Visual Flow of Ideas

Visual Flow of Ideas

My latest three buzzes received more than three hundred comments on beBee alone. These comments are mostly in response to previous comment(s). The flow of comments may have been interrupted occasionally; alas they produced great ideas. This buzz is a humble attempt to review the new ideas these discussions revealed.

I am doing this with a purpose- to show how the exchange of ideas under certain conditions is a great way for all of us to learn, grow and create new ideas or modified ones for the betterment of all of us.

The discussions revealed a butterfly effect. The seemed little importance of a comment turned out to have a big effect in stirring the discussions. The effect was much greater than the cause. Equally important the discussions revealed the need to be able to visually see our different opinions to see the gaps and how to deal with them without deviating from the main purpose of writing a buzz. For example, if a comment attacks the author in person showed a variety of responses. Harvey Lloyd suggested ignoring them. Sara Jacobovici suggested the author to control his response because no one can control the commentor. SusanΒ Rooks, the Grammar Goddess suggested avoidance whereas Lisa Vanderburg suggested forgiveness, if at all possible.

The author, I, suggested that the comments have their own risk. Like any risk, the impact of risk is defined by its frequency and impact. The scope of risk was further elaborated upon by DebΒ Helfrich who saw the risk as a contaminator to the discussion community and isn’t limited to the author and its negative impact isn’t limited to the author only, but also extends to the discussion community. Lisa Vanderburg expressed similar views. ChrisΒ Guest Cert.Prof.Acc.SA picked the thread and called for the need to mitigate such risks so as not to be repeated frequently and flow out of their tolerance level. Cyndi wilkins expressed her concern on the risk of those writers of negative comments. Harvey Lloyd picked these ideas by suggesting the introduction of a graphic of the risk of losing our purpose of discussions. To my best understanding I draw the graphic below.

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(You may notice that I highlighted the DISC segment of Discernment in red for a purpose to explain soon).

You can see easily that the above discussions don’t fall on the diagonal line and deviate from it. We differ in our weighing risks and their impact. They range from zero risk (by avoiding, neglecting, ignoring and the like responses to seeing the effect being repeated and affecting the community and poisoning discussions and escalating to almost a value of 100). We need to see to what extent our actions deviate from the straight line so as to see how best to deal with them.

One reason for these deviations is that we have different DISC Profiles. MY profile is mostly D for (Dominant), followed by I (Influence), 33%) and I am low at both S (Steadiness) and C (Compliance). My behaviors shall be different from those people who are mostly S or D. Combining the Disc Graph with the above risk graph may be of great help for us to understand our varying responses to the impact of risks. This in turn would help us in better understanding each other and on expanding our tolerance zones.

The beauty of the above discussions is that they make management more visual and easier therefore to spot differences and build bridges of understanding. I like therefore the variation that Milos Djukic suggested for DISC to read as:

D for Determination
I for Interweaving of internal maturity
S for Self-similarity
C for C-butterfly

We have a new DISC system that warrants a dedicated buzz to explore it depth. I promise to do soon.

What helps us more in minimizing the deviations that drift us from the diagonal straight line in the risk graph above is using filters as Sara Jacobovici suggested. Meanwhile, Jean L. Serio CPC, CeMA offered her filtering system composed of:

Maintain your professionalism; 2) be respectful and agree to disagree. 3) Speak only for yourself (we have no right to speak for others unless asked to); 4) Speak of the facts (absolutely essential) or use the phrase 'I believe'.

Chris… suggested an expansion of the filtering system to include:

5.Reserve the right NOT to comment if one has nothing of value to add (Often my approach personally; although I may add a "relevant" if any comment /(s)resonates)
6.Be sure to read the full buzz and the commentary sequence before adding tones own comment. This is essential to fully and properly contextualize ones response.

Yolanda Ávila MÑrquez suggested using Socrates three filtering system. So, we may combine all these ideas to develop the beBee filtering system.

The Blue Ocean Strategy has four pillars. These are Increase, Decrease, Eliminate and Create. These could also be adding the Filtering Pillar to increase its applicability. Avoid is part of this filter.to it. We are here suggesting a modified Blue Ocean Strategy.

These are some of the highlights of our discussions. beBee is truly providing us with an ample room to build on our discussions and move forward.


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CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

3 years ago #102

#127
No. There are explanations worth giving but while some of us are adaptive to thinking, the human race in general in creating conceptions such as nationality and religion are drawn to concreting what should adaptive. While the adaptive mind can adapt, the history of concrete and linear thinking has shown how symbols have been literally translated. Instead of the river of life being a metaphor, Indians treat the Ganges as a literal translation. This is why I consider HR to be the bastion of a religion rather than a business enterprise. For sure there are great entrepreneurs who give life and meaning to HR, but just as religion has become obsessed with the symbol, so does the rank and file of HR. The last time I upset command and control HR it was a Myers-Briggs exercise that HR group was having with employees. That showed me how a DISC profile can quickly turn into a DICK profile. Why would people interpret these things any different in the future, when there are so many still messing up the past. I celebrate this buzz because you are adaptive and the comments have my regard because you tend to attract adaptive minds, but no matter how well we explain these things, these things flow back to that very space which we find so much comedy, from Dilbert to Office Space, from House of Lies to Swimming with Sharks. An explanation of a DICK profile does nothing to enlighten the world but the existence of literal minded HR folk mean that we are left only with that image of comedy and tragedy as the paradox we have failed to overcome - and so instead of explanation, one must smile knowing that this is still actual life. This cow path has been walked on so long that we notice only the road less traveled and in that is the humour.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

3 years ago #101

#127
No. There are explanations worth giving but while some of us are adaptive to thinking, the human race in general in creating conceptions such nationality and religion are drawn to concreting what should adaptive. While the adaptive mind can adapt, the history of concrete and linear thinking has shown how symbols have been literally translated. Instead of the river of life being a metaphor, Indians treat the Ganges as a literal translation. This is why I consider HR to be the bastion of a religion rather than a business enterprise. For sure there are great entrepreneurs who give life and meaning to HR, but just as religion has become obsessed with the symbol, so does the rank and file of HR. The last time I upset command and control HR it was a Myers-Briggs exercise that HR group was having with employees. That showed me how a DISC profile can quickly turn into a DICK profile. Why would people interpret these things any different in the future, when there are so many still messing up the past. I celebrate this buzz because you are adaptive and the comments have my regard because you tend to attract adaptive minds, but no matter how well we explain these things, these things flow back to that very space which we find so much comedy, from Dilbert to Office Space, from House of Lies to Swimming with Sharks. An explanation of a DICK profile does nothing to enlighten the world but the existence of literal minded HR folk mean that we are left only with that image of comedy and tragedy as the paradox we have failed to overcome - and so instead of explanation, one must smile knowing that this is still actual life. This cow path has been walked on so long that we notice only the road less traveled and in that is the humour.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#126
dICK Profile- this sounds very intereztingCityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit. Could you explain more, please?

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

3 years ago #99

When I began reading this it was because Chris had linked this to my Yellow Hive. The opening paragraphs seemed to be about complexity and the butterfly effect which would place this buzz in my Violet Hive, yet the actual meat and bones of this buzz is about communication and thus I moved this buzz into my Gray Hive. Filter failure starts with our first primary response. Since I am going backwards in time reading old buzzes, this changes the context of recent buzzes but regardless of the context, my goal here is creating my own learning pathways and so I am constantly on the look out for new tangents and new avenues of inquiry. In a latter buzz I found one of those avenues which led me to the post on Curiousity, which I also immediately tagged today to my White Hive. The umbrella theme of applying filters is a technicality that beBee can work out and in this context, the feedback here is going to Javier \ud83d\udc1d beBee but as I have arrived here, the context personally for me is my relationship with content and what the possibility of that content has for my learning. I can't design a filter for 7 billion people, but I can discern a filter for one person, which is my own self. Discernment is the most natural filter we have, because it is us as human being and not as a model. If I created DREAMER - INFLUENCER - CRITIC - KOOLKAT such a DICK profile will be just as useful as a DISC profile for determining filters but such a classification remains unnecessarily complex. Our ability to hide content is technically available, but discernment is our own choice. In the world of comments people mostly forget what they have written, the content maker should have tools to curate their content, but discernment is a personal choice and not a group model.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #98

#123
Be careful now, you are setting an expectation i may not be able to uphold in all settings. I appreciate your comments and also the learning journey. Thanks for your kind words. Every once and while i find myself in sync with the world around me. Most often i am chasing the train. In DiSC langauge i get my D out ahead of reality.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#120
I say out of experience that Harvey Lloyd for acknowledging the heart of Harvey. He gives his knowledge not expecting any thing in return. He is truly a great human.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#119
this is what I call sweet differences dear . physical memomory may weaken, but not the desire to learn and share. You are so considerate my friend.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#118
believe me Chris this is my attitude. If I think of the hours I invested with Harvey Lloyd over the last 3 days to learn so as to communicate my acquired knowledge to the readers you shall be surprised. To be living is to be growing AND giving.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Glad to inform the readers of this buzz that the DiSC communications profile idea has shaped up now. The same graphmay be used for building negotiation teams and reverse thinking. I have huge exchange of emails with Harvey Lloyd over the last few days-enough to write an ebook. The discussions have been truly worthy. Will sharevery soon our findings.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#115
The idea floated in my mind while responding here today to a comment by Deb\ud83d\udc1d Lange, Brand Ambassador @beBee. I shall soon try to draw mine and then shall share it with you.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #92

#114
I am really not familiar with a experience map. So if you could shoot some links over that explains the process it would be interesting.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#112
Thank you Harvey Lloyd and I am sue she too will give your comment the attention it deserves. As you are aware, I am still probing how best to formulate the next buzz and your comments here are stretching my mind into more options. I thank you also for your kind words about me. However; without your active participation the discussions would not have reached the level we are all enjoying here. The fact that so many new ideas are surfacing out is so pleasing to the heart. I would love your feedback on drawing the experience map. I sure your experience will produce a great map. The discussions here have highlighted the importance of visualizing our thinking and differences. To this end you have a great credit.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #90

#112
An excellent summation Harvey Lloyd, and I must take this opportunity to applaud what you do!

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #89

#109
I guess i am a little sensitive in this issue. We work with students all day that are unbending in their point of view. Our goal is to help them step back take another look and see if they can find different ways to express themselves. The students are emotionally disturbed. They act out their emotions in ways society can not handle. Criticism here at the school is defined so broadly that it is difficult express to students what criticism may look like. It gets a bit hairier when you try to help students understand the different nuances of negative and positive. Our methods truly zero in on the response, not the stimulus itself. The students are taught that they have the power to choose how the interpret a event, situation and how their choices should be guided by the outcome they want. In debriefing with students concerning the outcomes we typically inquire did they get what they wanted from the behaviour. So many of my comments are standing on this fundamental understanding of the human dynamic. Self Awareness first, then discernment through analysis of events and potential outcomes based on your response. This has been one of the best threads on beBee since my start. We truly are tackling some of the grand issues of our time. They sting as the various opinions surface, but amazingly, the dialogue continues. Thank you @Ali Anani for your continued efforts to help us better understand our paradigm.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#110
With your courageous heart what then I would say my dear Lisa Vanderburg? I read your comment on that buzz and I appreciate your standing. Truly, you are amazing.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #87

#108
There are some places even I fear to tread, dear Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee :)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#105
Thank you Deb\ud83d\udc1d Lange, Brand Ambassador @beBee to this exchange of comments between you and I.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#99
Thank you Lisa Vanderburg. Would you also be interested in drawing your experience map/ thinking map as well?

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#104
please tag me dear Deb\ud83d\udc1d Lange, Brand Ambassador @beBee when you do.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#103
The idea just crossed my mind dear Deb\ud83d\udc1d Lange, Brand Ambassador @beBee because of the inspiration of your comment. I haven't drawn one yet, but you could model it as a mind map. Your first comments here showed how your thinking changed with time and experience. You could also develop your thinking map separately or as part of your experience map.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#97
Now, after my own experience I do the same. Yesterday, a bee wrote a buzz criticizing me. I liked the buzz and shared it with my followers. I tried to be nice to those who pass judgement on me. What will this signal to them is their own explanation. I like your approach of ignoring. Bravo Paul Walters

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#95
Deb\ud83d\udc1d Lange, Brand Ambassador @beBee- you wrote: "The more we stretch ourselves to know ourselves know our strengths know what else we can develop the more resilient we can become". Please consider my suggestion to you by writing a buzz on this quote from your comment. Believe me we need it.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#94
As we age some people say way become less passionate and rely more on our experiences. I don't know to what degree this is correct, but I like your experience Deb\ud83d\udc1d Lange, Brand Ambassador @beBee. We need to be resilient and open to varying challenges. If I may suggest to you if you would draw what I coin here as "experience mapping" then I believe that from your comments it shall be different than others. This way we may compare experience maps and we may draw nice conclusions. Would you be willing to draw yours and I draw mine and then publish a joint buzz? All readers are invited as well if they find this idea plausible. You see your experience is so rich and by mapping it you may even have new ideas. Awaiting for your response.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #79

#85
Joyce \ud83d\udc1d Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee Amen sister! So much of this is too lofty for me, but it doesn't stop me from seeing that positive forward-thinking motion so needed to move on and up.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#93
Thank you Deb\ud83d\udc1d Lange, Brand Ambassador @beBee suggested) and (WPD Factor- that is Wonderment, Passion and Drive) and their importance in resolving differences resulting from gaps. I don't know how to what degree of originality this approach will have, but at least it is a serious trial.

Paul Walters

Paul Walters

3 years ago #77

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Hmm that was food for thought. As an author I have had to develop a rather thick skin when it comes to review ( or I guess they could be called comments) I have had reviews where the writer has taken to me and my writing with the savagery of an angry butcher! As my agent said once , "take it on the chin, its part of the 'game' and never, never reply, even though you are itching to. How true, ! I fortify myself and bask in the glow of positive reviews and let the negative ones drift away even though I take on board what has been said. Thank you for another engaging piece!!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#91
will surely do Sara Jacobovici. Asked me to wait for he has info to share with me. I shall do my best. Marrying or coupling the WPDFactor with DiSC profiles is truly challenging. But shall do my best soon

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

3 years ago #75

#83
Can't wait Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee. Please tag me when you've posted the buzz.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#87
you have established your credibility and integrity beyond sall doubts. Dear Deb \ud83d\udc1d Helfrich we need your wisdom and courage.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#86
gthank you . I agree entirely with your comment. We have the right to differ and differences may lead to more discoveries than agreements. As long as we keep the integrity of not offending others. Your contribution to the buzz is significant. I apprecite your mind as always is

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#85
when we have mutual trust then the sail shall be sace. I agree with you Joyce \ud83d\udc1d Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee

Joyce 🐝 Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee

This is so damned relevant. Agree to disagree is so very important. I have views and you (collective) have views. My views may not reflect your views, but that gives no one the right to mold me in your image. I'm too damned old for that.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #70

#81
I agree, mine was more cautionary in nature. Giving community members the benefit of the doubt before the label i reason is good community integrity. Until they prove otherwise. In some cases as you mention it is clear that the individual is part of the community but rather is inveous and destructive.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

I dare say now that after having great discussions here and private ones with Harvey Lloyd and myself coined as the WPD Factor has far more importance than we ever thought. In my next buzz I shall relate this factor to the DISC Profiles and the importance of this linkage.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#81
I wish to add a note here to your comment Deb\ud83d\udc1d Lange, Brand Ambassador @beBee. You are talking about extreme cases. Either these people are irreparable, or they may have unique capabilities. Just today morning I was thinking about the same. Science is discovering for example that in extremely low temperatures the reaction rates increase for some chemicals. This defies logic because we know reaction rates normally increase with temperature as the reacting molecules have more opportunity to collide with each other. I am baffled by how some materials behave when are places on the "edge of extremes". I promise to cover this topic soon. What I am saying here is that being at the extreme may reflect completely unacceptable behaviors, or we are on the verge of some interesting findings. Just to be careful when drawing the separation line.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#79
You "catch" me in the proper time as I am thinking on how to link the WPD factor (Wonderment, Passion, Drive)into the DiSC Profile. I think I found a way. Within the context of your comment I may say that people who impede the passions of wonderment, curiosity, deprive people of their pride and drive to work they are offline. Somebody might oppose me passionately because of concern for the purpose of organization is in fact an assistant in my exploration journey. People who show pride in what they do and drive to do it because they believe in what they do are certainly welcome to any organization, even though they might be opposing the mode by which others do the work. These people filter their passion throughout the organization. People who distinguish passion are the one to be watched. Yes, labeling people is dangerous more often than not. Even if they belong to the given label, they may feel they own it and therefore adapt their style to fit the frames of the label given to them. Labels become like names- simply owned. Yes, I take your points here very seriously. You actually bring an issue that deserves our attention and I don't believe it has been given its worth of taking care of.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #66

#77
The project Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee is working on is one where we may be able to identify when we encounter a "narcissistt" is it truly the case or is it a personality conflict? We live in a very sensitivity period of humanity. Folks are quick to label based on familiarity provided by media as opposed to their own senses seeking understanding. If we have "time" (A large gap between stimulus response) then we should use it to seek understanding, if time is not present and i must act "right now", pull the gun and get r done. A community grows stronger by accepting those who are not like us, through understanding. We need not accept the folks who wish to subvert the community for their own good. But we do need to make sure that this is their objective before we pin the label. Labels are a bit of a sore spot for myself. Back in the early 80's i would use derogatory terms to describe groups of people. I wasn't a bigot or nasty to folks but the terms were just part of my culture. Until one day i had a preacher man explain to me what the derogatory labels really mean. It demonstrated hate about a nebulous group that did not exist in reality. He went on and referenced two or three of my friends and asked if they fit under that label. I said no they are cool. He continued to question, Then who does the label fit? I couldn't answer him other than the standard BS of media. Labels hurt both the user and the person being labeled. Don't let labels define people, define them for yourself. So labels should be like Ghost Peppers, apply sparingly, less you heat up more than just your mouth. Your points and comments are always awesome, i enjoyed this one.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#77
Deb\ud83d\udc1d Lange, Brand Ambassador @beBee- With all honesty I missed your presence while the discussions were on high intensity. Yes, the community is more important than any individual for the whole is more important than the parts. I love your spirit and sensitivity to the community. The dynamic discussions has not only to the writing of this buzz, but more to come. I am currently engaged privately with Harvey Lloyd on the DiSC profile and its impact on leadership. I plan to report our findings soon. Yes, when we care about the community with open senses we all benefit. I lived this experience right here.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#75
Your comment resonates with me so well and in a timely manner Harvey Lloyd. I realized how plotting different personalities on one diagram what chaos we end up with. To bring order into such chaos we need a purpose that is above the ego of any one. We need to remove the stone and also to be able of which stone to remove. Yes, and I shall take note of this comment in a buzz on DiSC soon based mainly on our exchanges of ideas here and your great insights Harvey.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #63

#74
If we could see the profile piece as a way to bring down walls so that our skills can be applied, then it is helpful. DiSC is not a skill in itself, but rather a self awareness exercise for us to see our footprint along with many others within a success paradigm. My glass half full mentality states that success is right in front of us, we need only remove the barriers. I have heard it said a stone mason doesn't build a statue, they merely remove the stone that wasn't suppose to be there in the first place, revealing the statue. The stone in metaphor, represents our communications barrier and understanding within the success paradigm. We need only to remove this barrier and our skills will reveal success. Five people in a room all attempting to satisfy their own paradigm will only end in mediocrity or at worst failure. Five people in a room that can communicate through understanding communications principals that DiSC offers can reveal a successful outcome.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#73
I am reading this comment having just finished thoroughly your email and the "golden" report on DiSC. I have just sent you an email in response. The DiSC profile is really becoming like a bird with two wings and about to fly into more purposeful usages. I can see the profile of Red Herring distracting us from the main purpose. I strongly believe that HR and executive directors should find this ongoing dialogue of great relevance to them and I wish they would get more involved in the discussions. The issues are very relevant to them. I wish somebody would share this buzz to the HR Hive or the Managers Hive. I don't want to go too far at this point of time. How about using these profile in risk management in banks, for example? Too much thinking is awaiting us.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #61

#72
Keep in mind my pragmatism is almost a psychosis. The graph should be internalized and used as a quick reference when in meetings and you see folks displaying profile data instead of offering service to the purpose. It gives you a way to communicate more effectively and get them back to the purpose. I dont know if you are familiar with the "Red Herring". This is a concept in negotiating that is used to drop additional risk points onto the graph in order to divert communications away from the original purpose. Leaders are well aware of this tactic and realize that the person that throws it out is usually harboring a fear of exposure in some area. Leaders also know not to go fishing with the red herring in the water but rather deal directly with the exposure issue. DiSC can help us better understand motivation in others when the red herrings show up. Most importantly it somewhat expands on Frankl's thoughts of the gap between stimulus and response. My hope for this discourse is that some find new paradigms when communicating in medium to high risk profile settings. Understanding peoples motivations can lead to addressing fears and not character. My belief is we only have influence on others, offering a 1% chance of success. Exploiting this 1% in crisis is where success lies. DiSC/Myers-Briggs helps us exploit the 1% chance by scrapping off the narrative surrounding the comment to see if substance exists.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#71
Good day Harvey Lloyd. I sent you two messages last night. However; I found them in the draft box this morning. I wanted to thank you for the excellent graphs that you sent me as well as for the full fledged graph. I am hoping to very soon incorporate these graphs in a buzz. I am thinking on how best to use them. You are wonderful and helpful my friend.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #59

#68
Ketchuper (noun) A person who squirts ketchup on a wedding gown at a wedding; (origin) Deb \ud83d\udc1d Helfrich a wordsmith

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#66
when i read your unfailing and heartfelt comments I realize more and more hkow fortunate I am to belong to this group and community. I am afraid I started to envy myself

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#64
first dear Harvey Lloyd in no way it is the Ansni triology. It is all of you who added wealth to the buzz. I am a compiler. Glad to tell you that sent me the DiSC graphs. I shall you them to formulate a buzz soonest based on our discussions. The ideas that you All contributed must be documented. I am proud of you all.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#63
Harvey Lloyd also used same word.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#62
thank you dearly for your heart-booster this morning Noemi Barrazueta, MBA this morning. You are vergy considerate towards others.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

It is a simple formula dear Edward Lewellen. Apply the WPD Factor. Create wonderment in the staff and then lead with passion and drive. Thank you my friend for your great words. I hsve not considered the video proposal except lately. I shall give it a second thought. I hope that your new book is receiving the attention it deserves. I wonder if people would be interested in reading with all thede news about the hurricanes. I pray fot your safety.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#57
i agree in full with you

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#56
you are absolutely correct Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris. I wrote a buzz on same and showed thar moving around a purpose leads to self-organizing. You are very correct. By chaos here I meant generstion of many ideas and whose clusterring show they are not chatic. Great observation indeed. I shall check the link to my buzz an d share it with you.

Debesh Choudhury

Debesh Choudhury

3 years ago #51

#41
I agree Deb \ud83d\udc1d Helfrich .. That is a good gain of not having a threaded and indented comment-reply system -- community discussion, although there remains a chance of getting repeated replies and counter replies of the same question again and again

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

Well, this whole dynamic you describe is more reminiscent of the honeybee effect, a collaborative effort towards a common goal (even if that goal is not formally defined). The butterfly effect has more to do with chaos dynamics which are not always conducive to some pattern that adds value to the system, even if that pattern is interesting from a scientific perspective. The whole dynamic of the communications around a topic on a SM, be it beBee or some other platform, has a purpose though, even if it's an implicit one. So, even if the butterfly effect can sometimes be observed in the dynamics of this system, if the conversation is disciplined and well coordinated, it can be congruent with the honeybee effect more.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#54
I concur with your comment Lisa Vanderburg is honest to herself and therefore with otherd. She won our hearts as you do too.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #48

#41
Deb \ud83d\udc1d Helfrich You're contributions here are invaluable, you have a great sense of what needs fixing! I read your April buzz: https://www.bebee.com/producer/@deb-helfrich/bee-a-hive-player and you sound out the warning to how to react (or not) to bad behaviour. Sage and lovely as always, Deb!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#52
Cyndi wilkins- you are the flower that made the nectar availabe. Thank you and please tag me when you publish.

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

3 years ago #46

#48
Now just brush aside that 'foam' and take a nice refreshing sip of the delicious nectar the bees have been brewing for you Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee;-)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#50
your sense for the beBee community is incredibly high. Thank you for being straightforward. I like your sense as reflected in your comment and buzzes. I know you better now Preston \ud83d\udc1d Vander Ven

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#41
Deb \ud83d\udc1d Helfrich- you stsnd up to what you advocate. You are coursgeous, mindful and sensible. This buzz is the result of great minds interacting purposefully. All other efforts by detractors shall end up as foam. Truth remsins.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#45
you said it all so clearly And courageously Cyndi wilkins. Y[ur comment is the kaleidoscope. Your energy and widdom are overwhelming.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#46
you turned my light bulb moments as well. You are so considerate John Rylance

John Rylance

John Rylance

3 years ago #41

Ali you certainly know how to turn the tap and release people's light bulb moments.

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

3 years ago #40

Some folks just like to stir the 'poop' pot...it feeds their misery...The graceful responses of the author provide the most powerful impact for the readers...It is a reflection of an author's reserve...giving him/her the upper hand when dealing with derogatory commentating. Unfortunately for the one creating such a stir, a positive response to their negativity does not always douse the flames...In fact, in my experience with most 'trolls' I see that they tend to become even more enraged when you don't take the bait...and that is precisely what it is...a baited hook intended to discredit you. It's a piranha looking for a feeding frenzy...Don't feed the fishes...they will eventually find another nest to infest. Most of us who are a regular positive influence on this amazing network will always have the support of the other bees...Not only here, but I've also seen this cavalry response on LinkedIn with the likes of Sarah Elkins, both of which who are writers of extraordinary influence...Not to mention very talented musicians as well;-) No one will be left hung out to dry when the ripples we create produce a tsunami of support for the soul brave enough to put their thoughts into words with the intention of providing positive insights within their own spheres of influence...There is no ONE way of looking at things...The world is an amazing kaleidoscope of forever changing patterns and experiences where every ripple in the tapestry of time creates it's very own beautiful colors;-)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#40
I appreciate every word of your comment dear Lisa Vanderburg. You have enriched our discussions beyond expectation. I am truly happy to read your comment. I am working on producing a simple graph. I shall try my best to make ie as simple as possible. This is my promise too you

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#39
I am using mobile to respond and is bound to make typos. My previous comment should start reading I am the one...

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

:#39 WSara Jacobovici who is thankful to you and all commentors. I could not resist writing this buzz to document the great ideas mentioned in the comments. I am so relieved that you approve the content.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #36

This is the true art of re-creation, not just repair and restoration, and I for one am just full of praise for all involved to get you to this point that you can work the next step Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee; dude...I can't even begin to get the graphs :) And because I am 'le tired' just want to say I'm happy your here Javier \ud83d\udc1d beBee...this is taking Bebee to a breadth and depth than I could ever have imagined.

Sara Jacobovici

Sara Jacobovici

3 years ago #35

What a great summary and compilation of a very relevant discussion Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee. It is very rewarding to see something come out of the discussions which take place here on beBee; respectful exchanges leading towards suggestions for changes for the better. All the power to you and the readers who contributed. Thanks for the mention Dr. Ali. Much appreciated.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#36
this is a great reference. Thanks for sharing ut Harvey Lloyd

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#35
just by reviewing the possible DISC profiles we may be amazed by their varietis. These are like fingerprints and our authenticity. We accept the gift of our fingerprints so we need to accept our DISC profiles. They are our giftd as you say. We also need to underdtand other profiles to lead with knowledge. The four pillars of Blue 9Ocen Strategy and the four pillars of DISC profiles and I am now looking into new ways of marrying them. I have just thought of a new possibility.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #32

https://www.discprofilecanada.com/what-does-disc-profile-stand-for/ Look at the disc a few paragraphs down and this may add some context to my recent comment.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #31

#30
We are all born with gifts. If could be so bold to state that each DiSC profile is the expression of that gift. Yes I am a high D and i had to learn how to do "I". Generally i am good at influence but my strong suit is leading in face of high risk. This is my strength. I am not a natural I. I need to understand all letters and profiles. This gives me the ability to lead different types, but i can't become another. Nor do i want to return my gift and get someone else's. Leadership harnesses the gifts of humanity to expose their gifts on the rsk. My D can kick into high gear when the risk line becomes the king of the hill playground for profiles battling their POV. This is a spiral to nowhere in creating purpose for action. I call this dogs marking their territory. If we look at the DiSC it's a circle with all of the criteria for successful action. Why would i think that only the D part of the circle is what is needed? In leadership we need the whole circle brought to bare on the risk point. Why would i not bow to someone's gift of influence to speak of our plans? Those who believe their profile is all that is needed live in a very small world.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#33
Honesty in commenting is a necessity and I greatly appreciate yours Pascal Derrien

Pascal Derrien

Pascal Derrien

3 years ago #29

Commenting is a difficult business at least for me, I sometimes opt for the like option only because I have no clear points to make or I don't fully grasp the essence of a theoretical thread :-) I like the visual above though :-)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#31
This is exactly what Harvey Lloyd. I am in this situation you describe in your comment.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#29
The experience is your own and that is what you are sharing here. "Your business is going through a rough patch and major change is needed. How do you introduce the change so each personality adds to the success of the change". I like the idea that we understand the DISC profiles of all people. But, the intriguing idea for me here is throwing purposefully the imbalance by increasing D on the expense of the "ISC" remaining parts. I really need to absorb fully this idea. Can D be an influencer as well? You make me think again.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #26

#24
I would like to claim the thoughts, but can not. I have been in the room where people have spoken and it seems that their communications was omni-behavioral (DiSC) in delivery. I have also been in rooms where the speaker spoke directly from their own behaviour (DiSC). Each had merits but the former was amazing what they did with their audience. I was hooked. It didn't help though that my Myers-Briggs personality Type INTJ is representative of a low percentage of the population. In my early years this manifested into "Doesn't play well with others." In business playing well with others is essential to success. So i had to learn quickly to overcome my very dominate D, Mine is 80%+. In leadership whether you are good or bad at it, you have to own the room when you walk in. You can talk down to all the other personality types by speaking from your own or you can be empathetic and learn the language of other personality types. Many folks understand this to mean i have to have multiple personality disorder to achieve this level of leadership. This is not true. Your business is going through a rough patch and major change is needed. How do you introduce the change so each personality adds to the success of the change. The change or message stays the same but we speak to the personality of the individual to gather their specific momentum from their natural skills. A High S can offer their inputs and suggestions on how to help insure a steadiness within the change paradigm, A High D can offer a front person to lead the charge, A high C can make sure that we are not leaving the reservation with unicorns and balloons. The High I is our spokesperson for the upcoming change.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#26
You are not less so dear Tausif Mundrawala. I am happy to learn from you and all other writers who helped me write this buzz. SOmetimes when we get hurt we do better. Have you experienced this? The comments so far on this buzz shows us how much more we still need to know. The comments of Harvey Lloyd are stretching our minds into different directions. We are the bees now sailing on different direction for the sake of finding better understanding of the topics under discussion. It is so important for us to remember that we truly know little and that the use of I am sure should be practiced progressively less and less.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#23
Even new ideas are opening up for you Harvey Lloyd. I am glad as you "troubled" my mind purposefully, so I am happy you are troubling your mind too. I expect new ideas and better ones to emerge. Keep pondering my friend.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#22
I am sure you realize that you are opening a huge discussion with this comment Harvey Lloyd. You summed up your ideas beautifully in the last line of your comment "Momentum is gained by insuring that each profile heard their piece within the idea". Yes, nobody should be left out. I started to draw rough profiles in my mind and I visualize your point and its succinct relevance to the discussion.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #22

#21
I had hoped this afternoon the chance to work on delineating the creation we have come too. My verbal thoughts this morning are the tornados of thought in prototyping this concept. When we look at any POV we have to establish its origin, hence the profile. This is the easy part. Convincing the different personas to contribute to the risk point with their profile is the difficult part. Being totally off the cuff, D's want to shoot everything, I's want to meet and do power points, S's want to add stabilizers as the boat begins to rock and C's must have all facts and be factual. These are the extremes of the letters when focusing on heightened risk profiles where our instincts have kicked in. Leadership needs all of the mentioned perspectives focused on the placed risk point. Not arguing the positions of each letter against one another. I will vet this a little further, if time permits.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #21

#13
#12 If i might add to this comment and expand on "understanding human behaviour". I have spent a lifetime trying to understand human behaviour as it applies to leadership. I'm not a therapist. But the thought of walking into a room with merely an idea and think that others will follow didn't fair well. SO began to understand that in leadership people followed what "they" understood. Myers-Briggs and Disc offer us an opportunity to communicate more effectively in our leadership. By attempting to understand (empathy) others profiles we can learn their styles of communication and present our ideas more effectively. Our ideas as leaders may be great but without momentum from the team the idea will have a short life expectancy. Momentum is gained by insuring that each profile heard their piece within the idea.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#20
I tell you with all honesty Harvey Lloyd that combining superimposing the DISC profile to the risk graph proved to be the main challenge in writing this post because of lack of data. Your further elaboration on this idea makes a great initiative. Would you be kind enough to draw the graph and I could incorporate it in the buzz to enhance our discussions, with all due credit to you? Honestly, these discussions are adding a complete visual perspective for leaders and managers. I am sure once we add the data points you suggest we shall have even more perspectives being able to see anomalies, extreme points and the the search for their root causes. The great suggestion to draw a graph with D and I as its Y and Z axises is deeply smart. The reasoning you give "The S and C are implied throughout the graph and the leader would need to insure that these variables, and the folks with this as their strong suite, be able to input" is worthy of deep consideration. You are giving a totally new approach to understanding and employing the DISC Profile Graph. So much to think about and the discovery journey has a new skin now.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #19

From a verbal description you created the graph perfectly. Thanks for the mention and your expansion of the thoughts. Introducing the DiSC profile to the graph we would need to add three data points. The natural data point of where i would like everyone else to be on the issue because of my profile. The second is the more complicated data point. The second points require us to understand everyone else's natural data points on the graph. I say this generally. Merely for the point that these datapoints will need to focus wherever the risk data point is located. Not abandoning their own profile but rather applying their profile at the point of interest and understanding. The third data point is even more subjective but would require the team to place on the diagonal the data point setting the risk value. If we could also express the X axis as "D" all the way to the right and "I" all the way to the left. The S and C are implied throughout the graph and the leader would need to insure that these variables, and the folks with this as their strong suite, be able to input. With low risk we need not seed control but rather influence as time is on our side. As we move to the right of the diagonal though the need for control or dominance grows as time is an emerging factor. I would also contend that sustaining the S/C components of the developing action is more difficult as we move to the right. Given these emerging variables i would surmise that the graph would assist us in determining the level and engagement of leadership within the setting. Sometimes if we can demonstrate to the team the risk profile and the communications styles needed we may head off the misunderstanding often accompanying risk from different views being vetted.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#15
Absolutely and you are correct Devesh \ud83d\udc1d Bhatt. Visuals align our thinking> We need more of them.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#16
In the sense that negative comments means opposing comments with different perspectives is most welcome. People in one hive may share many similar views. It is the exposure to differing vies that create the real opportunities for merging the opposites into something new. I agree with you totally on this. if we "breathe" the same air we shall not have fresh ideas. It is as simple as this. I here refer to the comments of Harvey Lloyd that comments should serve the purpose of a discussion. This is the only alignment that is required. Thank you again for proving me with the opportunity to explain more.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#14
Good point Debesh Choudhury. I concern here was to tell the "story" of how ideas developed. It is a brainstorming-like discussion and the ideas those discussions blossomed. But, you point is relevant.

Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

3 years ago #15

lovely analysis sir Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee! enjoyed read and shared. thank you for the share.i guess, comments are triggered in accordance to the contents and its veracity, though relative, yet having the ingredients to invoke one to make comment. it may not always align with the view of the contributors, but, certainly having the elements even to induce one to make negative comment. but, i guess, the negative is also not entirely negative, it equally having the potentials to even change the vision of the contributors, guiding to make even more prolific contents. however, nice insight indeed as usual sir.

Devesh 🐝 Bhatt

Devesh 🐝 Bhatt

3 years ago #14

This could become a real good corelational graphic. Nice read.

Debesh Choudhury

Debesh Choudhury

3 years ago #13

Thanks Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee for the buzz .. Now let me write a plain fact: The commenting application of beBee MUST improve! I can't see which reply is for which comment! In other words, I can't make out which one is a comment and which one is a reply! CC: Javier \ud83d\udc1d beBee, Can the comment and the replies follow a thread?

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#12
First, I am deeply grateful to your formidable contribution to the discussion dear Yolanda \u00c1vila M\u00e1rquez. I felt the need to compile our discussions and the conclusions we arrived at. This buzz isn't mine; it is the outcome of combined minds working together towards a purpose of understanding human behavior.

Javier 🐝 CR

Javier 🐝 CR

3 years ago #11

#10
thanks Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#9
Thank you Javier \ud83d\udc1d beBee and the choice to remove a comment is part of the filtering system as suggested by the writers of comments who really defined the concept of this system.

Javier 🐝 CR

Javier 🐝 CR

3 years ago #9

thanks Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee ! about a "beBee Filtering System" to deal with irrelevant comments, don't worry, we are working on it. Any writer should be able to remove an irrelevant comment from his content. We need to avoid spam and irrelevant/disturbing comments from our content.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#7
This is what I call The "Comments Butterfly Effect". I wanted to show by example Claire L Cardwell what we can do if we respect each other how our minds intertwine to produce new ideas. The buzz discusses the use of an advanced "beBee Filtering System" to deal with irrelevant comments. Truly, they expanded my possibilities. This is what lasts at the end of the day. I understand better now and I feel more educated. I should be expecting the extremes. Just to show by example the difference between somebody on LI who read one of my buzzes only by his own words. He commented that all my posts are vacuous. In the other end, @Doan HeartBeats on LI shared one of my buzzes and commented by writing the following. "Ali Anani, PhD You deserve the mention and credits. Because of you my curious mind and heart has exponentially grown. You are a most gracious writer and you are most qualified to be one of the selected". In a subsequent comment he wrote "Ali Anani, PhD Some people can't appreciate (jealous? ) what you are sharing. You know in your heart that you have a positive impact. I understand that feedback can improve people's skills/ attitude. But don't let this person negatively influence your flow/ buzz in life. He is not worth your time (anymore). You are a great example and a true Linkedinfluencer. Your LinkedIn shares/ 'buzzes' and your kind/ graceful responses are very much appreciated". These comments place huge responsibility on me because I must keep the faith those people have in me; the risk is losing their faith if I don't. There is a latent risk even in compliments.

Claire L Cardwell

Claire L Cardwell

3 years ago #7

Thanks for this buzz - Ali Anani - for some reason I couldn't tag you. I think that people have a right to disagree with your philosophy or what your buzz is about, this leads to a healthy and interesting debate. However when commentary degenerates into insults or bullying then it's time to step in. I haven't read your previous three buzzes yet - just about to check them out!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

I thank Milos Djukic for sharing the buzz. Greatly appreciated

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Yolanda \u00c1vila M\u00e1rquez

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The following names are mentioned in this buzz in the order of their mention: Harvey Lloyd

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Javier \ud83d\udc1d beBee- I hope you like the idea of BeBee Filtering System as outlined in the buzz. A request for you. Please add Twitter to the share options. I keep forgetting the hashtag to make meaningful sharing to Twitter.

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