The Iceberg of Values

The Iceberg of Values

The real value of any social platform is its engagement value. It is the engagement of the readers with the author bees that lead to the development of all engaged parties. One comment that led to the writing of this buzz is a comment that Harvey Lloyd Wrote on one of my recent buzzes. He wrote β€œIt is the surface your layout that I attempt to break the tension. This is so that we may explore the motivation and values that support the surface. It has always been my contention that skills and knowledge are things we can acquire. Values and motivation are things only the individual can build”. It is the motivation that comes from sustainable values that make the difference. When we solidify our values, we get truly motivated from within.

In my response to Harvey I mentioned that he reminds me of icebergs- what we see above the surface is only ten% of goes below the surface. The tension at the surface is because of the forces that interact bellow the surface. In my response to Harvey’s comment I wrote β€œit is the iceberg of comments”. In fact, so many things we do in life have an iceberg effect- what goes on the surface reflects the hidden powers below the surface that interact to produce the observable behaviors.

Intrinsic motivation is superior to extrinsic motivation and our values are the dynamos that motivate us to do what we do to achieve a purpose. This is a hugely important issue. For example, in storytelling what motivates the hero to act and face difficulties are his values that shape up his emotions and beliefs which in turn lead him/her the way he/she does. If the values are flawed and so shall be the feelings and beliefs. The antagonist is motivated differently from the protagonist because he (the antagonist) has flawed values. If a company advertises a harmful product to make sizeable profits, then it has distortion of its values. What we see above the surface and appears sweet is in fact toxic below the surface. The purpose is making profit is legal, the purpose content and purpose value are distorted. The motivation forces are used for achieving goals. The power of motivation is used to employ wrong actions to achieve what is socially acceptable purpose on the surface, which is making profit.

I used before the litmus paper metaphor to show the relationship between values and all the way up to acting. I reproduce one image of relevance here. Our values affect our beliefs. Our thoughts also affect our beliefs and these in turn affect our attitudes and then actions. Our feelings affect our behaviors. If we consider motivation are a feeling of desire to do something, then we can see that motivation is a kind of feelings that lead us to behave the way we do. This is a complex situation as motivation-desire interact and feedback to each other.Β 

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If I wish to redraw the litmus-like image above to include them in an iceberg, then I would draw them like this.

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To act and behave in a certain way is what we see on the surface. I think of the AIDA loop (Awareness, Interest, Desire, Action) and the OODA loop (Observe, Orient, Decide, Act) as both loops end with action. That is what we see, but under the iceberg are the interacting factors that shape up our awareness, our feelings of interest and desire that lead us to act the way we act. Should we reconsider them by studying loops as icebergs as well? Where are our values and motivations that affect what we observe, and orient to? Your feedback shall be greatly appreciated.

It was a great comment from Fatima Williams that led me to realize the need to connect love to these loops. I deeply moved by Fatima’s great inspiration.

Life is as complex as an iceberg. What emerges on the surface is the resultant of the interacting forces below. To change what we see on the surface we need first to change the interacting factors below the surface. We need our values, our beliefs, our thoughts and our feelings to be healthy so that what appears on the surface is worthy.

Harvey LloydΒ contributed a great comment and added the next graph to include the disappointment scale with this clarification (as quoted by an e-mail which he sent for me).

Harvey wrote "The water line separates what we see with values and beliefs below.Β  But the above water aspects should be an accurate representative of those below the water.Β  The disappointment scale is what happens after the thoughts or feelings are expressed in public.Β  Giving rise to scenario A whereby we enter back into our feelings or scenario B we search our values to test the response before we develop the feeling or thought given by initial disappointment.

I felt the iceberg does not exist in singleness but is always within a group of icebergs.Β  Disappointment is something we cant have without reflection from others or our environment created by others.

Your thoughts here?

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Mt thoughts are that we may bifurcate into different paths after disappointment (paths A and B) as suggested by Harvey. I am sure the reader will have his mind and experience on this. How did you feel after being disappointed? What was your reaction? This is something of interest for all of us.

Second addition- I googled the iceberg of emotions and feelings. I found a very interesting graph. Disappointment is placed below the surface of the iceberg. I added an arrow to disappointment to highlight its position. Do you agree, or should disappointment be placed above the surface as is shown by the image contributed by Harvey Lloyd?

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The great comments of Harvey LloydΒ send my mind back to my own writing. That feeling disappointed would send us to A or B is somewhat projected graphically in my slideshare presentation titled "Iceberg of the Opposites" and Slide 5 in particular:

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Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#52
Thank you for accepting the invitation Franci\ud83d\udc1dEugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador. You point to a very interesting point "My thoughts are what we see above the surface is just an example of what is underneath". May be yes, but on a much smaller scale. For example disappointment builds up till it reaches anger on the surface. The intensity is different, but surely it all started with a bad feeling. What we see above the surface is only 10% below the surface. When you write a buzz you do so much work and read, draw notes. What we see is your effort- the buzz, but we don't see the effort you put in writing the buzz. May be you wrote more than one draft. That we don't see. We don't see how you reacted when you were looking for the right term to describe something and the trouble that goes in this process. Yes, what we see is the fruit, but the roots that produced the fruits are underground.

Franci 🐝Eugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador

#47
Thank you for the invitation. I started to read this buzz yesterday and had to tend to some other things. My thoughts are what we see above the surface is just an example of what is underneath. Also, icebergs have layers, which when thought of as feelings don't we build emotions upon emotions thus resulting in anger, sadness, happiness. etc? The iceberg can represent bad or good feelings, which if we are never made aware of what is below the surface how can we truly judge a person? But a lot of people do just that! Interesting and thought-provoking piece Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#50
Which comes first values or beliefs? That is a question and big one too my friend Edward. If our values are distorted would we trust honest people? Would we trust anybody who behaves trustfully? If I have a belief that all Arabs are bad then my values would be shaken if I value humans are their rights to have equal opportunities. Beliefs may not stem out of facts. That is why I tend to give values priority. As for your other point on detachment and intention- you have a solid point. I am looking at how most people act- do they to expect more than to intend. Rarely I heard a person saying I intend to. More often I hear people say now that we provided you with so and so we expect you to excel. I look for kids who are so attached their parents and how they change when have the opportunity to detach. Some attachments are artificial because of the need for support and mainly financial support. As these kids grow up and detach physically for different reasons they tend to grow the way they want to. Sometimes very strong attachment preclude movement and confine a person to a limited space. You keep me thinking my friend.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

They say Nandita De if somebody doesn't find the time then he/she should make it. I hope at least that you make it because you are a gifted writer.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

I invite Franci\ud83d\udc1dEugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador for I am sure she shall enrich these discussions.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#45
I concur and agree with you entirely Harvey Lloyd. The iceberg for me is a visual presentation of bed feelings such as disappointment. The questions you suggest are great. Question 2 "What values are the others leveraging within the disappointment"? is crucial because we need to turn such feelings to build moving forward power. As in all cases in life we need to ask the right questions to arrive at the right action. That is why I stressed in my previous comment the need to share our experiences in how we turned disappointment into an asset rather than a liability.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #39

#39
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee within any leadership setting we will experience deviation from our intended course, disappointment. My thoughts are that we shoudl anticipate these and use some of the ideas of the iceberg cycle described above. I have sat in many meetings where disappointment got dumped into feelings and behaviors moved a meeting in to a dodo sling fest. Sad. SO the effort on my part and i believe was to hand out a bit of a cheat card in these settings. Does the disappointment infringe on my values sets? What values are the others leveraging within the disappointment? Given the goals and my beliefs how can we both retain our values and move forward? Questions like these insure that we engage our beliefs in values within high emotion.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#43
This is a great thinking because you reason disappointment to learn from it and make better expectations next time. If we do that we turn disappointment into an opportunity to improve and advance.

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

3 years ago #37

Yes perhaps disappointed with my self that I did not train or lead in the right way which led to a poor performance. A disappointment that leads to reasoning & curiosity on why the employee wasn't able to give his all!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#41
Great and straight comment that speaks to my heart . You discussed disappointment with self; but how about disappointment resulting from others? You expect one of your employees to perform very well, but falls well below the expectation line? Wouldn't you feel disappointed? May be it is self-inflicted disappointment because you expected more than you should have. Or, disappointment with the employee because he performed below his ability. Are both scenarios similar?

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

3 years ago #35

#40
Disappointments IMHO mostly pull down confidence or send one into deep solitude of thoughts but has never aroused anger in my case! Anger is mostly caused due to conflict of common interests or opinions/beliefs.This may be because I was taught that it is carelessness or not well-thought actions that resulted in failures which in turn resulted in disappointments. I'm thinking in my humble opinion what freezes and solidifies my values are two things - WPD Love ( P can stand for passion and purpose)and our beliefs. If we have the wrong beliefs filled with disappointments then we are forming a toxic iceberg but if the same is frozen with values, love laden and purpose driving beliefs then it's good for the environment! To each one different factor and forces results in different ways!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#39
Your comment Harvey Lloyd to comment on your comment because of the two two gentlemen are involved in your comment. I wish again if we would share few of the disappointments and how we reacted to them. Did they develop into anger? Where they the cold wind that frozen our values and solidified them? Many ideas cross the mind.

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

3 years ago #33

#37
We become "denser" when we think! Hmmm, great thinking here and such a power-packed buzz. Ali Anani and Harvey have got all of us thinking. Deep thoughts here... The iceberg is a perfect way to explain the forces and factors that influence a being and its state. How do we solidify our values? Google says Values are "principles or standards of behaviour; one's judgement of what is important in life." I think Love solidifies our values especially when it is attached with purpose. because love can break beliefs and negative feelings. well there's alot to think about. But we must all agree as Harvey says, disappointments are where our values get tested or behaviours are expressed.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#35
Thank you Preston \ud83d\udc1d Vander Ven. Bellieve me the more I go in depth, I shallower I feel I am for I know more how less I got to know.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#36
Thank you for your wonderful comment Bill King. Your scientific analogy is great. My answer to your question "As I am typing this I can't help but wonder, Is this difference, the increase, in density of beliefs and value what helps to make a great leader? Raising the waterline so less is visible"/ is yes. We become "denser" when we think. Do we behave like water? Well,our bodies are 60-80% water and so may be that is the case. When we get chilled by fear and cold do we become denser and wiser? Oh- now I have to think more.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#33
More for me dear Debasish Majumder are the comments that are packed with new possibilities. I thank you for all your consistent support

Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

3 years ago #29

sir Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee, i consider your all posts as 'ice berg of opportunity' for one who can explore it to garner knowledge. your all posts are pact with wisdom. enjoyed read and shared. thank you for the buzz sir.

Pascal Derrien

Pascal Derrien

3 years ago #28

#26
Follow the exit sign if you can ;-)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#30
Perfectly correct

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #26

#27
Disappointment, which has many other terms that can describe the situation we can find ourselves, is similar to two people throwing a baseball. Each person has the ability to change the trajectory, speed and pace at which the ball travels between each other. Disappointment is merely a different pitch within the game of business and most importantly, diversity. How we catch disappointment will determine our next pitch within the scenario. If the goal is success then our pitch will be appropriate, if our goal changes to reflect the previous catch then we are now in chaos theory.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#26
I forgot to add the link to the LI discussion in my comment. Here it is for those readers who may be interested: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/4972340/4972340-5921901595884290048

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#25
Great and in my previous comment I mentioned that when our expectations fall below the line that we may follow different paths. Yes, it is complexity arising from the interactions of what seems simple feelings, but they compound to something we never expected.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

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#23 I have just re-edited the buzz again by adding an image to show that when we have feelings and the bifurcation of paths these feelings make lead us to. So, as you see, you remind me of my own work. One example is reading your thoughtful line Harvey Lloyd "This is near universal. A leader who stands on honor in one setting and then releases the honor for profits in the next. In long meeting i have seen this take place and watched the attendees somewhat gasp at the duplicity of the leader". You reminded me of a slideshare presentation that I wrote a while ago titled "Businesses Living Double Standard Values" https://www.slideshare.net/hudali15/businesses-living-double-value-lives I extend the same to leaders for what applies to businesses extends to us. You are very correct and this issue deserves far greater attention. LI started a healthy discussion on this presentation and the comments are in line with what you say here my friend. Coming back to your initial comment on disappointment and how it could lead us into scenario A or B is again a worthy issue that deems further exploration. You reminded me again of my presentation "Below the Expectation Line" https://www.slideshare.net/hudali15/bel-46134924 When our expectations are not met we feel disappointed. I see eye to eye with you and the presentation justifies my claim.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #22

#19
Pascal Derrien In many contextual circumstances i agree with the very flippant nature of "perception is reality" I have seen this phrase used as an faitacompli statement to head off real debate. I don't like to use the statement out loud but is a burning question when preparing introduction of new thoughts or topics. When folks perceive the world as flat and now through analysis we can see that it is round. How do we change that perception without invoking shattered paradigms. Its merely a prerequisite question to altering the perception of an entrenched habit after your own perception has been changed. Here in the airplane over New York we have had to change our perception that we can exist within this paradigm through means of Skype, email and protein snacks. A break through perception is that we may have the opportunity within our time machine to exit before we got on the plane:)

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #21

When using the matrix described within the info graphic we can assume disappointment at different levels during the execution of our goals. Disappointment is merely the interpretation that what we thought would happen is now in question. Humans like for things to logarithmic without change. Any change is seen as the infinity symbol. If we look at Scenario A disappointment would become an internal emotional matter and our efforts would be to focus on getting the system back in line with our previous thoughts. This process would assume that the trajectory we had settled on was perfect. If we allow Scenario B to happen then we establish that whatever caused the disappointment is not in conflict with our values or beliefs and let the change have its day in discussion. Either changing the trajectory or establishing a firm foundation for the current one through diversity. By treating disappointment in its many forms as a fluid part of success and establishing that our beliefs and values are in tact, we can approach complex change with the diverse minds of many. Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee the simplicity of the thoughts here are what make the process so compelling within complex paradigms.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#22
I deeply appreciate your comment and thoughtful sharing of the buzz Savvy Raj. Thank You

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #19

Wow, i am astonished. My back door submittal was merely a discussion piece to organize around where i saw your post going. Thank you for including my thoughts and presentation. I don't want to drag in previous posts and cloud the simplicity here but would add that this is the resulting nature of a our archetypes presented by Jung within personality typing. These discussions can be looked up and reviewed for their own story line. I did want to introduce though that info-graphics like this are personal. A sort of self awareness exercise. I find it much easier sometimes to fly by the seat of my pants rather than review a diagram as you have created here. The listicles that get presented as a stairway to success tend to leave many gaps whereby we fill the balance with our imagination. Habits are our internal processes that we invoke during times of need. We don't necessarily see them as habits but rather as natural, truthful responses in various settings. The info graphic discussion here is a way for us to understand if our habits are consistent. One of the oddities i have recognized is that each of us can sense when a value is changed to benefit and individual. This is near universal. A leader who stands on honor in one setting and then releases the honor for profits in the next. In long meeting i have seen this take place and watched the attendees somewhat gasp at the duplicity of the leader. This info-graphic is a good starting place for any individual to check, realign or put forth a new habit. As humans we all go off on emotional tangents. Each has their buttons. One of mine is self-serving manipulation of truth. But by using the info graphic i always have a place to come home too. Not in some aristocratic way but rather to become the person to help serve up win-win where possible.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#19
The quality of icebergs and seldom an iceberg to be present alone. How do you tell the quality of an iceberg? Great point for discussion by Pascal Derrien

Pascal Derrien

Pascal Derrien

3 years ago #17

Shallow waters for many icebergs so there is not much to expect sometimes in a world full of one liners including one I particularly despise : perception is reality

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

I expanded the buzz to include a modified image by Harvey Lloyd. It is worthy of your attention.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

I edited and expanded the post to include a modified image with great thinking behind from Harvey Lloyd. This is real engagement and throws many points for discussions. Let us share our disappointment experiences and what followed them.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#15
Thank you for your splendid clarification and comment Harvey Lloyd. Tension is dynamic because it has the continuing struggle between two different feelings, values, emotions or whatever. Your writing "Most likely we have bumped into two sets of values that are different". They are values in conflict and the shift between disappointment and hope is continuing and varies with time and so it is dynamic. I am so glad that you highlighted this point< Equally important is your observation "No idea evolves without disappointment". We need to remember this fact and remind ourselves that there is no hope and no success without disappointment. Great comment and inspiration as always. I am hopeful.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #13

I sent you an email and may have inadvertently confused your model within intrinsic review vs execution. I saw the diagrams you presented as dynamic within executing around goals/wants/needs. In any case we should be able to see the values generated by ones belief through the execution of their "plan" as demonstrated by their behaviors. The disappointment scale is more reflective as the idea that came through the process meets the real world. For me this is a fantastic model for each individual to shuffle around and establish the systemic approaches to birthing ideas from beginning to end. I found it interesting that you did include the disappointment scale within the model. For me this scale is a permanent fixture within the cycle. How we handle the disappointment is the test of our systemic belief and value system. No idea evolves without disappointment but how we engage disappointment is the function of your iceberg metaphor. Disappointment is where our values get tested. Most likely we have bumped into two sets of values that are different. One is challenging the other. Its not personal. Great piece as always.

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

3 years ago #12

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee...And it is of no surprise that your honey collects swarms of bees;-)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#12
Dearest - you have been overly kind to me today. You published a buzz on LI and you dedicated it for me. https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6373965064780730368/ANd what a great post it is with its great meanings. This comment shows your hugely impressive character and what a beloved person you are! If words could talk then they would be able to express my gratitude to you.

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

3 years ago #10

Thank you dear Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee you bring up another intriguing buzz and summed it up with love as one of the foundation stones. I love to elaborate my thoughts on this soon. But the synchronicity is priceless. For me to write the below after reading my Bible verse for the day. I was trying to think of one such person and my mind & heart thought of you. I wish to post my dedication post below. Give, and it will be given to you; a good measure--pressed down, and running over--will be poured into your cup. For with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you." #luke 6.38 You get what you give! You reap what you sow! When you make the effort to be thoughtful to others, your actions seem to naturally boomerang back to you. In the real world, one may be concerned about the time and effort of going out of the way to enrich another persons experience, but in truth this leads to an engagement, friendship, a dedicated learner with loyalty and this is sealed in the capsule of time.

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

Thank you dear Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee you bring up another intriguing buzz and summed it up with love as one of the foundation stones. I love to elaborate my thoughts on this soon. But the synchronity is priceless. For me to write the below after reading my Bible verse for the day and I was trying to think of one such person and my mind & heart thought of you. I wish to post my dedication post below. Give, and it will be given to you; a good measure--pressed down, and running over--will be poured into your cup. For with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you." #Quoteunknown You get what you give! You reap what you sow! When you make the effort to be thoughtful to others, your actions seem to naturally boomerang back to you. In the real world, one may be concerned about the time and effort of going out of the way to enrich another persons experience, but in truth this leads to an engagement, friendship, a dedicated learner with loyalty and this is sealed in the capsule of time.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

- you are mentioned in this buzz

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#7
You captured a hugely important point Susan \ud83d\udc1d Botello in that motivation and passion towards something are interconnected. You are spot on and as wonderful as I hope your wonderful week shall be.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#6
A comment that drives my mind and rotates it deserves more than just a response. It deserves a dedicated buzz. Your comment Nandita De is one of those valuable comments. I shall write a buzz on it. You bring a hugely-relevant point is "what cracks the surface" and what happens afterwards. You open many possibilities in my mind. I shall share them soon with the readers with due acknowledgement to you. This is the type of engaging comments that really enrich the reader and writers. With comments like this I have no worries of any contaminant that I would encounter. It is all purity of the "thinking waters".

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#4
With all eagerness I await your detailed comment Harvey Lloyd, mainly to explore the iceberg of "what is visible should reveal that which is not".

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #4

Traveling now. But into all thoughts are that you have captured the strata of above and below the tension line That being said we can also state that what is visible should reveal that which is not The carnival clown is a representation of our inability to determine what is not seen. Trust and viability is difficult to obtain when we engage a painted face. I would like to follow up after travel today

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#1
You wrote a challenging comment dear Debasish Majumder in which he wrote "Values and motivation are things only the individual can build:. There are external motivators, but the real one are the internal ones which motivate us to realize our values. I wonder what Harvey would say! Thank you my friend for sharing the buzz and for starting the discussion with a truly provocative comment.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Harvey Lloyd- you are mentioned in this buzz

Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

3 years ago #1

intriguing is the ambiance where ice berg form and in nature, how it express its entity, which we human observe and in terms of the reflection we receive, we may use it as a metaphor to express our expression. neither we can frozen our cerebral according to our wish, neither we can draw any inference out of the observation of it. we may perhaps apprehend a hidden disaster out of its presentation in nature. values and motivation too, i guess, are largely depend on the external conditions and hardly human faculty have any inherent expression to infer anything out of his own faculty. it is the experience and observation which may enable one to draw any inference, and that too may not always effective, as we cannot see so many things in our naked eye, put can perceive in our cerebral, like atom. however, lovely insight sir Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee! it may true in terms of your wisdom whatever we have yet received till date you have shared to enrich us and more we can expect, more you share with us. enjoyed read and shared sir. thank you for the buzz.

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