The Risks of Misinterpretation

The Risks of Misinterpretation

The discussions on my last buzz were quite enriching, challenging and provocative to our minds. The need to see below the surface of human DiSC profiles was highlighted very strongly by Harvey Lloyd In one of his comments he mentioned that a D (dominant) person might act so because of desire to dominate others or because of fear of losing his/her dominance. It is not enough to read the profile; equally important is probing the emotions and feelings that led to repeated behaviors. If the frequency of repeating same behaviors is high then behaviors become rooted habits. In dealing or leading dominant behaviors must understand first the feeling associated with such behaviors.

Let me explain by giving a real life story. A genius friend of mine completed his PhD in Engineering from a very renowned university. Upon returning home he got a prestigious job with great fringe benefits. He became a star and went from success to another. He had everything except a family. He was scared to get married.

My close relationship with him allowed my friend to reveal why he was scared to death to get married. His father was a dominant person- the very aggressive type. He ordered his kids to do what he wanted. No discussion or opposition was allowed. The father punished his kids for any minor deviation. They were instructed when to eat, what to eat, when to sleep and you just name it. My friend was scared to death that if he would marry he would treat his kids similarly. He couldnโ€™t imagine himself doing that. The aggressive dominance of his father created the feelings of fear of dominating others. When my friend got married eventually he treated his kids by influencing them and he leads a very exciting life.

We may notice same dominant behavior in dogs. Aggressive dominant dogs show behaviors of such aggressive dominance by barking continuously, using their body language such as standing tall and by raising their ears not to listen but to show their strength. The best way is to retreat from them without running because running is a sign for them that they scare you. Do we need to follow the same approach with aggressive dominant managers? My answer it is strongly advisable. Not the same approach though with dominance based on fear. If you touch a dog to show kindness it might bite you. Remember dominant people try to look bigger by using body language and in other ways such as obtaining a luxurious office much more than needed to do their work. They also may have chairs or seats much higher than you so that they may โ€œlook downโ€ at you.

The above discussions reveal the risk on the risk line that I discussed in the previous buzz. We need great care to understand risks before making an estimation of their positioning on the risk line. We need also to care for the next letter of the profile of a person. I am D (50%) and then I (33%). Influence is my approach to dominate people with analysis, results, support from research and the like.

One interesting profile is owned by one of my previous worker. He was so creative, imaginative, generator of ideas and was very enthusiastic to share them passionately with others. All seemed great till few risks emerged. He was so obsessed with his own ideas that he couldnโ€™t listen to any other creative ideas. He interrupting people and he thought he owned their time. He asked them to talk briefly, but he kept going on and on. He never focused his eyes during discussions and his eyes kept moving. His body language showed his disinterest to the suggestions of others. Finally, people couldnโ€™t bear him anymore. He turned his creativity against him as people viewed him as a dominant aggressor. Yes, there are high risks resulting from such behaviors, but we need also to understand the emotions driving them.


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Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#86
this is a grand skill James Olcott. How easy is it for you to drop genetic heritage? It is a big challenge.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#84
you turned the stuck wheel turning with your very wise comment . Thank you

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#82
that will be great Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

3 years ago #73

#81
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee...It's wisdom borne of pain I'm afraid...As always, I look forward to 'buzzing' along with you;-)

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#80
this time I agree with you 100% Cyndi wilkins. No question asked. I shall delve into similar cases in my next buzz. Yes you are truly wise.

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

3 years ago #71

When the dog bears it's fangs, it is best to throw them a bone;-) A little trick I picked up during my days as a letter carrier up on 'Rottweiler Ridge!' LOL! All kidding aside...I find that when someone else's behavior is really niggling at me I have to stop and ask MYSELF... why??...Perhaps they are reflecting something to me that I need to re-examine within myself;-)

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#77
The last line of your comment clears the issue for me. yes, I am comfortable now.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #69

#74
I was a late bloomer in my communications skills. I either was on top of the situation or below the situation. Depending on strength of people involved. I had a long journey of self actualization and understanding the flow of conversation and its dynamics are based on what the intent was in the beginning. Not much different in structure than a game of chance. With each role of the dice or segment of conversation we move the intent across the board. Initially it was about getting intent to full birth as i wanted. This didn't work out well, because it established a win-lose concept. People smarter than me were able to use that to their advantage within a very subliminal game. Adding to the inventory of communications the Meyers-Briggs profile and the concept of Win-Win or No Deal really set my journey on a whole new path. From individual opportunities it became a sea of opportunities that we selected, worked through and moved on to the next. There is no winning and loosing only movement between opportunities. I am glad you hired yourself, i am not so sure i would hire me sometimes:) But i am a tough interviewer. I told myself i was going to tell mom you weren't playing fair in the interview. So i usually do wind up hiring myself.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #68

#71
I am afraid you got my late night response, which usually tends to be more sarcastic than meant to be. Given today's education climate of competition, to some degree, we must discuss the impacts of competition. Competition may obtain a result but there are consequences when this competitiveness is unrelenting. Competition establishes guidelines of success, pecking order and ultimately offers us a filter of perception when we walk out of the university. My definition of competition is really not between students but more the competition we create in our heads of comparison of success, between peers, professors and expectations of parents. When experience meets these newly minted minds it gets rebuffed because they have the physical/mental trophy's of success. My youthful bliss was no different. I was just lucky as i had few people/mentors who helped me see the bliss in a way that i didn't just shutdown and run into the woods. Today our youth are struggling with merging their intellect into a very experiential world. With any thought to what we are asking of them we can gain a sense of their dilemma. I believe, as the experienced people, our job is to pass on what we have learned overlooking the, maybe, misguided charisma of knowledge.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#73
on the contrary Louise Smith. I love your honest comments for many reasons. A very important one is your authenticity. You don't color your words and is always referring to your own experiences. Your comments have authenticity which I enjoy immensely. Please keep on commenting.

Louise Smith

Louise Smith

3 years ago #66

#56
Thanks for asking. It was an interesting experience. As I am not business trained, it takes a while to understand these ideas. But once I can associate them with something in my own framework, it's a lot easier.

Louise Smith

Louise Smith

3 years ago #65

#56
This is based on your Influence and knowing that within influence we want to be understood- " make sure we can accurately reflect back to you, your POV." What is the reason for this? Can't believe I asked this question ! "Thanks for playing along. I do want to express though, success comes through many channels of emphasis. No letter is better or worst than another. Its only when we get in that proving ground of a letter that we get sidetracked from our purpose." Yes it's a case of part to whole vs whole to part. YES "This is not an accuracy thing as much as a preparedness thing. I read about the job interview process and how to be prepared, i don't see this as being much different. WIth the exception that if you missed the mark in assumptions the process allows for discussion while you regain your POV." You can laugh about this - I have only done 5 job interviews in my whole life ! (excluding part time jobs when at uni) The first was for my original teaching deaf children job but there was a shortage and I had the top practical marks so it was fait accompli ! The second was for my next teaching Japanese to High school students. The 2nd person on the panel was a HPE teacher and knew nothing about Language Teaching! The last 3 were for a job after I graduated from Psyc with various NGOs. I got one as an interviewer for prospective foster parents for children with high trauma & disability. It was not really relevant & I didn't renew my contract after 3 months. That's the good thing about going into my own private practice. I interviewed myself & of course I got the job ! Hopefully that's it !

Louise Smith

Louise Smith

3 years ago #64

#68
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee You never have to worry about my comments I will always try to frame them positively or neutrally. Please let me know if any distress you ! Also please do not concern yourself with response time, you don't need that kind of extra stress. Also I am very patient! "You do make me think and I have a lot to do having just read your super comments. " SNAP !

Louise Smith

Louise Smith

3 years ago #63

#55
I talked with a client about this today. Very timely !

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#70
this is a challenging reply Harvey Lloyd. The best theory is an applied theory with experience. Also, where is the wisdom in refusing experience without listening to the reasoning first? On what basis the young generation based their perceived wisdom? .this is another topic worthy of debating.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #61

#66
Not sure if they are not listening as much as ideas or thoughts from dinosaurs just can't be relevant. I believe this has to do with perceived wisdom vs experience wisdom A book can teach a lot except, experience delivers application of theory in the real world under pressure.

Louise Smith

Louise Smith

3 years ago #60

#57
"a kaleidoscope of perception that continues to inspire" Great inspiration in this comment Kevin Baker !

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#53
you are relaxing my mind Louise Smith after troubling my mind with your deep comments. You do make me think and I have a lot to do having just read your super comments

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#50
this comment is also extensibleb to me as well Harvey Lloyd and I have close profiles

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#47
you mentioned the opportunity of listening. This is a point tharRobert Cormack

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #56

#58
#61 I am afraid what @Robert Cormack refers to is beyond the DiSC system. DiSC makes the assumption you want to communicate more effectively. I am afraid we live in a stereotyping world where things, situations and people get wrapped up in a label. Once in the label it's hard to break out. Mr. Cormack carries the competitive dater label, really wanting to hear the end game when he finds the one. Transferring out of that label will leave many broken hearts behind.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#46
yes, our DISC profiles are close enough Louise Smith. This is interesting. However; we must realize that small differenced can make a difference in complex systems such as human behavior

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#57
this comment shows the new generation like to deman , but not to demand from them. Interesting idea Kevin Baker. Thank you do much for your very kind words

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#59
thank you Jan \ud83d\udc1d Barbosa

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#58
I meant thr gnerations S is low. What is left is I and C. D is high. S is low. C- I wonder it it could be above low as compliance is not high. What left is I and showing convincing results may not be in the agenda of the new generation. Are we left with profiles only high in demand? I wonder what Harvey Lloyd would agree.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#58
very true and ssdRobert Cormack. Are we then moving towards generations with D profiles. The question then is what comes after D. The generations are less willing to listen so so pace for them has no room for patience. So we may say their C is low.

Jan ๐Ÿ Barbosa

Jan ๐Ÿ Barbosa

3 years ago #50

Great reading This Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Robert Cormack

Robert Cormack

3 years ago #49

Creative departments are full of these types @Anani, especially these days. Younger creatives want, expect and demand your time and attention. The idea of listening to someone older (perhaps quite a bit older) is seen as a waste of time. God, 40 years ago, I used to love listening to the old veterans. Great stories, great advice. We could sit at the bar for hours. You'll never see that today.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #48

#52
This is based on your Influence and knowing that within influence we want to be understood- " make sure we can accurately reflect back to you, your POV." What is the reason for this? Yes-Meaning discussion based on facts? Only emphasising the importance of stability. Thanks for playing along. I do want to express though, success comes through many channels of emphasis. No letter is better or worst than another. Its only when we get in that proving ground of a letter that we get sidetracked from our purpose. This is not an accuracy thing as much as a preparedness thing. I read about the job interview process and how to be prepared, i don't see this as being much different. WIth the exception that if you missed the mark in assumptions the process allows for discussion while you regain your POV. Again, thanks.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#53
thank you Louise Smith. I shall respond later tonight as I have to rush to a meeting now

Louise Smith

Louise Smith

3 years ago #46

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee whenever I need some positive influence and thinking, I naturally gravitate to looking up your latest buzz. Coming to terms with the abstract & sometimes unfamiliar ideas or contexts is absorbing. It's a strange take on relaxation or mindfulness ! Thank you !

Louise Smith

Louise Smith

3 years ago #45

#50
YES - "Your decision making tends to be somewhat pragmatic (D)" YES - "facts are very important but only enough to make a decision and as they may apply to Stability." For me " facts, stability then decision making are important." I want to avoid making decisions that are unstable for the business. " make sure we can accurately reflect back to you, your POV." What is the reason for this? "Any comments or thoughts during our discussion that raise the stability of you or your team will be met with pointed influence from a D perspective. " Meaning discussion based on facts? "reframe the thought with stability being emphasised." Yes, we are on the same wavelength. I don't think you need to include this " I usually do better with this in reading emails, or the first 15 minutes of meeting someone." Discussing on beBee buzz is not an easy medium ! You did fine !

Louise Smith

Louise Smith

3 years ago #44

I have administered the Personality Assessment Inventory (PAI), authored by Leslie Morey (1991, 2007), PhD. It is a self-report 344-item personality test that assesses a respondent's personality and psychopathology. BUT how many people will answer 344 questions ?

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #43

#46
"I am Dominance (32%) then Influence (30%) then Steadiness (28%)" @Louise Smith. If you would allow for some fun here i would like to probe what i would discuss with my team before meeting you in person in a business setting. Your decision making tends to be somewhat pragmatic (D), facts are very important but only enough to make a decision and as they may apply to Stability. Given the circumstances of the meeting either facts and decisions are important or facts stability then decision making. Should i have miscalculated i will know this by your trying to influence my thoughts to a different POV. I would instruct the team to realize that when you start influencing we need to stop talking and listen and make sure we can accurately reflect back to you, your POV. Any comments or thoughts during our discussion that raise the stability of you our your team will be met with pointed influence from a D perspective. I would instruct the team to apologise if they did not explain something properly and reframe the thought with stability being emphasised. This would be our prep for meeting you in a meeting that generally would surround business context. I would be interested in your feedback if i am on mars, orbiting earth or hit next door. I usually do better with this in reading emails, or the first 15 minutes of meeting someone.

Louise Smith

Louise Smith

3 years ago #42

#14
Edward Lewellen You wrote 1. "Our Core Identity (CI) is the stabilizing force when external forces are exerted upon us. 2. Our Role Identities (RI) are what crumble from external forces because they are fluid and are constantly changing. 3. Our Core Identity gives us a touchstone to rely upon in any given circumstance." 1. This depends on how well our CI is developed. 2. RI maybe long term and stable too - "mother" "father" "sister" "brother" "teacher" 3. Perhaps it is more of a combination of CI and RI at any given time Some people do not develop healthy CI and/or RI.

Louise Smith

Louise Smith

3 years ago #41

#5
Even though I am a psychologist Edward Lewellen I agree with your comments. Some of these tests are often an indication of a certain time frame. Or a person is stuck in a time frame. (7Up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up_Series).This is why longitudinal testing is so important but unfortunately doesn't often happen due to the expense and commitment demands. The young man was in an emotionally reactive state due to exposure to the behaviour of his father. This may have been conscious or unconscious. When the person becomes conscious of this state, they may choose to change their reactions. This is often a time of great trauma in their lives. Like you, as my Core Identity has developed over time and with freedom from constraints of significant others, I have developed a more balanced score.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #40

Opportunity for success is a direct result of how we have communicated our brand to prior to even getting in the door of opportunity. Given this point, phase two now begins of actually meeting, greeting and understanding the opportunities wants and needs. When facing opportunity at this level we have the chance to listen, respond and interact with opportunity. Sounds elementary at first glance, but we have all been at that place when the opportunity presented was not what we expected. This is the strength of the DiSC or other personality type profiling programs. Understanding communications through knowing we all came from a different narrative can help us navigate in real time within the opportunity. Knowing yourself and listening we can understand various points of view, in context, that we can accurately reflect and maybe just maybe find a third alternative to the two different POV of the opportunities brought to the room. Good leaders can change the dance even as the music tempo is constantly changing.

Louise Smith

Louise Smith

3 years ago #39

https://www.123test.com/disc-personality-test/ I found this free DiSC test which is quite interesting & novel. Maybee some of you bees might like to try it. I think it's worth it. It's fairly valid going by my results Funnily enough Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee I have the same as you but different % I am Dominance (32%) then Influence (30%) then Steadiness (28%) If you look at these 3 scores I am fairly even across them. This is probably an influence from being a high school teacher for decades ! It's a matter of survival. https://www.123test.com/personality-test/ The Big 5 personality test is also ok. There are other tests to explore too.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#43
I believe the DiSC originator would not have expressed his perspective as clearly as you did Harvey Lloyd "DiSC is not a diagnosis but rather a starting point for understanding how our POV in conjunction with others at the table may present conflict, risk to purpose or worst allow us to end with a compromised position".

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#42
Harvey Lloyd- I paused greatly on this part of your comment "We should look at the DiSC as merely a elementary way to begin understanding that we have natural patterns of concern". This is what I am trying to convey and you aren't putting words in my mouth. As we see patterns of concern; likewise we see pattern of behaviors. I dare say that we see a strange attractor of behaviors. No two behaviors are exactly the same or cross path, but they all fall within the boundary of the attractor. DiSC profiles fall within the boundary of this attractor. We shall not exactly know what the behavior shall be exactly, but we know its general characteristics. As CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit mentioned our behaviors are not linear and the relationship between cause and effect are not proportional. A small change in behavior might lead to different outcome. But out of all these behaviors we know that they shall fall within a zone. We don't expect exact science from complex behaviors, but we know that a pattern shall form out of all behaviors.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #36

#41
I would state that with any knowledge we can carry it to psychosis. But would state that when we are aspiring leaders entering a world where our skills are untested, improving our communications is a way to accelerate the process. The risk of "going overboard" is there, but this risk is better than not going at all. DiSC offers a leader the chance to introduce higher level communications in a very general way and have his team members better discus their POV. DiSC is not a diagnosis but rather a starting point for understanding how our POV in conjunction with others at the table may present conflict, risk to purpose or worst allow us to end with a compromised position. The main idea behind DiSC is the observant effect. Once we look at the process of communications and wish to improve in certain areas it begins to change, agreed. The question for me, how do you introduce the concept of improved communications to the team? DiSC is one way.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #35

#37
I appreciate the POV whereby any profile could lead or possibly misguide an individual within their journey to wisdom. I see personality bent profiling as an interesting step towards understanding how we and others impact our environment. I also agree that in some cases managers and leaders take the process way to far. But i believe in the case of Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee posts he is attempting to introduce the process of being self aware within our conversations. (Hope i am not placing words on the page for you here Ali.) Even from my own perspective this sounds elementary in nature. Some great minds have weighed in here with the pitfalls of any profiling styled assessments. I would agree in the higher thought process arena. I may have inadvertently introduced the word behavior into the dialogue, elevating the discussion into a realm of higher thinking. This was a mistake. We should look at the DiSC as merely a elementary way to begin understanding that we have natural patterns of concern. Some valid some not. I would like to add that the major issue within any communication occurs when risk, goals, purpose or other high importance factors exist. I have found more often than not that communications are focused on the same thing, but from different perspectives. Being a D i tend to be pragmatic in my choices and decisions, i can destabilize an S if they don't sense that i have included all of the factors in creating a stabilize environment. By just thinking about this i have become a better leader as i now include the stability part within the pragmatic decision. In a world where communications is everything, can we not help our team communicate more effectively?

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#36
#33 I am responding to both these two great comments by Harvey Lloyd. In complex systems as humans are the starting point might send us in different trajectories. If somebody responds to the the questions to chart out his behavior profile he may give different answers if he starts with a different mood. However; we are looking for trends and in general the trends are less exposed to one individual mood. I also question the degree of deviation. If my mood is different and so the starting point is different I might not repeat the same answers when I am in a different mood. However; I doubt if my answers would change drastically so that I give inverse answers. There shall always be differences, but within certain ranges. if my DiSC profile is DC may be next time I get CD. But repeating behaviors will leave their track in profiles. The other thing is reading the story behind the profiles. This requires analysis and searching. Having the profile is one thing, understanding the behavior behind it is another because we need to see the motivating factors behind the profile.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#36
This is a great point my friend Edward Lewellen " Whenever someone attempts to quantify the intangible, they charge it". You remind me of the observant effect- whenever we observe something we change it. Intangibles are indifferent. This is a keypoint worthy of further investigation.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#35
Yes, we try to know how to communicate effectively without insulting others or antagonizing them Joanne Gardocki

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

3 years ago #31

#35
Unfortunately assessments can be psychologically glued to identity. It is not the same as using an assessment as a compass to relationship bridges. By bridges I mean that if the assessment is backed by other factors and tell us a story that would not otherwise readily be seen, then two intelligent people can build a relationship bridge that is between them. Yet if I see on LinkedIn or even on a cubicle or a door, a communal identification then I need to be careful and sleeping dogs lie, so Harvey Lloyd dog metaphor is appropriate because the relationship has no depth, it is a literal interpretation rather than a nuanced one. Behavior traits are simply a clue,the labels people some buy into are their own declared value judgements. While the complexity of a human being is something to look forward to, because we all like to think that beyond abundance of shallowness some may hide a surprising depth, in the world of work people psychological classify and stereotype like tribes, and we are left with actual shallowness. In such a situation it should not surprise us that when we challenge a label, we are challenging identity worn as a veneer. The last thing we want to see is defensive reactions or even people developing thick skins, yet where these profiles become an intelligent conversation and lead to new links, these tools become interesting guides. The problem is that such subtly is the domain of the few rather than the many. Many are not invested in learning about themselves or building long-term or deep relationships. So sometimes we need to walk on egg-shells or tippy toes before we meet someone who enjoys thinking about insights rather than reacting to labels. What gets addressed here is the lesser road traveled.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #30

I found the dog metaphor appropriate, but maybe for different reasons. The dog may be barking are being aggressive for several reasons. Dogs become aggressive because of Alpha Male tendencies and you may be a challenger, It could be a mom protecting pups or the dog just barks at everything with no aggression intended. How you some up to the situation could be the difference between walking away or finding a stick. If you walk closer to the pups mom will become even more aggressive. If its the alpha male thing, you may not be able to walk away without the fight, posturing while finding something to fend the dog off. The dog just wants you to know you are too close to the property line, walk on. By knowing dog behavior i have a better chance of a happy ending. The purpose of knowing the behavior is to have a successful conclusion of the goal. Which ultimately translates into the WPD we are able to communicate more effectively.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #29

Several comments have expanded on the nebulous nature of personal profiles. At some level i think i agree. But the profile was never meant to replace a skill or build one as much as it is developed for the ability for us to understand why we do what we do. In taking the test one has to position their answers on either personal or professional. You will evaluate to two different profiles. Also we need to understand that profiles are based on performance based issues. Imagine you are the head project manager and the burden is great, now answer the questions. Surely a bad day and you are in an emotional state is not going to render a good evaluation of your constant. But the entire process is based on you wanting to learn from scratch why you are motivated the way you are. So like any self evaluation it requires your own honesty and understanding of the process. I don't want to place to much weight on the personal profile as some cure all end all. But as a first step of self awareness 101 its a great starting place. The 401 classes get real hard if you don't get this one. Great discussion.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #28

I believe we are confusing action with DiSC profiles. Any DiSC letter can be domineering and controlling. The focus for DiSC is to help us place words and profiles in front of us to better understand communications and more importantly motivations. All behaviors are attempting to satisfy something. When i witness a behavior i have to interpret the meaning. Unfortunately in today's world we don't interpret we match the behavior to one that we have in inventory, label and then act. This is a one way ticket for leaders to the circular file. Active listening and the ability to read the environment start with understanding profiles of folks and why the communicate the way they do.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#30
dear Edward Lewellen. You are mentioned in it

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #26

#5
#6 It would be hard to get over top Edward Lewellens comment here. But would say that we need to maintain perspective. Those who have traveled the road of self awareness through whatever process they took it was a journey. Looking back at those who are questioning their position and want change DiSC, Meyer's-Briggs and other personality explorations are our first steps on the journey. Once our eyes are opened to the given narrative in comparison to our own review and understanding, the journey continues into deeper chasms of thought and understanding. More importantly, our identity is secure in that we know who we are and now have the courage to forage ahead. The journey quest of self awareness is one that has to be taken slowly and deliberately. The various profiling methods help us apply words and thoughts to those habits so ingrained it would need a crow bar to uproot. I believe that CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit and Edward are both exposing a long journey of wisdom gathering.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#28
yes very correct and I hope the ego of knowing doesn't infect us.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

3 years ago #24

#26
Yes it is embracing both the window of the past, from which we stand on the shoulders of the great, and embracing the new window which brings us directly with the new - especially what is new for us. Here the old becomes new again and that is the marvelous thing about knowledge, that we don't know what we don't know. The risk of misinterpretation is the finger of knowing becoming a missile of ego. The humility is knowing if discovering things for the first time and that is the part of the Todd Kashdan article that most appealed to my senses.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#25
dear Debasish Majumder- yes and I understand your concerns. We can't control the environment, but we may adapt to it.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#24
great elaboration my friend CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit. I don't diagree with you. In fact you have a wider vision than I have. I mentioned the movement of the "ball of our thinking" as suchh because this was mentioned in a linked article to the link you provided in your first comment. Yes. Complex systems don't follow Newtonian movement. This is anew window to look through.

Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

3 years ago #21

#15
difficult to comprehend for me as it appear quite esoteric to me. unless i may align with one's view, how come he become my role identity? so, i guess, the element lying on me having the ability to align or shun one, and this keeps me in confusion about the capacity of external conditions to effect on me. besides, if it exerts force on me, am i solely responsible to judge or accept it? besides, my own social or economic state too plays a major role to determine what inclination i may express, precisely based on my class interests. however, that you sir Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee for citing the comment and drawing attention, as few points are truly worthy to ponder.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

3 years ago #20

#23
The key to rotation is not clockwise or anticlockwise but the revolving balls of curiosity (which is exemplified by your marvelous link to Todd Kashdan's article. https://experiencelife.com/article/the-power-of-curiosity/ )There is perception value in linear movements such as polarities between positive and negative or revolving linearity such as clockwise and anti-clockwise motion, but they fit into a Newtonian context rather than the one that Kashdan describes. Kashdan also mentioned the work of Seligman and Peterman and their 24 human character strengths and core virtues. When I followed that up, that simply exposed me to a new pattern but it is not the all-defining pattern of human existence https://creativesystemsthinking.wordpress.com/2014/09/03/24-human-character-strengths-and-core-virtues/ It simply provides 24 probe points organized into 6 core virtue areas. Who is to say that there are 24 character strengths or 6 centers of core virtue, the numbers themselves are more reassuring. I can embrace the meditative qualities of it and moreover I can focus on those areas that fit my context, but we tend to favour comparison and agreement - and that brings us back to the certainty that linearity provides - we are programmed towards conformity much more than we are towards surprise, uncertainty. This is where curiosity enables us to be witness to our own individual revolution and evolution. This is why the discussion of curiosity opens the revolution to the way our neurons fire, for our brain does not revolve, but connect in a universe of synapse, for sure within which polarities and direction play a part, but this a neural cosmic relationship which remains still unfathomable to scientists and medics who study the human brain.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#22
I am still absorbing your valuuableomment and the linked article. I wonder now if holding an idea like we hang a light ball that soon starts moving clockwise or anticlockwise forming a circle. Our discussion are rotating my head clockwise with support of your great comments and then anticlockwise trying to digest opposing ideas. This is the sweet stress of discussions.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

3 years ago #18

#10
I concur largely with Edward Lewellen' comment about DiSC. I like such tools as DiSC and Myers Briggs because they build a particular perspective and therefore these tools act as sounding boards but they are not substitutes for decision, because they are purely contextual and where we pay regard to our social definition these tests are much like a Ouija Board, they will lead us to where we think the group consensus is about who we think we are and how we think others see us. In the case of Ouija Boards http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130729-what-makes-the-ouija-board-move the mystical movement comes from physical group effects, but in Myers-Briggs I would attribute group effects to our mirror neurons. For instance once upon a time I learned that my favourite thinkers were INTP on a Myers Briggs. I was disappointed when I first came across as an ENFP, but as I began to understand the tool and yet make more decisive choices, my trait began appearing as INTP. So much so that when I read the descriptions for an INTP, it further validated my "type". The reality is that much like a horoscope, the type we read lines up with our belief or perception. Yet if we read a type description by error, we could make the reading applicable to us. When leadership is not that much different from witchcraft, then it is time to define leadership as 21st Century. Yet it is still contextual because how I define 21st Century leadership depends on my context for that. I like that Carl Jung described creating personality assessments about "types" as a "childish parlour game". So in the case of Myers Briggs, the originator of types had already warned about using his work as a plaything.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#19
I love your honesty dear Lisa Vanderburg will comment so that we may have feedback from the other pole. I appreciate greatly your engagement in these discussions my friend.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #16

#17
hearing you loud and clear Joyce \ud83d\udc1d Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee! That is the hard truth; so many of us are relegated to areas that negate us from even being in the bleddin' team!

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #15

#13
Totally, wise Edward Lewellen! I've taken the tests with several differing answers. That's in great part due to how I'm 'feeling' (hate saying that word...you'll see why). 1. Because I was self-employed I don't fit into brackets that are really designed for corporate. 2. I no longer 'work' - I am a full-time care-giver for my husband. 3. Numbers 1 & 2 have amounted to colossal change in our circumstances; no doubt having an effect on my results. 4. It is too late to change anything! But I can trip over the cat with impunity, like the rest of us :) I honestly think, in the last 10+years the circumstantial changes are the very reason I'm having difficulty coming to grips with the last couple of our much-loved Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee's buzzes, but I still applaud the mind-stretch and all the contributing commentees!

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#17
you are extremely humble dear Joyce \ud83d\udc1d Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee. Just a question for you. How many could write a comment of such value as you? To be on the edge is more challenging as you are directly exposed to the external environment. You might feel destabilized sometimes, but that may be the edge to soething great to emerge. As a reader of many of your buzzes you stand high my friend.

Joyce ๐Ÿ Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee

I hear you, Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee. I see you as such a valuable contributor here. My core was formed in turmoil, with worse than dominant progenitors. Thus I dwell in the land of the Rescuer, which hardly makes a dent. The stability of the current is necessary to make things work, and I see many in here as providing that stability. I dwell on the edges and refuse to deny those tendencies that manifest in corruption. Truth is--I could dwell in that corruption myself if my currents had been slightly different. Oh, how I envy those of you who dwell in the overwhelming swell of the current. I long to make a difference within the ranks of those who truly make a difference.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#13
you afe saying myfriend Edward Lewellen. I have to think deeper- much deeper- of your comment for it has far-reaching effects.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#13
what do you think dear Debasish Majumder comment?

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#11
This is an open forum dear @Debasish and you are asking good questions. In fact I invited few minds to the discussions because you raised important issues. Thank you dear Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

3 years ago #9

#9
i guess, the quality being disposed by one bears an inherent force to enhance the quantity and thus the quantitative value being determined. i wonder, the force being catapulted by the said external quality, though apparently not visible, but having the potentials to cause for one to extend his voluntarily support. however, with my little understanding with the subject you shared sirAli \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee i may dared to share my views.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

I invite dears David Navarro L\u00f3pez to also respond to the comments below.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#8
Good thoughts dear Debasish Majumder #5 he refers to the value of our core identity. To what degree this core identity is influenced by external conditions is a question that I leave to Edward. I really look forward to reading his comment.

Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

3 years ago #6

#7
i am in doubt sir Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee whether any act could be done without force? besides, can we distinguish aggressive and soothing dominance? involuntary as well voluntary, i guess, both are being largely guided by the external conditions. our willingness to extend support to one or to withdraw support from one is not just the mere fancy or whims of our cerebral, rather, it is the external quality which trigger us to act with a stimuli of different magnitude, resulting us to act accordingly, a force which apparently cannot be visualized, but its very presence we can feel and this reflections only occur in our brain.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#4
No question that sharing is caring dear Debasish Majumder. To care for the product of a mind that is worthy of it is truly commendable. But, you aren't obliged or forced to do it. What would you feel if you were forced to do it? This brings the point that you shared this buzz, for example. I appreciate it greatly. It is a voluntary act. Aggressive dominance may try too force you to share. This is unacceptable. Is it?

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#5
MOW! This is a great comment my friend Edward Lewellen. I really enjoyed reading it. You wrote "The behaviors displayed were a result of who he had become, not who he is in his Core Identity". Towards the end of your comment you wrote "Your D and I measurement are more mid-range, so you've experienced this. Years ago, My D and C were extremely high, by finding my Core Identity, I'm now well-balanced" This is quite interesting as you say indirectly (and please correct me if I am wrong) that the DISC profile isn't like fingerprints as it changes with time. This is quite challenging. I wonder what Harvey Lloyd would say.

Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

3 years ago #3

the creative bent of mind and their creations being largely depend on people who are accepting his creations and appreciate and eulogize him. it is the faculties of the people too which represents him as genius. so, their appreciations are equally essential for one to be get noticed. when i observe a lovely creation, i tend to share it in order to usher other to see and appreciate too. now, the question is my choice and its presentation. and in that case misrepresentation can too responsible to create a new controversy. i wonder, how misrepresentation could be judged? dominated mind too are responsible to promote chaos. however, lovely insight sir Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee! enjoyed read and shared. thank you very much for the share sir.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#2
Thank you Hector Fong Mendoza. First comment by readers has its own value.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Harvey Lloyd- you are mentioned in the buzz

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