The Predator-Prey Emotions

The Predator-Prey Emotions

The journey of emotions affects affect our behaviors. This can be best visualized by watching the wave of emotions in the stock markets worldwide. The emotions start with the intensification of the positive emotions till disappointment is encountered and expectations fall below their expectation lines. This leads to the generation of negative emotions intensifying till they carry the investor to a rock-bottom state and the investors positive emotions become the prey for negative emotions. When a ray of hope appears the re-birth of positive emotions start, and a new wave of positive emotions build up.

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The predator negative emotions feed on the prey positive emotions. This reminds me of the prey-predator relationship in which the predators eat up the preys till no or enough preys are available and the predators suffer from hunger. It is an indirect way of committing suicide.

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We fall preys to our emotions and our behavior follows a wavy path. These waves can become turbulent and we need to surf their turbulence like great surfers surf the turbulent waters. This fact was beautifully reflected in a comment by Harvey Lloyd on my previous buzz. In his comment #38Β I believe Harvey wrote β€œI would do a nested triangle. The top one would have past, present and behavior with future potential in the middle. The nested triangle would be Behavior in the middle with experiences, skills and education on the outside legs. Behavior would serve in both. The bonds between the two triangles are inseparable. I tried different ways to reflect graphically Harvey’s thoughts. The best I could come up with is the next image.

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We suffer from negative negativity in which the negative brings more negativity. We lose balance and our behaviors become chaotic. We reach the stage of far-from-equilibrium emotionally and we become the preys to our own predator feelings.

The behavior in the stock markets are related the future potential of the investments. The past and present experiences affect our behaviors, which are again controlled by the skills, experiences and education of the investors. These behaviors are extensible to all of us whether we invest in stock market, in our futures, in our hopes, in our expectations.

We are not only investing our money; more we are investing in building our capacity to stay away from the disrupting extremes.
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Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#222
Surely I will dear Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

3 years ago #206

#221
Great news Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee, please drop me a note before.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#220
Your authentic self dear Milos Djukic is the best proof of what you say. I hope to visit your country and Romania late this summer.

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

3 years ago #204

#215
We should never lose ourselves. Dear Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee, you are a social leader. Thank you for that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C2EqVR1TTY

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#218
I am so glad I did dear Tausif Mundrawala. Blessed you are

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#216
Dear Tausif Mundrawala- having arrived dawn time to Istanbul without having a minute of sleep is tiresome. However; reading your comment I feel its blot of ink has taken a great comforting form for me. I feel relaxed and relieved. Thank you for relieving my tired body and for sharing the buzz.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#214
Social fallacy is the stray and social philosophy is the needle of order within the chaotic stray. You are the father of "fractals forever" dear Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

3 years ago #200

My public appearances must be carefully thought out. Social media misinformation and manipulations will be marked soon as a dark age. We fight our insignificance. The harder we try, the higher the wall. That's the reason why I started to writing about social philosophy in social media. It is my duty as a professor. There is no other or commercial reasons. Yet, Fractals are forever. Thanks Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

3 years ago #199

#164
Thanks Cyndi wilkins. It seems that I am ready :) I'd like to follow by example.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#211
#211 To agree on the goal is a must, but difference on the path isn't. When we share goals we know the destination, but how to get there and the routes to the goal may cause initial chaos from which we should seek order.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #197

#208
I believe the word here is counterintuitive. We want to be in agreement and everything is nice and tidy. Win/win requires that we focus on the goal that we can all share. This means we need to fully understand what all parties engaged see as winning. The process of understanding the parties can create disagreement as we walk through the process. Upsetting the agreement we seek. This is counterintuitive. I share a story that each of us could write, again the faces and the names are different but the same mountain of chaos is climbed by all if success is achieved.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#209
I am an open book for you Harvey Lloyd and therefore I don't ever feel betrayal that you stepped in my life or walked outside your barriers. This is a fact. Yes, betrayal is an extreme case of chaos. Now, you kindle a new thought in my mind. What chaos companies experienced when an employee betrayed the company and leaked its secrets? I think this idea might reveal more on the chaos of betrayal. If you my friend consider sending my mind into chaotic states by your great thoughts then I love this kind of betrayal for I thrive on it. I then seek to find the order within the chaos and a new buzz idea emerges as you have done now skillfully.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #195

#205
If i might be so bold as to venture into the main skill you have developed from your chaos. You have shared some of the narritive here, and i believe that the chaos may surround the biggest of all chaos. Betrayal. This is one of the most chaotic forms chaos brings to us. Your skill within this narritive is to keep your full brain online even amidst betrayal, but is probably one of your biggest things to avoid. Business experiences betrayal constantly. Betrayal being in-house, competition or customers not acting according to assumptions. To you this is child’s play and you would add level thinking to a group who may be in chaos. I may be off from my assumptions here and forgive me if i have stepped outside my boundaries. The hope you bring is to others during chaos as your chaos sees theirs as trivial.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#206
"The easy path is pure agreement, the wise path is to know that each of us fear failure and provide understanding of success (Win/Win), the hard path".This is paradoxical for me Harvey Lloyd because you share your experiences and wisdom so freely that I find almost very little to disagree with you. I need to disagree with you to learn more. I hope that would happen one day.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#205
You don't need to count your lessons as you share them in your comments dear Lisa Vanderburg. They are too many to count

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #192

Early in my business life, i was young and very wet behind the ears. The world was suppose to work according to the doctrine i was exposed to in school. I found out very quickly it didnt work that way. My first realization was that i was a cat with a long tale in a rocking chair store. My communication skills were terrible. I walked in to customer offices and for some reason was so fearful i could hardly speak. I was in my own chaos zone. Roger Dawson, a famous negotiator had a cassette tape series on negotiations. I wore out the first set of tapes. There was one comment that summarized the entire experience. Everything is owned or controlled by someone else. If you want to share in it, you have to learn to influence. It took a while but the story lead me to understand we all want something from each other. The easy path is pure agreement, the wise path is to know that each of us fear failure and provide understanding of success (Win/Win), the hard path. Within this idea is the hard understanding. If i cant play win/win, then no deal. I found it hard at first to say no deal. I was a start up and wanted to say yes to everything. Naturally i entered chaos again with projects where win/lose became the mantra. Not only did i learn the lesson of no deal, but within this chaos i learned how to convert win lose to win win. Chaos, no matter how we are drawn in, is a place we can learn new skills of understanding and emerge into order brother and ready for the next round of chaos.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #191

#201
Every single sentance here Harvey Lloyd has profound merit, but this I choose: 'If i have ventured into chaos and learned a skill of finding order, this is the real story, not the chaos.' I would love to rise to your challange of 10-things-learned, but my brain's not big enough :) Instead, what I have learned is hope; Hope in so many who have contributed here that they will be the face of humanity in business. That brings me joy!!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#202
It is not me who writes the worthy comments my dear Lisa Vanderburg. It is great people like you who make the discovery worthy. I am only an initiator.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#201
Your crowned our discussions with this superb comment Harvey Lloyd. I shall quote you in one of my presentations in Istanbul. I mean this part of your comment "My hope would be that we each walk away with a different perspective that creates fertile ground for success. The chaos i have experienced is real but what is important about the chaos? The story of suffering or the challenges i overcame in finding success within the chaos? If i have ventured into chaos and learned a skill of finding order, this is the real story, not the chaos". My friend there is no disorder without order accompanying it and there is no fear with out accompanied courage. To find order and find courage we need to develop the skills of finding them rather than wasting our times complaining, feeling increasingly at loss and losing hearts. A truly gem comment this is.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #188

#199
#200 Good grief, Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee...how do you do that?? I'm still absorbed here and you're already up to 70+ comments on your next buzz! 'I don't tango alone and I am simply enjoying what I am learning here.' That is you, dear man!

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #187

#197
We all learn from the action and thoughts of others. If we look at this post we have all experienced metephor, science and philosophy. We have rewritten more ancient stories into our journey, the story we are writing is key. Others are participating and watching us develop the story. The question always looming is what does the participant gather from the story? My hope would be that we each walk away with a different perspective that creates fertile ground for success. The chaos i have experienced is real but what is important about the chaos? The story of suffering or the challenges i overcame in finding success within the chaos? If i have ventured into chaos and learned a skill of finding order, this is the real story, not the chaos. For me, we all have a shadow of overcoming something, the name and places may change but the shadow itself remains the same. The story of perspectives that helped change our trajectory is the real story. My basis for this thought is that nirvana does not exist. The way forward is always going to be tough, but we can have joy within it. The two are not mutually exclusive. I would challenge, from all pain, negative and thoughts of our narritive, we could make a list of 10 things that came from it that have helped us in life. Skills we had to develop within the narritive. What if we took these skills that provided survival and then used them for success? From pain comes wisdom, if we let the skill stand on its own and not let it build forts around our existance.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#198
I "play" to the music of great contributors like you dear Lisa Vanderburg. I don't tango alone and I am simply enjoying what I am learning here.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#197
Thank you Lisa Vanderburg. You have been a core element in enriching the discussions here my friend. I hope you don't the great discussions here as well. We need you at all times and spaces. https://www.bebee.com/producer/@ali-anani/the-trust-capital

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #184

Just look at what your generosity of spirit has allowed Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee...now that's a true exchange of ideas! The shoots growing off this one vein of yours are startling. THIS is what I love about beBee - the true gems like you that give us all freedom of expression. Thank you so very much!

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #183

#175
#191 Profound thanks Ian Weinberg for your indulgence here! #190 #189 Watched your TedTalk too Cyndi - great stuff! Harvey; you have taught me so much! The greatest asset we have is the ability to change our minds!

Ian Weinberg

Ian Weinberg

3 years ago #182

#191
Thanks for the kind words and feedback Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#190
Cyndi wilkins . I questioned if this is valid at all times on the almost equally great discussions exchanged on my subsequent buzz titled "The Trust Capital". https://www.bebee.com/producer/@ali-anani/the-trust-capital The discussions led me to question our senses that may see the rope as a snake. If we do we take on a different path- the fear path. How then could we trust our senses?

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#189
"Diversity is the answer to confirmation bias"- this is my takeaway for the day

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#179
The Golden Circle of the Core Why, followed by how and what is well-known. What is far less known or practiced is the feedback among them as stated in your comment "Diversity is opinions that carry a different how that may impact the why". If I understand well the explanations offered by Ian Weinberg in his comment #175 then I would not fear to say why is the brain-equivalent and how is the body-equivalent. An interesting idea to study in a greater depth.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#177
One indicator to the value of a buzz is the comment that it generates and the subsequent growing understanding of others without necessarily agreeing with them. This is a high level of empathy Cyndi wilkins. So, your eloquent writing "It certainly feels the eruption at that core of my being was necessary to create a short circuit of the negative thought pattern and pave the way for a more positive free- flowing pattern of universal energy". This is "transformation of thinking" and reading fills provides me with a great example of the impact of comments and their influential role. I am so happy for you my friend.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#175
Your splendid comment Ian Weinberg explains the positive feedback in human between their bodies and brains. This is the opposite of the negative feedback that stabilizes the human bodies such as body temperatures. That emotions in your example such as fear and their effect and on the brain and the feedback to the body shows that emotions may grow up out of proportion and beyond the capacity human body to "contain" them.

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

3 years ago #176

#189
If we listen to each other...truly LISTEN without interruption "The solution may lie somewhere in the middle.' That is what I was referring to earlier as the 'fringe'...... It takes a great deal of courage and patience to be unafraid to feel the burn when someone or something pushes up against our edges...Somewhere in the 'fringe' is the middle ground...through which, if we are able to keep our cool, breakthroughs in thinking and being can be made and a whole new journey begins. You just have to 'trust your instincts. Thank you for this excellent exercise in 'diversity' Harvey Lloyd;-)

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #175

#188
First, thank you, that you consider my thoughts within your own. Humbled. I watched the video i sensed my mind going in the wrong direction, i am glad i had the sense to hang on to the end. His final statements drew his storyline and data together. I wont spoil it for those who have not view it, but he nails it in the end. A little research on confirmation bias goes a long way. Humans require affirmation that what they engage in is supported. Also known as confirmation bias. Within this process we can find ourselves at the end of a loop that we are dropped off right where we started. Diversity is the answer to confirmation bias. But we first have to listen to those who we feel represent chaos. Not necessarily agree but listen, because they may have a solution to the issues somewhere in the middle. We cant find the middle if both sides claim righteousness in confrontation. I am not much on the social end of understanding, trust would be my wife. If it wasn’t for her i would probably be drawing cave paintings in luxuriant cave dwelling. But proffesionally i find the addition of opposing views as tantamount to success. The opposing views when understand are really close to my own. Fear is usually the separator. Thanks for the video as it reinforced the concept and more importantly you now see the world a little differently, all humans are trying to make sense of our meaning. The more diverse our focus becomes the better chance of building bridges.

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

3 years ago #174

#180
I thought of you the whole time I was watching this TedTalk Harvey Lloyd...The science of happiness...How our expectations impact our bias and how to activate our 'psychological immune system' by finding a way to be happy with what is happening in our life;-) https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_gilbert_asks_why_are_we_happy?utm_source=linkedin.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tedspread

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #173

#181
Amen sister!

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #172

#179
My Lord....Cassie Jaye & what she says about 'group think' demonizing our humanity hit me square beteen the eyes; how it turned to women demonstrating because of what she painstakingly learned is so very revealing - this coming from what I wrote (Backlash of the Sexes). Harvey - this is of paramount importance: truly and deeply LISTENING. So grateful to have heard this 15 minute Ted Talk!

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #171

#177
....past me the brush when you're done, lovely Cyndi wilkins. Looks like I have another canvas to do too :)

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #170

#175
An absolutely fascinating response, for which I'm most gratful Ian Weinberg! I've only just glanced over your paper but I look forward to learning its secrets - thank you so much! As you say of 'aggression....its value-add is context-based', so every emotion (thinking 'passion') must be? But what I gather simplistically is that our base-responses are dictated by our nurturing...this, I understand.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #169

#181
Amen

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #168

#171
well..at last count: eight....

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

3 years ago #167

#179
I love her comment here as an interviewer that no one will ever listen more carefully to you than someone that transcribes your words...and as she suggested, I did write it down;-) It is the careful and compassionate listening that creates the motivation for an evolving view...mutual respect for one's self and another, even if we disagree, is the path to conquering our biases. This is the path of love...and as you fine tune your ideas and begin the transition, the route becomes more difficult as the obstacles are much harder to overcome. This is why many of us fall back into the 'path of least resistance.'

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #166

#178
Yes the fundamental is value gained or loss. Perceived or real. Again in my reductionist way i would state that if we can understand the differing values that are being fretted over we can move forward. But if we get hung up in that emotional melodrama of who has the bigger stick, overtly/covertly. Game over, value lost.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #165

#177
I noticed while exploring unpopular ideas folks would assign me to a team. The unpopular team. This was because, today, exploration within something then we agree with the underling principals. So we must be on that team. Yet i hear everyone talking about diversity. Diversity is opinions that carry a different how that may impact the why. I want to hear all diverse opinions. I will question them to see if depth is present. If its merely a fear manifesting itself i wont spend much time on it. But if fear and comprehensive debate exist i am all ears. Thank you for your comment, i believe you heard what i was attempting to say. We can walk up to some chaos and find wisdom without agreement and without losing life. I would state though, courage will be needed. As you accept that diversity is worth pursuing even though you may disagree, friends and associates will assign you to a team. Be prepared to be confronted. I believe we share some personality traits and you will be able to meet this head on. https://youtu.be/3WMuzhQXJoY I found this video amazing. Not necessarily from content but that presupposition was firmly attached and the reporter allowed the research to form a new understanding. Again without agreement or abandonment within her on beliefs, but was persuaded to see the project outcome from a diverse view.

Ian Weinberg

Ian Weinberg

3 years ago #164

#176
Thanks Harvey. Appreciated. I would propose that the subjective emotion/mind state of 'passion' necessarily incorporates the personal gratification associated with recognized meaning and purpose (dopamine mediated), belief (oxytocin mediated) as well as the subjective belief that the engagement is value contributing. A threshold amount of self-esteem/self-efficacy would also be required to initiate and sustain the engagement.

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

3 years ago #163

#165
#169 #167 The most fascinating piece of this discussion for me is observing the transformation of my own thinking from the rigid 'discomfort zone' of one having been 'wickedly hurt' by the predator...as recognized by Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee in my earlier comments...To that of the 'Free-Flowing- Fluidity' of understanding. (try to say that three times fast;-) However, as Harvey Lloyd so astutely points out, understanding does not equal agreement. As I am no expert in such matters, is that what is being referred to here as 'anti-fragile thinking? It certainly feels the eruption at that core of my being was necessary to create a short circuit of the negative thought pattern and pave the way for a more positive free- flowing pattern of universal energy. The root composition here is love. When we use that as our guide, vast horizons open before us to create the life we desire...Thank you for providing me with a blank canvas to paint myself anew;-)

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #162

#175
You have been a great teacher along the lines of this topic. Although science has revealed certain cranes aspects it is the common human being that must endure the chaos of the day, whether personal or proffesional. My thought is that the words passion and aggression represent a definition the common person can work within. Passion being goal focused and aggression being fear focused. I hate to reduce the science, but it is the only way i can take the science into mainstream and execute around something that makes sense to me. Diliniating the challenges and execution strategies for lay folks would be a grand help. Thanks as always for the views you present. They help in defining our existance in a way we can subjectively reduce to actionable strategies.

Ian Weinberg

Ian Weinberg

3 years ago #161

#160
#161 #165 #163 Thanks for the tag Lisa Vanderburg The concept of emotion incorporates underpinning neurophysiology which is further influenced by the somatic (body) consequences, which then feed back on to the neurophysiology. As an example, the subjective β€˜feeling’ of fear results in the adrenaline mediated somatic effects such as a rapid heart rate, dry mouth etc which aggravate the fear complex. At the pure neurophysiological level, emotion arises out of the integration of nurture experiences with stereotyped neural centers. Thus for example feeding deprivation and possible low glucose, trigger the amygdala which mediates physiological effects that are similar to those associated with fear. In this way the subjective emotion of fear is established. It is therefore important that when describing emotions, we need to have congruency between the semantics, the neurophysiology as well as the nurture dynamics. Only then can one work towards a sustaining intervention. In this context then, what is aggression? Is it a fear of loss/failure/recognition driven phenomenon or is it a pure end-driven focused strategy? Does it incorporate an element of hostility (vengefulness)? We have been researching and quantifying aggression clinically and in the corporate space for the past 10 years and have come to recognize that its value-add is context-based. What of passion? Well, you’d need to fully define it before correlating it with emotional and neurophysiological components. www.pninet.com/articles/Memory.pdf

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#167
We are happy with the consequences of your comments dear Lisa Vanderburg. They are like a volcano followed by minor ones and you disrupt our minds and move them out of their comfort zone. I say this comfortably

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#166
Thank you Simone Luise Hardt for your appreciation and sharing the buzz

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#164
- Reading your comment here and your previous comment #160 Cyndi wilkins shows your modesty. You shook up my mind with your comment and soon I am writing a buzz building on it (#160)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#163
I wonder what kind of legs you have Lisa Vanderburg for your mind runs on fourth gear

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#161
Your comment is precious @Edward Lewellen. It reflects that by limiting our thinking to one thought we also limit our behavior. I need time to build on your comment for it has far-reaching effects on our lives and business.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#160
Your comment here is valuable and shows why self-improvement is a continuous process. Improvement can only happen if we walk out of our comfort zone. If people stay in their comfort zones the environment becomes stagnant and a host for mold growth.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

I want first to apologize to all commenters who enriched the vivid discussions here. I have been very busy lately and I am steeling time to respond to your comments. I appreciate you all

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #153

#164
haha...we have a family curse: the minute any one of us brag about anything is ALWAYS followed by an overly large pratfall. I have no earthly idea why the big guns here put up with me....sssshhh :)

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #152

#161
Yes, the science is what helped me understand the process and how we attach information behind emotions. In understanding the emotion/information attachment i questioned whether the information was valid. My answers were a little Freudian, but helped me in business tremendously. In business my words or actions create emotion/information responses. If i pick up the emotion then i can only trigger my own, but if i seek the information behind the emotion i can maybe solve the equation of win/win. Doesn’t always work, however i havent found a better solution in proffesional/social settings. One of the fascinating things learned is folks assume because you want the information you agree with them concerning the goal of the emotion. Understanding does not equal agreement. Emotional folks seek agreement, or i call it a vote for them. Understanding the information behind the information is the only way to abate the attached emotion. I liked your redirection methods of reframing discussions around something a group shares, like the goal. Secondarily I figured out that emotions want something. Much like a baby crying with a wet diaper. Emotions are communicating something to the existential world. To understand it, is to share a journey. I am a free will advocate. I experience others emotions and get to choose how. A shared journey usually starts from emotions, how it ends is how your chose to experience the original. Thanks for your thoughts.

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

3 years ago #151

#162
Thank you for the kind words Lisa Vanderburg hit the nail square on the head in his post, 'The Fractal Revolution in Society.' ""The moment when we start to believe that we are influential is at the same time the final moment for our own rigorous review." I'm not sure I'm quite ready for that yet;-) Lol!!

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #150

#161
Obliged for your considered advise, and the mention Edward Lewellen would agree. It seems our instincts have grown 'legs'. Only good can come out of that, no?

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #149

#160
You are a good teacher Cyndi wilkins....fluidity is the key

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

3 years ago #148

#158
#159 Yes, well I think men are more likely to fall into the 'squaring-off' category whereas women tend to use emotional tactics as a means of control...Those at the top want nothing more than to stay there and will use whatever tactics at their disposal to fend off potential contenders to their cozy positions...A slippery slope for the well-intentioned innovator trying to create necessary change in a stagnant environment... People like to sit in their comfort zones, unchallenged by progressive thinking...and change makes them squirm...That is when the fear strikes and the cobra emerges with all it's venom. People need to stop this 'me first' mentality and learn to ride the wave of evolution. No matter who you are or where you are, you are all a little piece of this 'forever'...and like it or not, we are all responsible for the consequences of our actions...So whatever happens in your life is a result of your own personal decisions...It can either be your dream come true, or your own living nightmare. You get to decide;-)

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #147

#155
So then, with your affirmation Cyndi wilkins that this is not a gender-led response (which I agree with - there's a lot of 'swingin' dicks' in female management too!), do you think that ideal sucessful, wholesome management are those that have learned to modify primal behaiviour like squaring-off or aggression, but use their instincts to preempt conflict? #153 #157 ?

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#155
It is amazing that prior to responding to comments here I commented on the buzz shared today by CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit and falling on intuition, though many deny it, is my optimal option,.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#154
Like the coast of Britain and any other coast, the boundaries are fractal and they are gel-like changing with time and with circumstances. However; this flexibility and adaptability is meant to be to allow for some room of tolerance and empathy. I might be in a mood that make the boundary shrink to accept a criticism or harsh words, or, I could be in a reverse state in which my empathy extends the boundaries. I like so much the dialogue between you and Cyndi wilkins in her subsequent comment #155 because you extended the lines of understanding, resolving differences with respect and showing the world that by being understanding of others reflects maturity and understanding of ourselves.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#153
You stated "The leader should set the standard where boundaries exist. Inside the boundaries we should allow passionate discussion.". I agree, with one addition. The boundaries aren't rigid and they may change with changes in the business climate.

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

3 years ago #143

#151
#154 Absolutely no apologies necessary Harvey Lloyd, so much as it is a 'human' thing...We certainly do need boundaries in place if we are to all get along in this chaotic world...and be unafraid to feel the burn when someone or something pushes up against our edges...Somewhere in the 'fringe' is the middle ground...through which, if we are able to keep our cool, breakthroughs in thinking and being can be made and a whole new journey begins. You just have to 'trust your instincts.' By the way...Happy Independence Day everyone;-)

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #142

#149
Cyndi wilkins. I wanted to apologize if i stepped past a boundary. My major point is where does passion end and aggression begin. In watching our academy’s get mired down in this debate i thought it would be interesting to pose the question. How much passion/aggression is good and where does it cross the line? With a construction background, passionate debate, up to the edge of aggression, was part of the process. So the line for me is clear and way out front. The key for me was always when it turned personal, character confrontation and other debilitating language that exits the goal understanding. Boundaries are important and i sense we need probe these in each setting, never assume. In this dance of relationships we must find that line where the goal gets ofuscated by real/perceived aggression. That is the boundary. I would be interested in your point of view where these boundaries exist. Within each of us it is different. (Proffesionally or socially)

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #141

#149
I guess my clarification is more with time. Allowing aggression to make its point and see where it goes. Of course i dont believe in extreme settings this would be wise. When we look any situation the subjectivity is rampant. My point view, goals, change matrix and my fellow team members. We should allow some β€œpassionate” discussion to run its course. This allows all ideas to flow into the final decision. Tension is present but if we have evolved as far as we protest then we should be able to allow tension to a point. Tension is a part of chaos. Verbal or physical aggression pointed at individuals is not. Passion around a goal is the appropriate tension within debate, when it turns personal (Character assasination). Then we should refocus the individaul towards the goal, persistence in this area should be met with wrath. I sense our current world there is pent up fear that needs expression. Some allowances should be considered so that we may proceed with the skill and wisdom, with fear dispatched. The leader should set the standard where boundaries exist. Inside the boundaries we should allow passionate discussion.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#151
You have antifragile thinking dear Lisa Vanderburg

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #139

#149
Absolutely Cyndi wilkins, I agree with your instinctual prowess AND also taking the bullet as sacrifice for the team. Is this (gulp....dare I?) a gender thing? For sure, corporate life must be harder for females...unless you use the 'feminie-wiles' thing that is very old hat. 'we need people with antifragile thinking' #148 as is quoted by Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee saying about how group-instinct behaviour can become a sort of herd-panic. Totally agree you are dead to rights about 'seek not the approval of others when your own self-respect is on the line.' Fascinating discussion!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#149
Thank you Cyndi wilkins I am sure he has clarifications.

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

3 years ago #137

#110
#144 Not at all...I was referring to a portion of one of Harvey's comments... "Natural instinct within a team setting can become destructive." However I neglected to tag the reply button for him.. In so far as that goes..Sometimes we do have to "Take one for the team." It all depends on who's side your on;-)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#143
"The questions is more are we to focus on the conflict and raise the stakes? Or; are we to understand our differences and grow something better than our initial thoughts?" Nasim Taleb coined the term antrifragility and antifragile for people who come stronger after disruption. I extend the same, based on your comment Harvey Lloyd and say we need people with antifragile thinking.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#141
Very true and disruption is an opportunity to self-organize; unfortunately we are blinded by our fears.

Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

3 years ago #134

#143
i guess, the greatest art is to be adept in terms of judging the contradiction about the scale the height and how far we are lagging behind or ahead Harvey Lloyd. that alone will determine our status and as well our state whether we are in decaying phase or developing. lovely insight you shared sir. thank you for the share.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#140
It seems that we mostly tend to think of the past rather the present or the future prospects. Our pas pulls us to its memories.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#139
I am not differing with you Cyndi wilkins. Do you think otherwise?

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #131

#142
Great points Debasish Majumder. Yes the existential view is always in conflict with our internal perspectives/future self. Not merely because we fall prey, but rather when several existential views come together there is conflict. The questions is more are we to focus on the conflict and raise the stakes? Or; are we to understand our differences and grow something better than our initial thoughts? I have watched both scenarios play out. Good leaders stitching together the diversity and others shining up the battle armor. The later always fails.

Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

3 years ago #130

#141
i was extremely intrigued by an advertisement of a television of early eighties, where their catch line was, 'neighbors envy, owners pride'. it alone displays the contradictions within themselves! i guess, i can convey my message Harvey Lloyd in order to substantiate how helpless we are in terms of our dreams, hope and aspiration, which is mere a reflection being produced in our cerebral our if the external ambiance we are living?v thank you very much for your great insight sir.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #129

#124
Evil is when we have detached from reality and can only find benifit in someone else’s destruction. Fear on the other hand is merely a yield sign within our future perspective, when it is disrupted by change. I am reminded of the old western tv shows when everyone has a gun pointed at each other and someone either needs to shoot or put the gun down. A standard scene on the tv shows. Fear operates much the same way. When change brings disruption to an organization, regardless of how brought, everyone is looking for survival of their perspective. They want things to stay inside their zone of comfort, like yesterday:) Good leadership understands this part of the human condition. If we treat the fear itself we will only heighten its value. If we help others see a new paradigm that they can participate in.....successfully, we have valued team member. Unfortunately many cant find themselves within a new future. A future brought on by poor leadership or through market forces, it really makes no difference as to cause. They resist the change in lieu of understanding and modulating the change. The feedback loop of fear is what leaders watch. The stronger personalities tend to overcome the more open personalities establishing a hierarchy of outcomes. This further drives fears at the more open end of personalities. Good leaders know how to quickly subvert this natural process. Specifically, in a manner that establishes all hands on deck. Your questions represent the fundamentals of leadership within organizations. Yours are the real thoughts and questions of great decision makers, Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #128

#138
Yes. Many PhD folks such Haidt/Pinker and others are announcing the symbiotic relationship within individualism and group dynamics. Amazing these conversations are falling on deaf ears. From my perspective all of the tribes represent a destructive position as we go forward. We all need to share in the concepts of the future, from design to implementation. In this epoch though it would appear we havent left the tribalism of yesterday far enough behind. Every tribe thinks they have the right answer. Specifically as it applies to the other tribes being wrong. The research is clearly in as we rediscover what our ancestors already new. But facts give way to waves of emotional microphone displays.

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

3 years ago #127

#94
#98 ...Ah yes, the road paved with good intentions often leads to the 'snake pit.' ...that must fall somewhere under no good deed goes unpunished...However, taking the high road guarantees me a good night's sleep;-) I respectfully disagree with the notion that our instincts can become destructive...They are our truest moral compass...and they NEVER lie...people do. So seek not the approval of others when your own self-respect is on the line.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

One person that could easily enrich the discussions is my friend Edward Lewellen

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Tausif Mundrawala- where are you my friend? Your absence is noticeable.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#134
Thank you the adorable Lisa Vanderburg is on a trip because his "breath" is missing from beBee. I am sure he has many stories to tell. Chris \ud83d\udc1dR Guest- besides being busy at work he is also busy analyzing the soccer results and the lessons learnt. SUrely, his input will be greatly appreciated Franci\ud83d\udc1dEugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador- she has been a solid and serious contributor and commentors. I feel shy to invite her as she needs no invitation. - we miss you dear. Your brain is first class.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #123

I concur with the gracious Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#130
As much as I thank you for sharing the buzz Harvey Lloyd, this buzz is only a seed which you helped to grow into a tree. Your engagement and comments has taken this buzz to levels that I never expected. It is time to say thank you.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#129
It is a 53 minute video and so shall be watching later during the day.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#128
I meant sharing the story. So, sharing is yours.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #119

Leadership is evolving into a very dynamic choas atmosphere as social and proffesional are merging. Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee is broaching this moral construct through an excellent dialogue of Prey/Predator understanding. Join the discussion and expand the concept.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #118

https://youtu.be/2APK3tlPL_0 Jonathan Haidt is expressing some very fundamental views of how we are experiencing predator/prey environments.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #117

#127
Its not mine but cant find the story again after years of looking.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#123
Great story

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#120
In line with my responses to same comment.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#118
I wish I would reach to the top of your IQ Lisa Vanderburg

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#117
Reading your comment again many ideas come to my mind. "we can see the lines of predator prey align"- fear of leaders feeling they are the prey of change and fear of followers being the prey of the fearful leaders. Fear cascades and spirals through feedback of fear between the prey and the predator. Is this an evil alignment? When magnetic lines align they become stronger. Why do we align fears to strengthen fear? Harvey Lloyd I am happy that I have never seen you as a predator or prey. "We either adapt under those that lead or begin our own entrepreneur journeys that we can now express our vision of the future". This is a big issue for if the leaser loses self-trust and self-confidence then alignement with such losses can be extremely harmful. So many ideas to absorb

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #112

#120
A beautiful story that illustrates the point. A man took a beautiful day to traverse the side of mountain cliff face. With gear in hand he started his assent. The mountain proved harder than expected as he reached the point of no return before darkness came. He pushed forward. As the sun settled in the west his footing gave way and he began to fall. Safety devices were failing until he found himself hanging by hand on the rope. Darkness had set. All night he cried out for help and in the last of strength he heard a voice, Let Go. He thought that his time had come but refused to let go. He cried one more time and heard the same retort, Let Go. Off in the east he saw the first signs of light and new if he could just hang on a little longer he would be saved. As light began to show him where he was on the face he cried, he was four feet off the ground. Sometimes in the darkness of fear we are really inches away from survival, we just dont listen very well.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #111

#118
One of the fascinating concepts i have heard is the concept that we as humans evolved away from fear based protective strategies to how can the next person help me be successful. Certainly this concept is wrapped up in the theology of love your neighbor. But it doesnt express why. We should love our neighbor because they may have something that we need, as much as we may be offering. Although our fears may be triggered it is a loss if we cant subdue this fear and seek the knowledge the next has to offer. We can have one hand on our fear, and one ear and heart listening. These are not mutually exclusive. To operate in this mode requires courage to set self aside long enough to measure the true risk our fears are exposing.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Precisely, and I agree with you "It would appear that our search for diversity has created the opposite effect". We live in a global forest.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #109

#117
Pivotal points that I fully understand. 'Conditioning' factors like fear entrap us and prevent us from moving in keeping with time: like techtonic plates, they push harder until something gives and beware the fall-out. Great stuff!

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #108

#114
Society has evolved into needed group mutual trust. Whether the groups are down social lines or proffesional lines, we need that mutual understanding of individaul success. Cooperation between groups is how we have evolved today. This cooperation is breaking down along the lines of your post here. These are facts, not condemnations nor theology. But as we align within groups along predator prey positions the trust between groups is breaking down into warlike factions. Your story of the scorer reward is what i sense was the beginning of this latest social dilemma. Materialism has brought us to comparisons of wealth where we place ourselves along a curve of predator prey. It would appear that our search for diversity has created the opposite effect.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #107

#111
#114 .....Accountability? This is what you're saying I think Harvey Lloyd are sort of 'keeping each other honest' by bouncing off ideas. Is management without an unbiased accountability parner or arbitrator, dooomed to become corrupt? That's honestly the top of my IQ :)

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #106

#113
Within change management, which is a never ending process these days, we can see the lines of predator prey align. Market forces move quickly and the leader is constantly trying to see a future of success. There largest fear, what if i am wrong? Attempts to demonstrate the nature of the future perceived seem to fall in the predator catogory. The leaders of an organization must react to what they see within their own crystal balls. Those that consider themselves prey have not witnessed the future the leader has experienced. The leader attempts to describe the foreign concept but fear resides within the prey. Their attempt at survival is self destructive. My wish is always that we can stay the same and be successful. But change is the curse that time places on us. We either adapt under those that lead or begin our own entrepreneur journeys that we can now express our vision of the future. The failure of small business in the first year is phenomenal, and within the first three years, well most look back over the process and wonder what the hell they were thinking. We can help the leader see the future differently, join the vision or act like prey. The latter insures that we will be the dinner of our own self destruction.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#111
You open new windows of thinking Harvey Lloyd. Beyond the boundaries of your comment I started to think of having a team with mixed mentalities- one "orderly" mentality and the other with "chaotic" mentality. Is that better than having two "orderly" mentalities? Innocent question, but now I believe it is worthy and not as simple and innocent as it appears on the surface.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #104

#112
easier for me than Pareto; just gotta keep listening. Thanks for the heads-up to Jordan Peterson!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#110
Harvey Lloyd- somehow your comment brings to my mind the issue of prevailing cultures and how they influence the prey-predator relationship. Why people go for connect, collaborate in one culture and command and control in another culture. How rewards may turn some people into disengaged or into predators. For example, I recall a real story of a senior man promising each goal scorer in a derby match a huge reward. What happened in the match that each player wanted the glory for himself and wouldn't pass the ball. Instead, he would try his luck with a shooting attempt. The team work disintegrated and the team lost without scoring a single goal. What I want to say is that sometimes we may cause adversary and bad behaviors because of our ill actions. The story of prey-predator started to form new roots and merits a probing study.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #102

#110
Well, that got me running to Google Harvey Lloyd! You're right: animals are easier to understand and control...'Maybe we should test our thoughts within compassionate understanding before we eat the successful.'

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #101

#93
Jordan Peterson has really been a great help in unpacking ancient themes we have cast aside in our present day world. His unpacking of the Gorden of Eden storyline was so eye opening as he described the process of chaos and order through the story. He attempts to read ancient text through the lens of a evolutionary psychologist. No easy feat. But i appreciate application of meaning vs theology. He has made up to Exodus, which he will be covering in November. He is difficult to understand sometimes as his estimological review is vast and he reduces it so we can understand his thoughts.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #100

#95
Should we evaluate the chaos that we stand in, with one foot in order, then we should see that predators are β€œour” chaos. But, this is a big but, my chaos may be your foot in order. My order and chaos stance is not always correct, it allows me to believe it is. Until someone like you comes along. Your order, in my chaos, helps me to define and grow from chaos to order within dialogue. But what if i stepped out from my chaos into your order? Would you be the predator? Would i be the predator? We cant know the answer unless we set aside differences and ride the risk elevator until we cant go any further, together. I have found that the ride removes risk as dialogue deepens. Should we label something as a predator upfront then the ride will almost certainly produce high risk and repulsion. The gun of labeling and identifying another is one we always have, but should be slow to shoot. It seems in todays world we look for tells, identify, then shoot, before the first word of understanding is spoken. In America we are hovering at ignorance as we are constantly shooting at identities. We fall prey to our own intellect.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #99

#100
Consiousness will always be advisarial to diversity. The real question is how do we act within diversity. Natural instinct within a team setting can become destructive. I have found in either proffesional or social settings most aggressors operate from fear. Although fear is very is highly motivating it also blocks any diverse opportunities within chaos. What happens within the team when two fears meet? In leadership we find that this is a common occurance. I believe Pareto may apply here. When we look at the bell curve of extremes we find 10% on the meek end and 10% on the aggressor end. So this would imply that each aggressor we think we meet has a 10% chance of being an accurate assumption. Given that near 40% fall on the side of aggression like behaviours we may find ourselves lumping to many within the catogory of predator. I advocate not for the extremes but rather force of passion that the type A personalities bring to the table. If you havent figured it out yet i am a type A personality. It took years for me to understand compassion in leadership. Although i appreciate animal metaphors, within the aggression world it is difficult to compare, humans are self conscious. Secondarily we can understand and manage risk. In the moment of aggression we need not operate from our perceived fears. (I refer to the 40% that fall on the right of the curve.). In this risk develops over a time, in which we can measure our own risk without projecting an endgame right up front of predator. Success creates boldness that can be seen as predator like activities. Maybe we should test our thoughts within compassionate understanding before we eat the successful.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#108
You produce ideas and fun like a rabbit. Now, you are trapped in the rabbit hole of your fun and ideas dear Lisa Vanderburg

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #97

#105
haha....just tell me when I've dug too many holes :)

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #96

Cyndi wilkins - delicious brunch buddies...I'm horoured to be counted, my friend!#99

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #95

#97
#96 Thanks for the important corrections, ever-faithful Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee - the value would be lost without them! Ever since I started Google-Docs, all my spell-checkers have dropped dead..huh. Just for theology's sake (and anyone else reading), Biblically speaking, I always fancied that the Israelites were God's 'chosen people' because He sorta hung out their dirty laundry for all to see in the OT: it was an act of love though to show us how being too legalistic regarding faith could never work. Hence the New Covenant. The same concept runs through secular life too as shown particularily in bad management!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#93
You play in my field to make it greener even the the other side dear Lisa Vanderburg. Please keep playing as you are a key player.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#92
Thank you Savvy Raj. This isn't the first time that our thoughts crossed. As you are aware it happened before.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#90
You picked the main issue of the post Cyndi wilkins. You are a genuine person.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#87
I can see that you have been wickedly hurt by some predators Cyndi wilkins. How could they do this to a splendid lady like you I fail to understand or reason.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#85
You are not stepping the post. You are enriching it with your super comments Harvey Lloyd

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#84
What a positive way to deal with predators? Interesting ideas my friend.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#82
You know you sheer brilliance and great character and lovely humor will keep you as self-renewing butterfly my friend Lisa Vanderburg

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#81
Cyndi wilkins- you said it eloquently "Those who tend to feed on the positive, good-natured and rip them to shreds for their purpose of elevating themselves to soothe their own wounds". Yes, being humans with good heat we may get bitten by the snakes. I recall I commented on a post on LinkedIn with good intention and appreciation of his post, except for my objection to using the word bossing because it entailed command and control. The author's response was not appreciating my comment and by ignoring my interest in his post it was severely negative. He wrote because of my not accepting the word bossing that my comment was the most stupid comment he read all through his life. He attacked me in person. Sometimes we fall victims to our good intentions. c'est la vie!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#80
Lisa Vanderburg- "The New: we become entrapt by 'laws' of our own making, hence the new covenent which frees us to choose....it was always there - we just didn't see it". I guess you meant entrapped and covenant. When we tend to make too many roles we exercise command and control. The challenge is to keep the laws few and simple. Even that would lead to feedback resulting in a complex network of rules and we get trapped in the "spider of laws".

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#77
You dear Lisa Vanderburg are the number 1 person who sends me to Google search to define meaning. This time I had to google for gossamer and find what it means. Gossamer is something super fine and delicate β€” like a spider web> Now, I understand your lovely comment.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#79
You distilled your wisdom in this great quote "Believing that chaos is a part of life predates understanding". I believe that the chaos of the ideas you cause to flow rapidly in my mind predates my understanding Harvey Lloyd. I feel I am the prey of your mind.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #83

#90
Straight shootin' Cyndi wilkins! Mama grizzlies rely on constant vigil, then decisive action. Hesitation happens in the animal kingdom, but in humans, that can be too costly and too protracted; I wonder why that is. Consciousness can be a fatal stumbling block - I tend to rely on instinct. I think that source that comes from our internal / primal /soul selves - often much more reliable?

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #82

Morning all (well, it is to me)! Thank you Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee for encouraging us all to play in your fields #91 - this is your great generosity; to allow us freed reign on your turf! I've been listening to that link Harvey Lloyd & I'll be listening to it a lot more...right up my alley :) So much to grapple, but well worth it; love theology!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Dears Cyndi wilkins- I enjoyed greatly reading your comments. It is already 2 a.m. and I shall respond as soon as possible when I wake up. Thank you for this lovely exchange of comments.

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

3 years ago #80

"The predator negative emotions feed on the prey positive emotions." Interesting take on behavioral extremes...Like the 'mama grizzly' that I am, this one strikes close to home...and mama grizzly's will make a meal out of anyone who threatens their babies survival...whether in business relationships or personal ones, we are investing ourselves in everything and everyone we hold dear...So to the disrupting 'extremists'...you will be consumed;-)

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #79

#87
Damn straight darlin'! To round off with a soulless of superior strength is a cause worth dying for. To meet the same measure in the workforce with his wolves behind sorta kills the nobility of dying for. You have found your strength by their weakness; their wont betrays them!

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #78

#85
Ooh...I shall look at that on the morrow, Harvey Lloyd for not I must await hubby's safe arrival from our son's and the 1-1 outcome of England v Colombia :) Ya know, I bet Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee is so big-hearted, he brings a feast for our own enjoyment!

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

3 years ago #77

#86
Like you Lisa Vanderburg I am are able to see through the wolf in sheep's clothing and no longer be among the 'lamb's led to slaughter.' Understanding them can be someone else's job...Surviving the encounter is mine. Perhaps the 'knowing what they are up to' is the understanding...but what they are missing is emotion itself...These people are wicked cunning...and they know how to work the system...and they know how to evoke fear in their victims once they have them right where they want them. Even the most brilliant among us can fall victim to their charming facade...what lies beneath can knock you "far-from-equilibrium emotionally" for very many years...So use your noggin' and cut the cord before it cuts your throat.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #76

#84
'...but i began to understand the predator as someone who had lost something they needed'. To know one's enemy is to understand them. He's got it, no Cyndi wilkins? I sure here you, running the endless gauntlet of socio/psycho-paths. Those few good men are naturally keeping vigil for their beloveds. Thank God you have a pair of steel grade-A cojones and the olfactory sense that would make a grizzly blush!

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #75

#80
Lisa Vanderburg. Should you find a couple of hours. This video is crazy good if you are into this depth of understanding Genesis. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdrLQ7DpiWs&feature=share Makes your head hurt, but if you can get past that its pretty telling. Sorry for side stepping the post Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee. Thank you for your indulgence.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #74

#81
When we look behind the eyes of the predator we find a hunger that rivals our fear. A hunger that requires understanding. Stepping through our own perspective of the predator allows us to loose our fear and serve the hunger. Or, destroy the heart of the predator, to limit its impact on the next prey. This is only possible if we can step beyond our own understanding of the relationship of fear and hunger, or chaos. There was a time in my life i saw the predator and they were easily destroyed but i began to understand the predator as someone who had lost something they needed. Through strong armor we can reach the heart of the predator and maybe just maybe, give the beast what it is missing. The predator relies on fear and its limited tools of defense. When we dispatch the fear through courage all of the tools of engagement arrive. The predator becomes the prey:)

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #73

#80
Great insight. The β€œoutcome” of wisdom. To venture into that which we fear is the leap of faith and courage that is rewarded with wisdom for the next leg of the journey. I like your thoughts on the transcendence between the old and the new. It truly is a personalized transendance of faith and a journey of wisdom.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #72

#78
Aw....dear man! Here I am hijacking your buzz and your ever-loving faithfulness remains...such a true and noble friend! In my suitcase is someone else. They took my bits, ate them and made them into nothing wholesome. But under the weight of this rotting corpse is the odd butterfly. I suspect there may also be a bottle of laughing-gas :) Thank you most sincerely, bot Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee; two brilliant men but even better, two souls of worth beyond reproach, because they have gone through fire and ice. Thanks, dudes!

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

3 years ago #71

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee...This buzz resonates with me at this time because it identifies certain human relationships in my life...Those who tend too feed on the positive, good-natured and rip them to shreds for their purpose of elevating themselves to soothe their own wounds. The narcissistic sociopath hides behind the mask as it manipulates their prey...stripping it down to the raw emotions of fear and insecurity...Ripe for the picking. They are often as charming as they are cunning, making easy prey of the unsuspecting and empathetic...Buyer beware;-)

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #70

#79
Absolutely in agreement Harvey...you put it much more elegantly than I can, but chaos is the norm; it's our drive to quash it that gets us into branding of words like 'fail..disappointment....regret...conflict...misery' etc. For me at least I see the journey as the outcome rather than the other way 'round. I know I cannot decide the results but that doesn't take away the responsability from trying (see? Clumsy!). Faith or not, we are built to err! An aside if you'll permit me Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee, but I remember teaching women's bible study. Sometimes I'd be asked [my opinion] of the reason for such diveristy between the Old Testament & the New: seems to me the Old was the 'example of trying to live right with the 'law' you wanted.' The New: we become entrapt by 'laws' of our own making, hence the new covenent which frees us to choose....it was always there - we just didn't see it. I may be running over my charactor numb...

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #69

#77
I believe you know more than you present. Mankind’s existance and answers lie within the Genesis text. Whether believer or not it unwinds the suitcase in its design and development within life experience. Knowing sacrifice or chaos is a part of life, meant for us to traverse, is the theme of the book. It offers answers of how, but none the less explains the existance of chaos quite well. Believing that chaos is a part of life predates understanding. Its only recently that we have decided that chaos represents failure. Many civilizations have come and gone because they lost this world view of chaos. I see you:)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#77
May I open your suitcase dear Lisa Vanderburg?

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #67

#75
It is always a pleasure to read your comments Harvey Lloyd; a wise, thoughtful & faithful man! Absorbing your Genesis reference, I can see more clearly now what you mean by your first sentance. Even though we live one life - on one journey, we are connected by the finest of gossamer thread woven through our being. We cannot shirk our commitments, conscience and chosen responsabilities as so much detritus. The suitcase stays....for good reason!

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #66

#66
Great to hear from you again Lisa Vanderburg. The suitcase is something we pack over time and it is typically not the big events that sneak up on us, but rather the small events that fill the case. You mention one of the key factors in the start of unpacking. A world view whereby we can lean up against while we unpack. I have never thought of language accept as a way to distribute ideas, needs and wants. I am learning that language is not group benificial but self needed. When we unpack our emotions/narritive we need a language that helps us sort the contents of the suitcase. This lanagauge is often unique to our own state of being. But we have to draw the sorting language from somewhere. Recently i have been redisposed to Genesis in a new way. Sacrifice is a process where we learn about humanity and our suitcase. Why would i consider reviewing the case if there were no need. It is within sacrifice that we are caused to rethink our existance. In large part i see chaos and sacrifice unavoidably joined. With each cycle of sacrifice, dance with chaos, we have choices. Unpack a little more, blame existential means or just quit. Each of these have there sacrifice pieces. Only one offers hope and wisdom. Again great to see you on the boards again.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#69
You absence is felt because your presence is important my friend Proma \ud83d\udc1d Nautiyal. Glad to see you back and I welcome you with open arms.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#68
The swing between balanced-imbalanced states will continue as it is us who decide how to adapt dear Proma \ud83d\udc1d Nautiyal. I thank you for your appreciation and I wish you a happy life

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#67
I love comments that stand out as wisdom. Your comment Franci\ud83d\udc1dEugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador. Yes, the antifragility appears when we may stand the compounded negativity to restore our balance. This is the test of our super-resillience.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#66
The credit of the metaphor goes for our friend Harvey Lloyd. The suitcase is an apt metaphor and it captured my mind.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#65
The hilarious friend Lisa Vanderburg- you might be a watersprout at worst- even that worst is a sign of your "sucking" us into the waters of your fertile mind.

Proma 🐝 Nautiyal

Proma 🐝 Nautiyal

3 years ago #60

#26
Sir, Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee, it is always an honor to read your buzzes. It opens up a door into the subconscious and knowing myself better, every time I read one, and I cannot thank you enough for it. I have been away from beBee and social media for some time due to some personal contingencies so I missed reading your buzzes and commenting on them, but now I am back. Wishing you a wonderful day ahead!

Proma 🐝 Nautiyal

Proma 🐝 Nautiyal

3 years ago #59

#55
Thank you so much, Edward Lewellen for your response. It is indeed a whole new take on the way I have perceived "happiness" all my life. I can be happy without reason and that I don't need to maintain a balanced serious state all the time. This is refreshing and I will definitely keep it in mind this day on.

Franci 🐝Eugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador

Five-star buzz Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee, and five-star comments, as well. I feel we all fall prey at some point in our lives. If and when we realize our dilemma, it's how we react that matters. If the negativity continues, it compounds itself making it more difficult for us to keep balance in our lives. Also, we can be our own worst enemy by locking ourselves in with our own negative feelings thus preying on ourselves.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #57

#39
through#52 Harvey Lloyd and suitcases: Such a suitable analogy! Yet I wonder how many of us would rather suffer the 'act of God' that would rid us of our baggage - both good and bad. Have a clean slate, so to speak. We used to have a saying at work that said 'leave your troubles at the door, for here your free from those'. One bondage to another really in the hopes that we can rise above ourselves. Obviously, this does not speak to those very few that have truly earned their way to responsable management of large corporations....

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #56

#30
Oh well...you know me dear Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee's commentstrikes at the heart of [my] matter; longevity in contentment: is is possible? #19 Proma \ud83d\udc1d Nautiyal suggests (my version again)#54 reiterated in this is the idea that I am interpreting: we are broken. That's why we have to fight so hard for equilibrium. This is ALL a fascinating read!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#59
The essence of your comment is: (DESCRIPTIVE ANALOGY OF THOUGHT AND "ACTION") -When you're thirsty, you drink water? - When you are hungry do you feed yourself? - When you are sleepy you allow yourself to rest your body? The art of thinking objectively is to act objectively. The art of serving gives you back to serve you. The art of being love to love you and love your neighbor.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#58
Your conclsion lines are great Based on all of the above, "We are Infinitely Wonderful Human Beings" The human mind composed of scattered fragments in thought, its reason (doctrine) that has been conditioned to subjectivity to justify / justify.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#60
I agree that we need negative emotions, but not for extended periods of time. I thank you also for the great clarification of the difference between the roles of the right brain and our subconscious. I need a training session on this topic from you my mentor Edward Lewellen

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#57
In my presentation Bubbling Ideas Slide 3 reads Joy is more lasting than happiness https://www.slideshare.net/hudali15/bubbling-ideas/3-JOY_IS_MORE_LASTING_THAN So, yes if happiness is short-term I would rather use it as a step-stone to joy. But, my friend Harvey Lloyd it is unfortunate that the index says Happiness Index and not Joy Index. You are spot on.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #51

#56
Pardon the intrusion:) but would submit that happiness is a short lived cycle of events and outcomes. Joy however is the success/fail atmosphere of real goal achievement. Folks will forfeit happiness for the sense of being part of something larger than themselves. This is usually recognized as a serotonin event stream. Given happiness deals with short term dopamine releases as described when riding a new roller coaster. More input into the area of belonging, engaging diversity, challenging the status quo and other leadership views will create a team that understands short term losses are part of the long term goal.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#55
In spite of the enormous research on linking happiness to productivity most employees lack the feeling of happiness. It is easier to complain than to find ways and knock the doors of happiness. I am not saying that we need to be happy all the time, but when we lose happiness we may find it. The baby in us goes into a long sleep my friend Edward Lewellen. I must admit here that I am not sure if the right mind contributes to happiness. Is this mind linked to our unconscious mind?

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#52
It is not a secret Harvey Lloyd that I have written almost seven buzzes based on exploring the depth of your comments. This isn't a favor. It is exactly what you wrote here "We can defend the current position which is known, or we can explore the other opportunities within change". If we do this with sheer desire and curiosity to explore the unknown then we may advance in the right direction. Like you said, it is on the edge of order and chaos that great things happen. While we hold a foot in order, we may use the other foot to step into the unknown. I may add while we may keep the left brain in the logical thinking so, we may venture the right brain in the imagination where it thrives. On the edge of order and chaos we may explore so many new possibilities. The problem is that we prefer to stay in the comfort zone, missing what goes on its edge.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #48

I wanted to share some thoughts concerning private communications between myself Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee In understanding the human dynamic we both share an affinity of how order meets chaos. We cant live in either permanently, but rather hold a foot in each as we approach the various challenges and rewards life brings. I think i might be able to speak for Dr. Ali in saying that we approach these nebulous areas with the Socratic method. Emotions warn us of change ahead. We can defend the current position which is known, or we can explore the other opportunities within change. The latter presents an issue, its not known and yet to be experienced. So how do we approach the unknown? Unlike archery where we aim for the bulls-eye, we must shoot arrows of questions, illuminating the target area we don't know. Questions within a framework are cheap, low risk and present us with lights that show us new and different targets. In my own experience, this process, will bring knowledge and team experiences to bare that we were unaware of from the beginning. We can leverage the diversity of other's experiences. The answer to the unknown is within the search and revelation of new understanding. One of my favorite questions is to ask team members if they had an unlimited budget and could by, hire or do anything to provide a solution what would they do. Even to the point of making a paper crown and placing it on their head. The naked dialogue exposed ideas and new thinking to a team that was tethered by the past. Exploring these unknowns with the scope of Dr. Ali's questions is where wisdom can be drawn.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#50
Great the dialogue reached this climax point "By unpacking it is really the process of formulating a few questions that would allow us to test our thoughts and others within a perceived or real risk envelope". Unpacking has a purpose.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #46

#48
In your scenario the best you can hope for is that the gentlemen with which you swapped is the same size. Unpacking should be the right hand of go to when we face some form of risk. I need not unpack when risk is not present. Family vacation is a time to just share experiences and add to the collective memory. No need to unpack. When we face an unknown future though through professional activities, we need to unpack just to insure we are not on auto pilot. The flight plan of the last scenario doesn't necessarily constitute a good plan in the present. By unpacking it is really the process of formulating a few questions that would allow us to test our thoughts and others within a perceived or real risk envelope. Two things need to happen within the team environment. I need to win and so do you. Questions that would make this clear will sort out perceived risk from real risk. If winning appears lopsided then we know somewhere someone is pressing their own perceived risk.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#47
Sometimes others make us stop and unpack. It is exactly what you did for me. A comment by a reader may prompt a writer to unpack. When I say in response to a comment "you remind me..." isn't this a form of unpacking? SO much to think about.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#47
I started unpacking my case. I smiled reading your line "Then we either unpack our own, which we know and can control, or; we unpack others suitcases where we only have influence and no control". I remembered by mistake upon arrival at an airport I took a very looking-like suitcase of another traveler and likewise he did the same. We unpacked the suitcases of others

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #43

#46
Giving some additional thought i would imagine that if we are within emotional conflict within a proffesional paradigm........Then we either unpack our own, which we know and can control, or; we unpack others suitcases where we only have influence and no control. Interesting paradox. I agree the suitcase is ours, and here to stay. But just because we have the suitcase doesnt mean we cant focus the case within our success. The suitcase should enhance our life exposure to success not drama. Unavoidable, but not something we have to live with, we have the higher thinking brain to unpack the case.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#44
We travel with suitcases. But also we travel this life with suitcases of emotions, memories and experiences. May be the content of a suitcase may not change, but not the suitcase of emotions, memories and experiences. Everyday we pass through different emotions, feelings, experiences and memories for the events of today become the memories of yesterday tomorrow. Do we go on this journey without unpacking and having a pause period? Yes, unpacking is worthy and I can see that I have the adaptive and dynamic suitcases of emotions.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#43
I concur fully. Period. I would love to read dear Edward Lewellen before I elaborate more.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #40

#42
We have all had that physical space like the cabinets, pantry, garage of basement that seemed to collect all the future projects we thought we would get to. We have all had the experience of cleaning up the spaces. In the beginning it was daunting, full of darkness as we decided that we would never do the project that we had saved material things. About half way through though, we begin to feel excited as we make decisions based on past storage thoughts. In the end we look at the work and find it β€œgood”. Unpacking the suitcase and examining the contents works the same way. In the beginning it looks like a dark hole that we could never sort our selves out. But as the process begins we start to understand where the β€œstuff” came from and become excited as we find our path. Its a worthy journey.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #39

#41
This is a topic i have chased for 30 years. Separating the real from the perceived is a leadership quality that is understated. How many meetings i have attended and the whole of brains are focused on perceived risk and nothing of the real. Edward Lewellen touches on this deep subject in his comment. My method for staying the course of dealing with real first and then perceived, both are important. In a past discussion we stated that our employees represent archetypical customers. We should listen to the perceived risk they offer. Math and quantitative understanding come first. This is easy, its math. This establishes a hard scale that the perceived can hang on during discussion. Does the perceived risk impact the scale of real and how? We are using language here that i have identified as filters. Success is always in existence, the question is can remove the filters that block its execution? These filters when unpacked represent the challenges of the individual narritive and its perceived risk. As a leader we need the skill and wisdom of our team members on deck. If they are sorting perceived risk to themselves or future selves we will not get what success demands. The leader needs a methodology to remove these filters so success can show itself.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#40
You ask me a question and I need to think carefully before I decide. Would I go to unpack? Do unpack my suitcases without realizing I am doing so. If the unpacking takes me on a journey of "discovery and darkness" with the perceived risk associated with unpacking? Would I do it for "The suitcase has served us in the material world for many years. To unpack would be to rewrite the story of success around values and not emotions". I told you before Harvey Lloyd that you tire out my mind joyfully.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#39
This is a wide issue and perception affects our lives as you are aware. My perception of the situation, of a person, of a job and of a risk. You highlight a great point that needs zeroing on. and which hasn't received due attention. I mean real versus perceived risk. It amazes me this is the case when many companies believe now it is more important to reduce or eliminate risk before making profits. Is it the perceived risk or the real risk? With negative negativity we tend to explode the perceived risk and see a hot stove killing us. This is paralyzing. Honestly, you raise an issue that merits deeper study.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #36

#36
Unpacking the suitcase is a journey of discovery and darkness. The suitcase has served us in the material world for many years. To unpack would be to rewrite the story of success around values and not emotions. The cleansing of the suitcase will change our way of thinking, but, also convict us within our past. This can be overwhelming. If i could challenge you differently. What if i told you the life you wish for is just past that fog up ahead. The difference will be all the people, places and things will be known differently once you pass through the fog. I can only say that the life you wish for will be there. You on the other hand would have to decide if you wanted to give up relationships, success and life experience you already have for a new one. The risk is that you would now have to grapple with how different would it be? That is a question only you can answer. This is what lies in the suitcase. Do you want to open it and go down that path will always be the perceived risk.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #35

#35
I am amazed at how β€œrisk” is one of the least understood human words. There are two types of risk. Real and perceived. Real risk is the stove is hot and you will burn your hand if you touch it. Perceived risk is the added concept that if you do touch it you will die. The latest research is telling us that we have now raised two generations that perceived risk was the guide. So we eliminated all risk in their youth. Our emotions should develop naturally through trial and error that give us a β€œReal” perspective of risk. Unfortunately we now have many youth who live within the perceived risk environment. A conversation with future self that includes the stove killing them. This tends to shutdown whole corridors of opportunity, while creating cognitive disonence when they observe others taking the risk that perceived as deadly. Emotional risk is specific to the individaul. We have to identify the differences between real and perceived emotional risk. This allows our gifts to enhance future self. Fraud tells us how much perceived risk is passed on from our childhood and our first attempts at taking risk. Very early in life we separate real and perceived, as perceived doesnt exist at the same level as adulthood. Children overcoming and adapting to human activities is not just a skill but also mental development. Adapting the right emotions of challenge and triumph.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Harvey Lloyd- I hope that the way I drew the triangles reflected what goes in your mind. I am eager to know for I tried to visually reflect on your thinking.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#33
May be the "tone" by which we ask why is important as well. It is the emotional way of asking questions that may change our thinking paths. What do you think Edward Lewellen?

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#32
You elaborated more on your previous comment #31 Harvey Lloyd and I am in accordance with your elaboration. I wonder if I unpack my "emotional suitcase" what I would find! May be we all need to do this unpacking to have brighter futures.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#31
This is a super comment Harvey Lloyd. Reading it I remembered what I wrote before on in spite of the complexity of the human body; still we may gauge its healthiness by measuring simple indicators like blood pressure and body temperature. These are the signals in keeping with your statement "Emotions operate very similar to that pesky β€œcheck engine” light on our cars. When the light of emotion shows itself we are looking at a prepacked set of variables from our past the emotion represents. The check engine light is on".I may add here a new indicator for the healthiness of human bodies that is the emotional indicator. So, as simple as the triangles might be, still they serve as great indicators. I agree with you.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #30

#19
Enjoyed the thoughts here. Would add though that emotions are not experienced within a vacuum. They tend to be a shared experience either openly or covertly. I have found an interesting aspect of group dynamics. When the emotional merry go round begins, there is an opportunity. An opportunity to change the question from Why to How as Edward Lewellen describes in his comment. But as Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee describes in his stock market diagram it takes huge emotional courage to change the question. I agree that if we decide to take risk then we will balance the tears of fear with laughter of success. Both hone us into humans.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #29

#22
This was well said and covered a lot of ground. If i could add something of which i am sure you are aware. The major difference between How and Why is responsibility. How makes us assign the responsibility and if we are true to ourselves it usually lies within our own paradigm. I am not sure β€œwhy” always leads to existential blame. If not in reality in understanding by those the question is posed.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #28

#30
Complexity is really a way of expressing risk. The challenge within the human paradigm is determining the risk its self. Risk in pride, jealousy rejected empathy? You discuss material risk as the metophor for emotional risk. Although a good metophor, the measurement tools are quite different as you express. Emotional risks stems from our experiencial past packed into a narrative that we remember through emotions. Emotions remind us to be ware or full speed ahead when we experience the present. For 25 years many people have packed your suitcase and directed your narrative. They attempted to set the risk standard where emotions are triggered. But they are not you. We need to open up those suitcases and test the contents. You Amy find that the suitcase was packed great, no need for change, or you may find out that your makeup allows for more risk and toss the whole suitcase out. This is difficult to do in real time. This is the reason for discussions with future self. Resting control from emotions and determining risk to future self vs present self. This exercise allows the first question to be, at the check engine light appearance, concerning future self not past prepacked self.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #27

The concept of the triangles was an attempt to guide the mind in a direction during these cycles of emotional challenges. Existentially we experience others emotions differently than we do our own. Some of the emotions we empathize with deeply others trigger our own negative emotions. This is the story we write within our own narrative. Our emotions grow and mature during the narrative, maybe. Emotions operate very similar to that pesky β€œcheck engine” light on our cars. When the light of emotion shows itself we are looking at a prepacked set of variables from our past the emotion represents. The check engine light is on. It appears that somewhere near 30 years of age, we carry a lot of the prepacked emotional variables that we apply to everyday life. The triangles, as you have displayed, allow us to unpack these variables and make sure they still represent our future outcomes. Specifically before we take action. We want to give a measured response that returns more information, enhances our future opportunity and not create a environment where we cant continue the process. Unpacking the narritve attached to our emotions is a field of study that is very deep. But is not necessarily out of reach of the average person. Answers may be elusive at first, but by using a process we establish for ourselves, we can begin the journey of fortelling our own future.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#13
Oh dear Lisa Vanderburg. Even with "flat triangles' you see the amount of discussions they are stirring. My only point here is that complexity generates from simple rules. What starts as two simple triangles eventually develop into a complex and repeating strange patterns that we call the strange attractors. They start simple, but they end up as complex.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#16
Joyce \ud83d\udc1d Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee- we fall prey to our own exaggerated emotions. In every joy their is hidden disappointment, the least to say.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#17
Thank you dear @Debasish for your challenging comment. Studies have shown that only 10% of investors (mostly trained on investing) make profit, 10% don't make or lose money and 80% lose money. Is it a matter of education? Apparently, emotions control their actions. However; we have to remember that the stock market is complex and predictions are hard to make because a small change in the investment climate might lead to drastic changes in the movement of prices. We are investing in the uncontrollable market. Because we have no control our expectations fall and our emotions build up fast to get us off-balance.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#18
Jerry Fletcher- You remind me of my post The Wavy World here ion beBee https://www.bebee.com/producer/@ali-anani/the-wavy-world in which I showed that many things like word frequencies move in waves. Yes, euphoria and despondency are the yen/yang , but they reach this stage through their wave-like movement. You open my mind to a n interesting question. Are the two the yen/yang, or they are separated by space and time? I have to ponder on this. Thank you for brainstorming my mind.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#19
You know how to keep your balance dear Proma \ud83d\udc1d Nautiyal. I am so glad to read your thoughts again. What you wrote is fascinating "The amount of laughter always equals the amount of tears". We forget to remember that an overflow of any emotion will create a reverse effect. . In the image of the emotions wave in the post shows that reaching the climax of euphoria is followed by a series of intensifies negative feelings. Going to the extreme of emotions is destabilizing. We need to remember that the laughter there are still seeds of tears waiting to grow. If only we could remember the sequence of emotions. I find that your comment and that of Edward Lewellen combined make huge sense.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#20
(Expectations (Individual expectations that do not give space to shared coherence)- this is a valuable point and is worthy of further exploration. dear Oswaldo Enrique Diaz Delgado

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#21
Oswaldo Enrique Diaz Delgado- it is keeping the balance that counts indeed.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#22
Thank you my friend @Edward Lewellen. Sometimes we forget what we wrote till a trigger like your astonishing comment reminds me of what I wrote. On LinkedIn I wrote a buzz titled "The Reverse Golden Circle and its Business Implications" https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/reverse-golden-circle-its-business-implications-ali-anani-phd/ The Why, How and what and reversing them in order to see the whole picture. In this post I wrote and showed an image of why defining the purpose, how the process and what the analysis and option of what to do. So, I believe very strongly in your comment and that why combined with how and what is the way to go. I probed in the why analysis in your comment and I fully agree that this question may deepen the negative feelings. You know of the 5-whys and its role to disclose the root causes. But alone without asking how and what may be adrift to strongly negative feelings. Feelings lead to behaviors and actions and behaviors could result in habit-forming. I believe it is time to highlight the importance of asking how and not only why.

Proma 🐝 Nautiyal

Proma 🐝 Nautiyal

3 years ago #18

Excellent buzz, Sir, Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee It is so true that negativity breeds more negativity and also has the capability to feed on positivity (the predator-prey model). We can often see people spiralling into extreme negative emotions rather than in positive ones. I wonder why? Why can't we have positivity as the predator and negativity as the prey? Probably because it is a Utopia which really cannot be. Is it because it just can't happen or is it because we humans don't allow it to happen for some underlying cause/ benefit. There is a saying here in my country (I am not sure if other communities have it, too): The amount of laughter always equals the amount of tears. Because of this one saying, I remember, I could never laugh my heart out. I could never truly enjoy anything fearing what will follow. However, in times of sadness, I would not withhold on the tears. Human mind and its reasons are truly mysterious. 

Jerry Fletcher

Jerry Fletcher

3 years ago #17

Dr. Ali, Predator/Prey, Depression/Euphoria, Black/White The connector humans apply is a sine wave but the reality is closer to Yin/Yang. The world is not digital, it is analog. Too often, humans oversimplify.

Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

3 years ago #16

stock market being entirely a speculative one, i wonder how education plays an important role. whether in gambling also education plays ant effective role? predators and preys relationship and intricacies are perhaps being intriguingly designed by nature. from your picture at the top suggests it is nature's design how even eagle catch its prey in the air. perhaps balance too is the design of destiny where an individual have hardly any say apart from falling into its prey. losing the balance perhaps an external allurement where one has hardly any decisive role and that is perhaps the strength of emotion, which might have only capacity to cause riot to ones reason.however, wonderful insight sir Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee! enjoyed read and shared. thank you for the buzz sir.

Joyce 🐝 Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee

Ah, yes... We are all prey in one instance or another. It's the nature of the beast.

Lisa Vanderburg L
Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #13

....I should take that penultimate line of my comment and add (after 'wise') or dumber than a bag of hammers - my bad :)

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #12

I too see the onus of this marvellous hypothesis as 'curved', as Bill King (who's dead-to-rights about depression, BTW!), add fluidity that can't be left in stasis. I mean, as a cat, you don't normally throw up the rat you just ate; because the 'continuity hypothesis' demands a forward motion, no?[https://www.simplypsychology.org/essay.html] So if I could figure it; because we're never static and thus able to learn or grow wise, it must be a process of motion, with some equanimity, hopefully. In other words....your triangles are too flat, my friend! :)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#11
This is a great observation Bill King. It is a refreshing comment that I am considering answering it in a buzz. The complexity of the emotions is similar to that of the climate. Small changes in complex systems may cause a butterfly effect. Adding to this complexity is the degree to which the prey or predator are able to adapt. This is a hugely important point. I want to add also that humans may behave differently in arid climates than in cold climates. The challenges are different and so the emotions are towards them and the behaviors accordingly. Great comment to ponder on. I thank you for sharing the buzz as well.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Thank you Joel Anderson for sharing the buzz

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#8
I can say safely that in every disorder there is order. Yes, the order here is seeing the "rather than people who have the blessing to pull back and see what is improving". A question though that comes to mind from your comment "Equanimity is very different to equilibrium". Don't you think that equanimity helps in restoring the equilibrium?

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

3 years ago #8

#5
Take this shocking moment in a prior World Cup where a Columbian player was shot dead for missing a penalty that served to eliminate Columbia from that World Cup. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/colombias-own-goal-star-shot-dead-1418013.html That shooting was by a Columbian gang-leader and at that time Columbia was in a terrible mess of violence. Even Columbia today, there is a major transformation though there is of course still much work to do to elevate the social fabric to the level we enjoy it in the places we reside https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2014/apr/17/medellin-murder-capital-to-model-city-miracle-un-world-urban-forum Equanimity is very different to equilibrium - the factor that is a difference maker is the nature of our collective intelligence - that is an evolution that is harder to see if we are in direct line of violent acts - rather than people who have the blessing to pull back and see what is improving.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

3 years ago #7

The link I gave did not work properly - view Steven Pinker's view here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6PKFd2cuPg

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#4
Being a soccer fan as you are I read in the news that a famous Egyptian actor and a great soccer player passed away following the defeat of Egypt in the World Cup by Saudi Arabia. We are able to see the effects of far swings of emotions. I guessed yesterday the results of the two matches. How about your guess CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit?

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#4
The separation thinking this or that instead of this AND that has controlled our lives for long times. I am glad to read that we awakening to this fact and that our world is " comparatively much better than in prior ages of human existence". Are we moving towards "Social Equilibrium"?

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

3 years ago #4

#3
That is the problem with equanimity, people want "this" but they don't want "that" but "this" and "that" are totally interrelated - and the resulting waves of this separating "This" and "That" may go a much longer way to explaining why divisions in humanity appear - in making more "this" RICH - we turn a blind eye to more "that" which is POVERTY. As we discover greater equanimity in our public and social policy - we see what is happening in the world today - poverty rates are declining - we even have people like Steven Pinker who are showing in an evidence based way that despite what gets ingested by us through extreme focus of media, the actual reality of this world is comparatively much better than in prior ages of human existence. https://www.ted.com/talks/steven_pinker_on_the_myth_of_violence

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#2
It is getting over joyful and over depression that move out out of balance. Excessive joy can become a predator and hence we need to realize the value of balancing. This is why I concur completely with what you wrote CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit "Cynicism and Hope are two sides of the same coin". You mentioned towards the end of your comment "The missing factor here is equanimity". Yes, we ned a balancing factor when we tend to go to the extreme end. Disruption of life such as suicidal acts are the reminders of what happens when our emotions run loose and subsequently our behaviors.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

3 years ago #2

What the waves describe can also explain a manic-depressive personality where one has high highs and low lows and this does lend to a suicidal pattern where human life is buffeted between crashing storms and waves of unrealistic ecstasy. The smoothing function comes with equanimity. Thus depression is not a part of a wave because drawing it that way excludes its multifaceted nature. Depression is so multifaceted that it still today defies medical explanation - the medical world are still trying to understand this phenomena we refer to as depression. I no longer view hope in isolation or as an end-point - but a paradoxical interchange between cynicism and hope. In a wave form hope can create depression, a sensitive mind can fall into despair, a good heart can plunge into a sensitivity waterfall. In a particle form we end up surgically dissecting all of this into parts - and a human being in parts is not living - life is not these parts but the paradoxical interaction and we cannot diagram that whole because those diagrams always are a representation of guess work. Cynicism and Hope are two sides of the same coin. In the end this modelling still leaves us looking for those clues. Life is moving on from biological evolution and it is moving to creative evolution, where the most dangerous minds are playing with the fabric of evolution itself - where human beings are trying to alter DNA, alter biology - yet that is still on the extremes of existence. We mortals live in the paradoxical middle - a soup that is often built of very simplistic parts. The same way my wife plays an online game called Candycrush on her mobile phone, without noticing what a powerful "smartphone" she is actually holding - and that is the problem of our time. That is a problem of our time, smart people are creating technology for dumb use and deep down unconsciously, that can trigger its own waves - a new source for this. The missing factor here is equanimity

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