarro L\u00f3pez. I hope you would consider joining our effort by joining the hive Toxicity at Work mentioned below. I enjoyed your analysis and your mentioning of the "'get on your good side'. This is huge observation. The Harvard Business School study has many interesting aspects which you highlighted beautifully. I mentioned to in one of my comments the need to first prevent toxicity and the observations you mentioned that characterize toxic people is very relevant to the intended work of the hive.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#92
#94 I share my thanks and invitation to the genuine supporter Franci\ud83d\udc1dEugenia Hoffman

David Navarro LΓ³pez

David Navarro LΓ³pez

4 years ago #66

#92
You did wonderful, dear Franci\ud83d\udc1dEugenia Hoffman. I am sure this buzz of us will be very fruitful and helpful for many.

David Navarro LΓ³pez

David Navarro LΓ³pez

4 years ago #65

#91
Your comment is a gem. I am allowing myself to share this comment in the new buzz we are about to write here https://www.bebee.com/producer/@david-navarro-lopez/new-hive-toxicity-at-work. I am sure you have a lot to say about the issue, so please feel free to share the post or to add further thoughts/comments, which will be highly appreciated.

Franci 🐝Eugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador

#87
I just posted a Hive🐝Talk special for your new hive - https://www.bebee.com/producer/@franci-hoffman/hive-talk-special-toxicity-at-work-note-april-21st-deadline-date

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#89
Thank you Bill

Bill Stankiewicz, 🐝 Brand Ambassador

Very true Ali!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#87
My action is my reply as I have just joined your new hive. I even suggest you write a buzz to announce its initiation and scope of work as outlined in your splendid comment. Great ida and a lovely comment to which I agree.

David Navarro LΓ³pez

David Navarro LΓ³pez

4 years ago #60

#86
What about this idea? I have created a hive https://www.bebee.com/group/toxicity-at-work on which we could share all the related buzzes. After sharing and reading them, we could both "iron out our experiences". Of course, other bees are invited. If you want to share a buzz but you have already done it in 3 hives, let me know and I will do. And vice-versa. I look forward to your suggestions about the definition text for the hive

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#84
You bring a hugely important point dear David Navarro L\u00f3pez. Yes, I recall your post. I also wrote on this topic before. It would be interesting to compare what we wrote before with what we write on same topic again. I compared and I found that I tended to blame the employee more than the environment in which h/s was placed in. My invitation for a great discussion is to do similar comparisons and draw The Thoughts Path and how our ideas changed over time. I shall write one to iron out my experience. I am not ashamed to say loudly that I changed my thoughts and why. I think this shal be an interesting area to explore.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#83
Yes, I agree. I must admit that I wondered if Gerald doesn't write comedy.

David Navarro LΓ³pez

David Navarro LΓ³pez

4 years ago #57

#70
I will, dear Ali. BTW, toxic employees is a matter it has long time had my mind busy. You might recall my buzz https://www.bebee.com/producer/@david-navarro-lopez/sacred-cows-the-ceo-s-bullies

Franci 🐝Eugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador

#64
#82 Gerald is not only smart but a great sense of humor.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#81
I have been reading your comments on this buzz and I am amazed by your knowledge Gerald Hecht. The buzz shall be more mind-blowing with your participatin and the least by making comments.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#73
I appreciate your engagement Federico \ud83d\udc1d \u00c1lvarez San Mart\u00edn

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#74
Thank you Paul Walters- you encourage me a lot with your genuine appreciation

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#77
And maybe you would consider joining us Gerald Hecht

Paul Walters

Paul Walters

4 years ago #51

Ali Anani Ah Toxi people...like plants , these days I go to extraordinary lengths to avoid them !! Thanks once again for a delightfully written piece

Federico Álvarez San Martín

#69
#71 Exactly!!! Thanks David Navarro L\u00f3pez ;)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#71
May be I have the opportunity to collaborate with you Javier \ud83d\udc1d beBee on writing a buzz.

Javier 🐝 CR

Javier 🐝 CR

4 years ago #48

#69
David Navarro L\u00f3pez

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#69
I think your buzz on this topic shall open our minds to new approaches to dealing with toxicity. I look forward my friend to reading your forthcoming buzz with a great anticipation. BTW- I wish to read your thoughts on my buzz of today on Opportunities in Crowdedness as it relates to this buzz.

David Navarro LΓ³pez

David Navarro LΓ³pez

4 years ago #46

#66
Hopefully soon will be operational the way to use produce by co-authoring (guiΓ±o a Javier \ud83d\udc1d beBee y sus muchachos). I am sure the present issue would produce a wonderful honey if we could do so. I have two more buzzes to produce, and ruminating about them, but Ali, you have the skill to open my appetite to write about many things. Ruminating....ruminating....

Bill Stankiewicz, 🐝 Brand Ambassador

#7
I agree, very true and the analogies are a good example of how some companies operate with toxic policies

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#62
If we all would digest your great analysis David Navarro L\u00f3pez. I think your comments are laying down new steps to deal with toxicity at work. A comment isn't enough to respond to your comments.

David Navarro LΓ³pez

David Navarro LΓ³pez

4 years ago #43

1.-Premature poisoning of an apple happens to be due to bumps or hits that initially can not bee seen, maybe prior to collecting them, or during collection, or handling roughly them when storing them. The more hits they get, the more quickly they get rotten. Some bumps can not be avoided, or happened before the collecting. Not to get any apple poisoned is impossible. This is a fact a good leader needs to be aware of. 2.-The first stage before getting rotten is that the skin changes the colour. The wise thing to do is to cut off the damaged part asap, even if one needs to cut some good parts too, put it aside from the other apples, peel it, chop it and add sugar. Some apples are not intended to be eaten raw, but with the appropriate treatment can produce the best of the jams. It is up to the leader to understand that not every apple is same. Some are good for a purpose, and some for another. To make jam from a sane-apple is a waste, and normally is more bitter.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#59
Great commentDavid Navarro L\u00f3pez. There are two sides of your comment. 1- We should try not to get any apple poisoned. 2- If we do get one poisoned then what to do? This opens the door to a two-pronged strategy. Preventive one to be followed by a curing one. I like the new thinking your comments provides us with.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#58
"For the narcissist (and let's reiterate with a personality disorder) information is power. With mobbing there is always an instigator behind the scenes and it is the nasty side of groupthink". I fully agree CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit. I experienced tis. Like we have a shadow management, so we have "shadow instigators".

David Navarro LΓ³pez

David Navarro LΓ³pez

4 years ago #40

I prefer to look at the issue like apples in a basket: there is no need to do anything to get them rotten. In an initial sane working environment, one "apple" will always be the first to be rotten, and if you don't remove it, all apples will be rotten with the time. Countryman as I am, I have learned how to preserve them a long time, same way as potatoes. You need to lay them in a fresh environment, not allowing them to touch each other. To provide a fresh working environment as well as giving each worker its own space, together with avoiding mutual pressure like being in a basket, on which the ones on the bottom use to rotten first due to less air and more pressure, can be things a good leader should think of.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

4 years ago #39

#26
This article is helpful because it separates narcissists who are self-obsessed from narcissism as a personality disorder. http://iheartintelligence.com/2016/12/16/7-narcissistic-manipulation/ This means that not all narcissists are toxic but as a personality disorder where there may be an advantage to get ahead, the narcissist will have no qualms taking that road, noting that the irony of leadership promotion will more likely favour the narcissist. There is an increase in mobbing behaviour which involves manipulating groups against a particular individual. In this PDF Reuven Kotleras has written an interesting paper entitled "The Workplace Mobbing of Highly Gifted Adults: An Unremarked Barbarism http://www.kwesthues.com/Kotleras-mobbing2011.pdf Group violence is on the increase and when we engage online we have a tendency to let our guard down and disclose far more of ourselves than we did when we did not have access to these network tools. For the narcissist (and let's reiterate with a personality disorder) information is power. With mobbing there is always an instigator behind the scenes and it is the nasty side of groupthink. There are real consequences to this behaviour and since it is group led, more difficult to confront and fix. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/05/business/worldbusiness/05iht-workcol06.4474372.html

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#43
I would love to read your responses to the two previous comments Salma Rodriguez because you highlighted choices in your comment.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#40
"Being open to entertaining new and ever-evolving options is exactly how we diagnose who is and who isn't self-centered. With just a little pointed questioning the narcissists will always revert the solutions back to their own benefits in neglect of any community-mindedness". If you would allow me to change the word options for choices in your comment Deb \ud83d\udc1d Helfrich. Again, this strengthens my belief that we need to devote more discussions on this prime issues: what are the choices available and how to nurture them?

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#39
Thank you for your wonderful comment Sara Jacobovici. Your comment is the comment of available choices "There are individuals who either succeed at creating a toxic environment and there are those who succeed at disabling toxicity by either enabling those who are toxic to detoxify and stay, or enable them to leave". These choices you provide are the cornerstone for another great discussions. S/hH who has other choices plaise raise your voice.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#39
Thank you for your wonderful comment Sara Jacobovici. Your comment is the comment of available choices "There are individuals who either succeed at creating a toxic environment and there are those who succeed at disabling toxicity by either enabling those who are toxic to detoxify and stay, or enable them to leave". These choices you provide are the cornerstone for another great discussions. S/hH who has other chioces plaise raise your voice.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#36
SOmetime the sweet comes from bitterness

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#35
"The plants who have evolved toxins for self-defense against predators...specifically the well known principle in pharmacology that ultimately, the essential difference between medicine and poison --is the dose". This is a basic principle in pharmacology and you are correct

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#34
And ir may grow exponentially

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#33
"There is however a strange relationship which when it comes to light begins explain why empaths in particular are drawn to cults whose leaders then consequently abuse them and they protect rather than reject that leader, and this is the attraction of empaths to narcissists and the narcissist control of empaths"- a great idea for deeper thinking about CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#42
A fundamental principle intoxicology is that β€œthe dose makes the poison,” which was coined by Paracelsus, the father of toxicology.

Franci 🐝Eugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador

#47
Oh, I can relate. I worked on the 11th floor so no, we couldn't open the windows. Oh, don't forget the walls, painted in pale green for a calming effect. 😱

Salma Rodriguez

Salma Rodriguez

4 years ago #28

#40
Deb \ud83d\udc1d Helfrich I am happy to discover that I am not narcissist. As you mentioned yourself, some people cannot be branded. I fall in that category. I took the Birkman behavioral assessment recently and I found out that, yes, I am the type of person that is not very easy to know about, often very focused on topics or causes that are important to me and the ecosystem around me. It is not about "me" but about how I can help improve the lives of other people.

Salma Rodriguez

Salma Rodriguez

4 years ago #27

#39
Very true Sara Jacobovici. We have the power to choose! Some people are very limited in their ability to choose, as myself here, but it is a good power to have. Being "detoxified" is a good goal to achieve. I will buy a set of sticky notes and write "Bee Detoxified" on every memo :-)

Helena Jansen van Vuuren

Helena Jansen van Vuuren

4 years ago #26

#1
one pays a hefty hefty price for 'standing your man' physically and mentally - it all ended just in time - luckily for me this toxic indivudual spread his particular brand of poison pretty far and it could no longer be ignored - one person being the target of this particular venom can be ignored but when the targets became fairly random....it gets attention...the right or the wrong attention depending... am so lucky I get my pension from next year July and will have more choice in where and with whom I spend my time...

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #25

As always Ali Anani, your thought provoking and insightful buzz becomes the springboard for a great discussion! (As you have expressed in your comment #25.) As for me, I am old enough to say (without any arrogance), I have seen it all! My experiences, as you say, "could be a theme for a movie." From my perspective, there really is no "blame" involved. There are individuals who either succeed at creating a toxic environment and there are those who succeed at disabling toxicity by either enabling those who are toxic to detoxify and stay, or enable them to leave. I have even been in work environments in which the toxic individuals compete to see who will outlast the other! The elements which appear in the comments are all "right", as are the descriptions in your buzz Dr. Ali. Plants are equipped for self defense and growth which equals survival, according to their unchosen species and environment. Humans have the same equipment, but can transcend their unchosen species or environment by their added human ability to choose; choose how to be and how to respond. Thanks again, Dr. Ali, for an important discussion.

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

4 years ago #24

#19
OMG, Chas \u270c\ufe0f Wyatt, I didn't realize we had worked in the same place! You described it perfectly.

Franci 🐝Eugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador

I agree with this, indeed! But how did the work environment become toxic - perhaps the management? And the issues grow as the toxic employees spread it to others either by their gossipy ways or moving to another place of employment. Getting to the root of the problem is important. Otherwise, it will become a vicious cycle and continue to grow.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

4 years ago #22

#26
Hi Chris, that is a good question because I got to learn something from that question. I have to this point bucketed machiavellianism and narcissism together, but today I have learned that it may not be so Article: Are You Mistaking Machiavellianism For Narcissism? https://www.aconsciousrethink.com/3534/mistaking-machiavellianism-narcissism/ So in the realm of toxic narcissists and there is such a creed treat the Machiavellian relationship for what it is and there is a continuum in this relationship as detailed here: The 5 Types of Toxic Narcissists http://fortune.com/2015/09/14/narcissist-work-toxic/ There is however a strange relationship which when it comes to light begins explain why empaths in particular are drawn to cults whose leaders then consequently abuse them and they protect rather than reject that leader, and this is the attraction of empaths to narcissists and the narcissist control of empaths HSP Highly Sensitive Person & The Narcissist https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/sense-and-sensitivity/201201/the-highly-sensitive-person-and-the-narcissist An individual account also bears this out for me https://www.elephantjournal.com/2015/06/the-toxic-attraction-between-an-empath-a-narcissist/ At this point is where it does become difficult separating the Machiavellian and the Narcissist. As for a causal relationship that I leave that to my friend Gerald Hecht but do people use emotional intelligence to figure out how to control people. Oh Yes !

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#28
I fully concur with you dea Tausif Mundrawala. Sweet tongues, but bitter hearts is a way some people hide their intentions. They learnt the wrong things from nature. We need to understand more why some people behave this way. I am glad that you highlighted this point.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#27
Thank you Salma Rodriguez. I wonder where you got your first name as this is a loveable name here. As loveable as your name is and so is your comment. I am glad you pointed out the "camouflage toxicity". yes, toxic societies result from toxic interaction among individuals.

Salma Rodriguez

Salma Rodriguez

4 years ago #19

Ali Anani, who shared your thoughts on LinkedIn. I very much appreciate that so many of us concord that there is a problem with running a society that "grows" this devastating way.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

The topic of employee toxicity has been discussed in abundance, but the comments here are great extensions of what we know about toxicity. Even more, the comments provide new seeds of thinking about this topic. I am deeply grateful to the great minds who wrote very enriching comments.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#19
Chas \u270c\ufe0f Wyatt- this is a splendid line in your comment "Often toxic management and toxic employees gather in the same stagnant pool like algae choking out the oxygen of a potential stream". No matter who is the root cause of the problem, the guilty and the innocent get depleted of oxygen. This is hidden side of toxicity.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#18
This is an amazing comment dear CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit. I love the flow of ideas and the thinking behind them >I like reading lines that force me to pause and think such as this one from your comment " That the toxicity of the person may actually involve the toxicity of a hidden player - and what we confront is actually a symptom and not the root cause". Rarely I get a traffic ticket, but last week I almost did. The driver in front of me was driving so slowly and the driver behind me thought that I was slowing the traffic. Suddenly, the driver in the rear started making dangerous moves. I decided to avoid him by overtaking the driver in front of me. I did, but then the police traffic stopped me for driving fast. I explained to the policeman that I was forced to act to avoid risk. He looked in the camera which videoed the incident and said you are right. We penalize the innocent sometimes. Toxic behavior has this evil in making the innocent guilty.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#20
Absolutely dear Phil Johnson, MBL. I may add we deplete our energy more when we have toxic attitudes and therefore our need to "steal" the energies of others grows. This in turn depletes the energy of others, who in turn need to steal energy from others. A spiral of "energy stealing" initiates with all its toxic consequences.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

4 years ago #14

If toxic is a dangerous chemical, writ so large like a freight train, it is a wonder why as people that we don't see it coming. As a freight train the truth is that we do see it coming when the toxic is visible, instead of having the courage to speak up, we walk on egg shells. We eventually get to realize that if we speak up the toxic spill enlarges and we do not possess sufficient courage to face a toxic explosion - but we will wait for someone else to have an implosion, and then we will divert our attention to that person who has imploded rather than take course of action against the toxic person. Now we may agree to this paragraph but that agreement itself may reveal our failure to see more. That the toxicity of the person may actually involve the toxicity of a hidden player - and what we confront is actually a symptom and not the root cause. The root cause can be hidden away in an organization or some other place for years and this is where toxicity is maddening - because we will not know that which is our paranoia from that which is the actual root cause. The narcissist operates this way and opens up vulnerable people that we then label as toxic - the narcissist not only opens up the toxicity, but watches it flow into the organization and is also proficient in how to clean up the mess. The mess is the imploded victim or the exploded toxic host. Yes, host because this parasite called the narcissist has done his or her work and their next promotion will be no less devious. This is how narcissists become leaders and even manage things like glass ceilings. Why are we presented two versions of the devil in religious texts? The one that is so obvious and visible with horns and evil, but another that is the angel of light, a Lucifer - an Anti-Christ that looks like a saviour but is as Elvis sings, "the devil in disguise" (but here not about a woman). In boxing it is the punch we did not see, that knocks us out.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

4 years ago #13

If toxic is a dangerous chemical, writ so large like a freight train, it is a wonder why as people that we don't see it coming. As a freight train the truth is that we do see it coming when the toxic is visible, instead of having the courage to speak up, we walk on egg shells. We eventually get to realize that if we speak up the toxic spill enlarges and we do not possess sufficient courage to face a toxic explosion - but we will wait for someone else to have an implosion, and then we will divert our attention to that person who has imploded rather than take course of action against the toxic person. Now we may agree to this paragraph but that agreement itself may reveal our failure to see more. That the toxicity of the person may actually involve the toxicity of a hidden player - and what we confront is actually a symptom and not the root cause. The root cause can be hidden away in an organization or some other place for years and this is where toxicity is maddening - because we will not know that which is our paranoia from that which is the actual root cause. The narcissist operates this way and opens up vulnerable people that we then label as toxic - the narcissist not only opens up the toxicity, but watches it flow into the organization and is also proficient in how to clean up the mess. The mess is the imploded victim or the exploded toxic host. Yes, host because this parasite called the narcissist has done his or her work and their next promotion will be no less devious. This is how narcissists become leaders and even manage things like glass ceilings. Why are presented two versions of the devil in religious texts? The one that is so obvious and visible with horns and evil, but another that is the angel of light, a Lucifer - an Anti-Christ that looks like a saviour but is as Elvis sings, "the devil in disguise" (but here not about a woman). In boxing it is the punch we did not see, that knocks us out.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

4 years ago #12

If toxic is a dangerous chemical, writ so large like a freight train, it is a wonder why as people that we don't see it coming. As a freight train the truth is that we do see it coming when the toxic is visible, instead of having the courage to speak up, we walk on egg shells. We eventually get to realize that if we speak up the toxic spill enlarges and we do not possess sufficient courage to face a toxic explosion - but we will wait for someone else to have an implosion, and then we will divert our attention to that person who has imploded rather than take course of action against the toxic person. Now we may agree to this paragraph but that agreement itself may reveal our failure to see more. That the toxicity of the person may actually involve the toxicity of a hidden player - and what we confront is actually a symptom and not the root cause. The root cause can be hidden away in an organization or some other place for years and this is where toxicity is maddening - because we will not know that which is our paranoia from that which is the actual root cause. The narcissist operates this way and opens up vulnerable people that we then label as toxic - the narcissist not only opens up the toxicity, but watches it flow into the organization and is also proficient in how to clean up the mess. The mess is the imploded victim or the exploded toxic host. Yes, host because this parasite called the narcissist has done her is his work and their next promotion will be no less devious. This is how narcissists become leaders. Why are presented two versions of the devil in religious texts? The one that is so obvious and visible with horns and evil, but another that is the angel of light, a Lucifer - an Anti-Christ that looks like a saviour but is as Elvis sings, "the devil in disguise" (but here not about a woman). In boxing it is the punch we did not see, that knocks us out.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

4 years ago #11

If toxic is a dangerous chemical, writ so large like a freight train, it is a wonder why as people that we don't see it coming. As a freight train the truth is that we do see it coming when the toxic is visible, instead of having the courage to speak up, we walk on egg shells or we realize that if we speak up the toxic spill enlarges and we do not possess sufficient courage to face a toxic explosion - but we will wait for someone else to have an implosion, and then we will divert our attention to that person who has imploded rather than take course of action against the toxic person. Now we may agree to this paragraph but that agreement itself reveals our failure to see more. That toxicity of the person may actually involve the toxicity of a hidden player - and what we confront is also a symptom and not the root cause. The root cause can be hidden away in an organization or some other place for years and this is where toxicity is maddening - because we will not that which is our paranoia from that which is root cause. The narcissist operates this way and opens up vulnerable people that we then label as toxic - the narcissist not only opens up the toxicity, but watches it flow into the organization and then knows how to clean up the mess. The mess is the imploded victim or the exploded toxic host. Yes, host because this parasite called the narcissist has done her is his work and their next promotion will be no less devious. Why are presented two versions of the devil in religious texts? The one that is so obvious and visible with horns and evil so visible, but another that is the angel of light, a Lucifer - an Anti-Christ that looks like a saviour but is like as Elvis sings, "the devil in disguise" (but not about a woman). In boxing it is the punch we did not see, that knocks us out.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#13
"Toxicity occurs when we give away our energy"- this is a genius way of looking at toxicity. Do you imply that we inflict toxicity upon us when we give away our energy Phil Johnson, MBL? A lot to think about and I am truly grateful to you for writing such a thoughtful comment.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Toxicity is epidemic and therefore I concur with you with your comment. I mean this part of your comment "a "top down" scenario where the supervisor creates the toxic relationship I've seen this from a bottom-up perspective as well". Your second point is valuable about growth and toxicity and your observation is subtle "I'd say such growth (at the expense of infecting others with their toxic disposition) would be temporal, illusory and without lasting benefit or self - satisfaction". Even in plants who use toxicity as strategy for growth suffer eventually as well. Plants have symbiosis relationship with fungi, bacteria and other species and so eventually they harm selves. I salute your very deep comment.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#9
Yes, I agree Bill Stankiewicz, \ud83d\udc1d Brand Ambassador. But also management should be aware of the causes that make employees toxic.

Bill Stankiewicz, 🐝 Brand Ambassador

Management needs to control toxic employees

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

The rider and horse example is brilliant Deb\ud83d\udc1d Lange. I greatly appreciate your comprehension of our world.

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

#1
what a brilliant comment by the comment queen Deb. No plants are toxic out of spite but why humans do ? Ali Anani very beautifully used nature to draw a picture on how organisations make employee's toxic. I vouch for this Dr Anani as I have seen such lovely people act evil turned by the manager's into a selfish person. It's pointed out as a horse race where the rider must fall off his horse and get wounded so he can't compete again. The evil seed is planted and hence they become toxic. Tearing people apart is something done in a few places. The plant is uprooted sometimes if they don't know how to be toxic.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#5
Love your your appreciation and voicing out your passion

Jan 🐝 Barbosa

Jan 🐝 Barbosa

4 years ago #3

Love the comparison with the natural world !!!! Great read !!!!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

What caused the wounds to the plant? I hope not a toxic environment dear debasish majumder. If this environment is persistent then more plants shall fester while the environment shall be even more intoxicating. Yes, in some cases we need to remove the plant, but it is more rewarding if we remove the root causes.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#1
You just spelled out my whole intention of communicating the messages in your victorious comment Deb \ud83d\udc1d Helfrich. I agree with you entirely. I feel very relaxed that I communicated what I intended to. Toxicity is mainly a product of the environment. I fully agree. I don't want to add more for fear I spoil your great comment. This is the first comment on this buzz and what a lovely one it is!

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