When you gain look for what you lose

When you gain look for what you lose

I believe that one of the most disturbing aspects of us is our tendency to look for what we lose when we gain. Likewise; not searching for what we gain when we lose. This puts us out of balance and leads to the distortion of our lives.

The motive for writing this buzz resulted from reading the buzz of Jerry Fletcher today titled β€œThe Overlooked Dimension”. To keep things simple, we tend to see the relationship of two variable in a 2-D graph. We gain simplicity, but we miss understanding. If we use 3-D graph we gain better insights, but we lose simplicity. The balance of opposites is running under the surface and away from direct observation.

History is full of examples. Our lives have may evidences to show this is the case where one event sends us out of our balance and we lose. When we are happy we forget that the roots of sadness are growing beneath the surface. We see the tree growing, but we overlook what is going with the roots and the root of problems as well.

When we are happy we forget that the roots of sadness are growing beneath the surface.Β  This leads to the disruption of our lives, the loss of our resilience and the depletion of our self-confidence.

β€œWhen we are happy we forget that the roots of sadness are growing beneath the surface”
Ali Anani

We lose jobs and become gloomy, desperate and reach depression. We forget what we gain as we have more time to think of new opportunities to connect with our friends, to strengthen family ties and search for better opportunities. We sink in despair and fail to see the light of the emerging opportunities. When we make profits fast we become greedy and fail to see the new risks till they grow and we end up losing our wealth. You probably heard of β€œThe 72 Rule”. It states that you may double your wealth by dividing 72 over the percentage of the growth of your profits. This happens in the stock market. Some markets allow for 15% of daily profits. So, if you start investing USD 1000 the amount shall double to USD 2000 over 72 divided by 15%. In about five days you double your investment. If the market keeps performing then your investment shall double again in almost five days. Wow! As you see your capital growing and greed becomes a prominent factor. Soon, the market collapses and your capital id depleted. Why? Because we lose balance eyeing profits with disregard to risks.

The social cycles over centuries hasn’t changed. Creative people generate profitable ideas to be exploited by the alert investors. Soon, those investors accumulate wealth and 20% of the people own 80% of the wealth. The result is destabilization of the society and riots start. The rule of force becomes the dominant force to control rioters leading to the disruption of the society and to the emergence of new social order. When 20% of people own 80% of the wealth it means the creation of asymmetrical voids in the structure of the society. The roots begin to grow in these voids and lead the cracking of society.

The complexity of our lives relates to our tendencies to go the extremes and losing insight of goes on under the surface. Let me take for example our societies. People are getting more connected. This gain increased degree of connection means that societies may become less agile because of their β€œheavy” structure and become more fragile. When there is a rising wave, look for the sinking wave.

When there is a rising wave, look for the sinking wave
Ali Anani

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Connectedness increases and resilience decreases and vice versa. When connectedness reaches the top of the wave, resilience reaches its bottom.

This is like the prey-predator system. When the predators reach their maximum, the preys reach their lowest level. Too many predators and few preys. Soon, the predators shall have no preys to feed on and they die. If we consider connectedness as the predator then the resilience is the prey which is eaten by the predator. We can plot these two variables on a 2-D graph, but then we lose insights for simplicity.

Resilience decreases with wealth accumulation, as I explained above and is evidenced from the 72 Rule and the four society cycles. When wealth is in the hands of the 20% of population, the resilience also goes down.

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Now, we have three variables: connectedness, resilience and capital. To show their interactions we put them on 3-D graph to reflect their interactions. The waves merge to produce the Adaptive Cycle of all complex systems.

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Going back to the social cycles, the exploitation of creative business ideas by few sharp investors lead to the accumulation of wealth in few hands. No more preys for the predators. Conservation initiates and the deprived people riot and release their anger. This leads to the disruption of the societal structure and reorganization of the society.

We all need to learn our lessons. Big companies that captured a huge share of the market lost their adaptability resilience and adaptability to change. They became too heavy to move. This led to many of them turning into dinosaurs. People with inflated pride should be careful for the sinking pride of others will allow the hidden part of the wave to emerge and turn the pride into despair.

Either we keep our balance or will be disrupted by our blindness to the arriving waves.


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Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#71
Fay Vietmeier I have to make a correction- the post that had 34000 views had 69 comments. I had in mind another post. The post with 34000 views is: Creativity Sweet Zone https://www.bebee.com/producer/@ali-anani/creativity-sweet-zone Yes, I mentioned the Ideas Stock Market in a comment (I don't remember where), but that time the idea was still very crude.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #56

#69
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee ... this bee has the memory of an elephant ;~) I remember the "Ideas Stock Market from a prior post ... maybe it was in your comments but I remember LIKING it very much I am glad that you "missed" my presence ... comments ;~) ... I was away for the day and off the bebee Well-spring patio ;~) Which post had (300) comments ? Yes: Comments reveal far more than what we think. "From the overflow of the heart ... the mouth speaks" ~ Matthew 12

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#68
Fay Vietmeier I forgot to answer your question.That post got slightly more than (100) comments.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#68
Dear Fay Vietmeier Not to read a comment by you for two days is the least pleasing experience for me. Now, that you comment my dear inspiration with such a heart-lifting comment is turning the displeasure to pleasure. I wish to read a comment by you on my last post. Again, the disengagement is clear on beBee, but not on LinkedIn where the post is enjoying great feedback. https://www.bebee.com/producer/@ali-anani/layering-of-our-thoughts I have finished the writing of a post and the draft of a second one. These two posts are daring with their ideas. The first one I intend to publish next Monday. It has the title of "Ideas Stock Market:, In it I dare to present very daring ideas. One idea is why comments and ideas on social platform look like being traded on a stock market with so many paradoxes and biases appearing. Are comments rational? I answer this question in the post. Comments reveal far more than what we think.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #53

#67
M.O.M W.O.W. ... that is very validating my dear Professor I think I remember you questioning that number of views (34,000) can't remember which post did the same post get (300 ) comments ? ... you are an inspiration ...

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#66
Fay Vietmeier Your observation is right. One of my posts exceeded (34,000) views. I have more than (300) comments on one of my posts. Sadly, engagement is decreasing on beBee. I wish beBee would explain. I add my voice to what you said about Harvey Lloyd. We miss greatly his valuable contributions.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #51

#65
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee I could see in this post Harvey's rich contributions ... to this post Truly he is one of "the best of bees" Harvey Lloyd And W.O.W. and M.O.M. almost 9K views here I'm not sure if that reflects ... bees no longer engaged ... less engaged ? ... social media burnout ? But I notice it is the same bees who are engaged and richly comment ;~)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#64
Fay Vietmeier My dear co-author- you doubled my joy. First, by visiting a post that I published a while ago. Second- for appreciating and highlighting the beautiful comment of our friend Harvey Lloyd. This makes me wonder what he is busy these days with for I don't see his comments recently. It is to tell him Harvey... we miss you.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #49

#62
Harvey Lloyd So glad I caught the wisdom you shared within ... your message to Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee The entire message ... so excellent Harvey ... concluding: With in the higher fruits of life we find meaning, not just existence. WOW ;~)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#62
Thank you Roberto De la Cruz Utria. Some people want to live the now for the future is difficult to forecast. However; we may imagine different scenarios for the future and prepare for the now, or we could invent the future as Steve Jobs did.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#60
To the same degree I value your comments dear Tausif Mundrawala. Thank you

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#58
This is truly a genius comment dear Tausif Mundrawala. You wrote "I think big companies should work in clusters by creating as many sub brands as possible in order to cater the needs of customers, shareholders and all the employees working with the created empire". This is exactly why banks who offer more than two hundred options to customers discovered that in reality they make life complex for both the employees and customers. So, they reverted to modular systems or cluster systems so that similar offers may belong to the same cluster and thus reduce complexity. I am in full agreement with your comment my friend. By the way- thank you for sharing this buzz, which took genuine effort to produce.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#56
Thank you dear Tausif Mundrawala. It is interesting that it was an Indian who proposed the four social cycles. The law of social cycle is a social cycle theory developed by Prabhat Ranjan Sarkar. You are wright because in the wealth accumulation only very few people gather wealth and the Pareto Rule establishes itself. The few have the majority of health. This is unstable situation as poor people start revolting leading to the enforcement of law. After this social rearrangement takes place. What you say in your comment is in line with the four phases cycle. I do appreciate your mind.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#54
I wonder why I was also denied the opportunity to read your soul-boosting comment dear Clau Valerio

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#52
Resilience is in the variety. The resilience capacity is based on variety. Somebody might ask "so, why don't we go by the opinion of the 20&?" My answer is first we need to diversify and then make sure that we go with the active majority. Bees do it well when selecting a new location. The scouting bees identify many candidate sites and then they have a waggle dance to select the optimal location. We need to ride the wave of nature.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #42

#51
β€œWhen the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.” Benjamin Franklin Democracy is about the group and the ideas that they can bring forward to grow society. The twist is when the group is ruled over the individual. This is the inflection point that wars begin. Groups must recognise that they can become a vacuum or echo chamber. This is the risk. Diversity is the answer to preventing this very human tribalism tyranny. We need opposing thoughts and views so that we may forge great ideas not just ideas. Opposition though, is tough to hear. I believe the videos and thoughts shared is a way to approach the opposition and have them join a success oriented critique. I agree with Pareto's view but i think we tend to think of the rule in isolation. The distribution is based on level of need within the group. I also believe that the twenty percent change as needs change. In other words members of the 80% step up to the call of need when their confidence and skills permit. The battle within the rule seems to stem from Conscientiousness and Openness. In leadership we need both of these perspectives to insure success. But balance is difficult to maintain so we see the ebb and flow of the two paradigms within the 20%. I would submit that if we inventoried the people within the 20% it is changing over time. Most likely from within.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Your comment made a comment emerge in my mind. Is democracy a worthy democracy? Democracy is to abide by the opinion of the majority. This is negating with the Pareto Rule that the few (20%) make the most effect (80%). How come we go by the numbers and not the impact? Groupthink may result in a majority that is superficial. People may choose to go with the majority for a host of reasons such as fear of rejection and isolation and so an not to appear odd. The attraction and pulling power of the majority might be a meaningless approach to democracy. This is a paradox that is worthy of looking into. I wonder what you think Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #40

#48
My last six months have been a total immersion in the dynamics of groups and has lead me to the individual and their narrative. Specifically how the narrative of what i now see as sacred truths that they carry. I also identified within a lengthy review how we need a level of tribalism and security within the tribe. But this can become acute and self destructive if we are not open to new concepts and ideas. Today's social media allow us the contact to display our context in varying ways. But most importantly i believe i have learned that it is the sacred truths, not shared, but identified through context where you become defensive. The battle of the undiscussed sacred truths between groups is the new norm. The two videos(And a lot more research) helped me understand that our communication within this new paradigm must change. We do need to focus on the individual and stop media from trying to group us under their needs for money, power or politics.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#47
Thank you for your sharing the buzz Harvey Lloyd. More, I thank you for the invitation to get immersed in the discussions here, in which you are playing a pivotal role.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#46
I have just watched the two videos you recommended for me (one in your comment and the other in your private message). I enjoyed them immensely. The videos and your comment will urge me to change the theme of my next buzz. I want to discuss now how an individual develops and then interacts with others and then the resulting community interacts with the world. I have a rather strong belief now that unless the individual is interacting well with self he/she shall not interact well with the group or community and the emerging community shall fail to interact well with its ecosystem. The interactions of individuals far results in the group interaction and so rather than try to improve the group culture, which is an emerging one and therefore uncontrollable, to enhancing the capacities of the individual. I believe corrccting societal issues may be only achieved by upgrading the individual.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #37

Self awareness levels is one of the virtues that seems to attach to success as we look through history. Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee is exposing us to one part of this discussion as we look into our own footprint within success. Come join, your thoughts may be the catalyst for change and new thought.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #36

#44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SOQduoLgRw The topic you are discussing here is a major issue within our systems social responsibility. The video and the man presenting is focused on this issue. We are in a existential crisis according to his research. The video can speak for itself. With further reading and review the most interesting fact coming from this discussion and research is that we are hardwired to be religious. Not the religion we would subscribe to the organized religions of the world. But rather we are all religious as we stand upon sacred truths within our metaphysical existence. Our ancestors were aware of this phenomenologically not necessarily biologically. Humans have the innate ability to form groups around these sacred truths. Religion is the gathering of groups to a common set of sacred truths that allows them to prosper through truth and trust. When we divide ourselves into smaller groups with desperate sacred truths, we then begin to have fractious debate in attempt to shut the other side down. If one side wins we all lose. The irony of this is the sciences have pitted themselves against this thought process and the biology of the human. This process has been detrimental to society as we have forgotten, that which is sacred will cause wars. Maybe our conversations, as i sense you are directing us to, should be focused on what is sacred within mankind.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Thank you Javier \ud83d\udc1d beBee for sharing this close to my heart buzz with your followers. Greatly appreciated

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#43
The path of least resistance appeals to people. Collecting the low-hanging fruits is the path of least resistance. I agree with you Harvey Lloyd that this path is devoid of challenges and offers little opportunities for growth, learning and developing. It seems that this is the human comfort zone. May be our ancestors didn't have the luxury of having a comfort zone. They worked hard to create one for us. But, again this is the path to stay where we are. No advancement and we remain lacking preparedness to face emerging and unenexpected challenges. This is risky in our times. Because we interact easily on a global level new challenges shall emerge and we then shall face the problems of how to deal with them.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #33

An excerpt from a private communications with Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Our ancestors were very smart people. At a time when mere existence was a hard job they made time to understand life. The Forest, Apple Grove and the farming metaphors are all related to the ancestral story of the "Tortoise and the Hare". Our ancestors did everything by hand and practiced delayed gratification. They were the tortoise. They toiled in the labor of growing, harvesting and bringing to market various goods and services. The generations of today go to the supermarket with no realization of the producer nor the toil. The "Hare". Our ancestors new about life and we have become detached from these self evident truths they new. We float upon their wisdom. The ship is developing holes in the bottom as we search for these wise truths within a detached society. A apple tree takes five years before it begins to bare fruit. Imagine growing these while still requiring food for today. During this time trees require pruning, grove maintenance and damage control. Why is it that we give up on the best apple at the top of the tree for the ease of picking the lowest hanging? Surly i can walk through and pick the low hanging apples that are convenient, but in order to be productive with all the effort placed in arriving at the harvest, we must pick them all. Unfortunately the low hanging apples are considered enough today and the heavy lifting is not done to get the higher more difficult fruits. We have learned to live in mediocrity of existence. Many of the ancient stories such as the one mentioned warn us of this attitude. With in the higher fruits of life we find meaning, not just existence.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #32

#41
It is the question you ask, ..."and then what?" This question is always predicated on the launch point. Do we launch from the vantage point of identity politics or the divinity of the individual? We will launch into the next epoch of humanity, this is guaranteed. Time is the physical property that insures we do not rest within a single epoch, it is the arbiter of our journey. My hope is that mankind will find its way back to the origins of life and its implicit meaning of the individual.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#40
In my next buzz I shall refer to the tree metaphor and how it relates to your comment. I only want to state here that even though, as proven by research, fungi threads form networks of hubs and nodes. The hubs take care of the small hubs, especially akin hubs, to supply them with nutrients and information. The big hubs take care of the small hubs. Likewise; trees do. The symbiotic relationship between the the fungal network and the trees network is outstanding. I consider the media today as equivalent to the fungal network. It provides information to the individuals and to the hubs, which in turn circulate this information to the small societal hubs. The big serves the small and not use his strength to oppress the small or weak party. This ties up well with your writing "It is at this point of action where the media and society coalesce into a great society". If the bug groups act selfishly, then our societies disintegrate. The wealth in power, money or information is circulated throughout the societal body; if not then we shall keep moving away to a state of far from equilibrium. And then what?

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #30

#23
If we untie from the lexicons of media and look at the metaphor we can understand that media has suggested that we are either or. This style of identity politics separates us not just into groups but from our own selves. Although i agree that stepping back and observing existence is a grand idea, in the end this must turn to individual action. That action that brings meaning to our lives. It is at this point of action where the media and society coalesce into a great society. However today we find ourselves at the gate where the gatekeepers are marshaling us into groups. Wildebeest or Lioness. Should you choose a third alternative then you are ostracized by both. How did these gatekeepers get to power over such an intelligent society? Wealth is something that i do not rail against or for. Wealth is fleeting. Sure any individual may show up in the wealthy column but then the defense of wealth begins. Entropy. This assures me that more and more energy will be required to maintain this wealth as chaos begins. This level of physics crosses over to humanity. Wealth is not the issue but greed is. The question is do you want government to deal with greed or the free market? We have wealthy folks who have committed their lives to helping others. We also have greedy wealthy people who want to be the only wealthy people. I subscribe to the open hand theory. Money comes and goes and we live within that paradigm. I cant place more money in my pocket by stealing from someone else. I must go forth and create to find my own wealth. I am an individual with the freedom of choice, no matter where i find myself.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #29

#22
I find the premise of the comments in line with what we see happening in our world today. If we take the comments and step back and look at through the lens of the individual. The predator/prey metaphor or the health system/medic outcomes we get an entirely different story line. Jimbo lived a very unhealthy life style and now finds himself in crisis, the medic with all their skills and latest technology cant put humpty dumpty back together. Marilyn has lived a life of health and service to mankind and the health issues that she faces are of old age or maybe some other health crisis but the outlook for her is better because of lifestyle, beliefs. The medic has a better chance of understanding, and engaging with a return to health for Marilyn. Betty, the medic, is a human who has a family life crisis and other issues that she carries within laying out her skill set when helping Jimbo and Marilyn. I am rejecting the identity groupings that seem to allow for generalization of an individual human. We have Betty who is a healthcare provider that is her skill set, she is also human has aspirations and makes choices throughout her day. Some days she makes great decisions and others she just cant seem to collect her thoughts. Again, she is human. Identity politics has invaded our paradigm much as it was in the 50'/60's here in the US. I thought we had learned our lessons. We cant identify humans into groups then glorify or butcher them. Betty is my hero, she paid a price of education, and amidst finding her life meaning she helps me in mine. Maybe she helps even though i have made bad choices. The health system, financial systems and other aspects of creating wealth/health are where my neighbors work. These folks have names aspirations and needs that i want to make sure a path exists for their efforts.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#35
Quite interesting and challenging comment John Rylance. May be you have your thoughts on situational leadership, situation analysis in strategy planning and all activities that relate to discussing why we are where we are. Thank you for a very challenging comment.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#36
Thank you for commenting and sharing the buzz Renoy George. The 72 Rule is well-known and it works till 20%, but afterwards it deviates.

John Rylance

John Rylance

3 years ago #26

In life you win some, you lose some, occasionally you have an honourable draw. Too much time is spent analysing the ebb and flow of successes and failures. We need to move on build, regroup, accept the past, learn quickly from the present and embrace the future, whatever it's form. I believe to much time is spent (wasted) in over analysis of situations.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#32
You are a good surfer Preston \ud83d\udc1d Vander Ven

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#31
I do thank you Franci\ud83d\udc1dEugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador for sharing the buzz. I have noticed in the stock markets that profitable investors accumulate profits with disregard to the majority of investors who are losing their investment. They see the rising wave of profits ignoring the sinking wave of loss. The result is that many stock markets wrecked or, volumes of investments decreased to a very low level. I also thank you for sharing the buzz.

Franci 🐝Eugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador

Love your quote Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee - "When there is a rising wave, look for the sinking wave". IMO, when we become complacent and live by habit rather than by observation and application, we're stifling our creativity and diluting our productivity. Balance is important because even though habits may help us at a given moment, they may be disruptive to our future.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#29
For simplicity, laziness or falling in the habits attractor the machine metaphor has not evolved and still prevails in its purely mechanical description. So, as you said, "we individually choose the mechanical as lazily as we take milk out of a fridge or turn on a tap". I believe this is true and we need to emerge anew from the habitual thinking.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

3 years ago #21

#28
I think we need to be careful about the machine metaphor because we are machines and the anatomical drawings of Leonardo Da Vinci are as brilliant about our human form as is his innovations that are mechanical. It is more the case IMHO that we individually choose the mechanical as lazily as we take milk out of a fridge or turn on a tap - all mechanical aspects of modern day existence - that if removed would make us feel the true reality of nature again. Sometimes natural is not all it is portrayed to be, so we must evolve recognizing the reality of machines, if not the beauty of human machinery that so fascinated Da Vinci - but we don't possess a renaissance mind because it is considered a luxury, an aspect of existence for people who "have too much time on their hands" - and who says to me that "I have too much time on my hands" - but people who observe time in its most mechanical form. In terms of emergence, a nice way of lay people introducing themselves to it are resources such as Peggy Hoffman's introductory chapter in emergence http://peggyholman.com/papers/engaging-emergence/engaging-emergence-table-of-contents/part-i-the-nature-of-emergence/chapter-1-what-is-emergence/ At this point your title "When you gain look for what you lose" find is actual compass - and I agree absolutely and vehemently that we are all in need of that compass - recognizing at the heart of even a compass exists that same mechanism that Da Vinci saw one way but most of us living today, totally another way.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#27
Exactly and the machine metaphor is still prevailing even in the medical sector

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

3 years ago #19

#24
Sometimes I hear people talk about his in terms of mindful vs. mindless but as a society we are educated around resource but yet we are not resourceful, indeed in situations like health or education people end up acting like they are resourceless, simply demanding that they have the right to a resource and thus turning the doctor or teacher into a product. This is expected because we are not focused on health or education but on use of resource (hence we talk in terms of human capital rather than humanity, of human resources rather than human beings).

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

3 years ago #18

#24
Sometimes I hear people talk about his in terms of mindful vs. mindless but as a society we are educated around resource but yet we are not resourceful, indeed in situations like health or education people end up acting like they are resourceless, simply demanding that they have the right to a resource and thus turning the doctor or teacher into a product. This is expected because we are not focused on health or education but on use of resource (hence we talk in terms of human capital rather than humanity, of human resources rather than human beings.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#22
I just googled the term "emerging from emergency". The topic captured my attention. For example, a post on "Challenging and Emerging Conditions in Emergency Medicine" https://www.annemergmed.com/article/S0196-0644(11)01661-1/fulltext?code=ymem-site is in line with your splendid comment. Part of the abstract reads " Yet in daily practice, we face some complex cases that make us stop and reconsider our treatment plan. Examples of these include patients with renal failure, HIV, and surgery for obesity. Challenging and Emerging Conditions in Emergency Medicine is an interesting read geared toward practicing emergency physicians. Its goal is to review patient populations and disease processes that have recently been recognized, as well as therapies that are novel because of recent advances in medicine. Topics include those that may have been covered in training but with limited detail or that have changed dramatically because of the progression of science". As I mentioned in my previous response to your comment CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit- novel solutions are required.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#22
Even though your comment CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit I couldn't resist commenting on it. I love your phrase "emerges in an emergency". Systems no matter what seek balance and an emergency state is far from balance. Yes, we tend to blame the medical staff, but sometimes the situation they handle is beyond control and calls for creative approaches. Under stress they are expected to do so. Truly, the medical staff become the prey. We know of relatives of patients who beat up the medical staff. It happens.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

3 years ago #15

#10
Harvey Lloyd we often note the stereotypical lion hunting the stereotypical wildebeest - and more than the reality that lion hunts end in more failure than success, the ability to fight back is not the norm we dwell on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSlmRBvFaic That is the problem that comes with trying to model existence rather than sitting back and observing existence for what it is - which is a far more unpredictable reality than we can possibly model. The chief reason we model is because a few that have greater wealth ensures our fixation towards success and trying to increase the odds of success. The successful human being is a wilderbeest that has become too powerful and rich to become food - after all what is a consumer if that consumption was not food/fuel?

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

3 years ago #14

#4
One thing I like to remind myself Harvey Lloyd that when we have reached a state of emergency, that the root word of emergency is emergence. We don't see it as emergence because we are focused on the pain involved in any type of emergency - but great doctors and surgeons are looking exactly at what is emerging in an emergency, otherwise they would lose control and become another form of pain to the emergency - and medical people know that this is not conducive to saving lives. The irony here is that if the medic saves a life then we generally assume that they are doing their job, but if they are unable to do so, we become predators to the health system and medical professionals become the prey. I wish we could think bigger and more wisely in a time of emergency but for you and I, we already sit on a higher ground of appreciation of what emerges in an emergency.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#20
You nailed the problem by writing "The question is how will we get there. Mans evolution since the enlightenment has been very challenging when we pressed to far from reality". Being far in reality equals to saying far from equilibrium. Can humans do much in this state? Yes, if they undergo disruptive thinking to self-organize in a more efficient form.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #12

#12
In problem solving it becomes more important that we identify the problem specifically. In the predator prey analagy we can look at this from an aggressor victim perspective. Staying with this train of thought we should then eliminate the lioness and therefore releasing the victim. This sounds ridiculous until we bring it to the US and humans. We have the problems, clearly. But we are going about it by creating safe havens of no aggression. We are attempting to kill off anything that may seem to be remotely aggressive. I, like everyone else, would like to live in utopia. But pretending that aggression can be eliminated and then utopia would start is not a reasonable solution to any problem. One day these publications will be publishing the fundamentals again. The question is how will we get there. Mans evolution since the enlightenment has been very challenging when we pressed to far from reality. My hope is we will catch ourselves without having to go to extremes to sort out our misgivings.

Jerry Fletcher

Jerry Fletcher

3 years ago #11

Thanks Ali. It is nice to have inspired you and see the power of beginning a conversation.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#14
Very interesting video and reflects the reality of illusion (paradox) in seeing 2-D as 3-D. I am sure marketers have a way to use this to their advantage, I greatly appreciate your comment Bill King. I "smell" you are writing a buzz on this illusion.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#11
You are a poet as well Oswaldo Enrique Diaz Delgado

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#10
May be to ease discussion we separate order and chaos when in fact they are "fused" together. Like we separate day and night just to describe their differences. Yes, the predator and the prey want to survive. But, there are other modes of survival such as the symbiotic relationship between trees and fungi. We may our short-nearsightedness drive us to conflict than finding symbiotic relationships. I do greatly appreciate your comment and the great insights it provides. I wonder how many of the reputed publications would need reviewing in light of your comment.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #7

#5
When we see wealth as the opposite of poverty then we begin to breakdown according to natural order. The lioness would be considered the wealthiest of the land with their cunning skills, speed, while the prey would be considered the poorest. But this is not the case. It is an Eco-system where each finds its place in environments. I cant give the wildebeast claws, speed and other attributes whereby it's DNA is altered to only focus on the lioness. It would not be the wildebeest anymore. This is not to excuse poor social order but rather to focus us within the chaos order structure so that each has the tools to survive the process. Not create the victim aggressor model we see. The lion is neither victim nor aggressor it is merely attempting to survive within a chaotic landscape that order is typically just out of reach. We must all seek our own version of success given the tools we have. I am not so sure we would enjoy a world where chaos has been eliminated. It would be a mechanized world of generally accepted outcomes with no creative thought beyond the necessary. Certainly we would all like our environment to be 100% complimentary to our life. Navigating the challenges is what makes life invigorating and i would posit that success would not be that, if failure was not a part of the chaos.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#7
Oswaldo Enrique Diaz Delgado- I love this quote from your comment "since life without dreams or purposes would not make any sense. Fate exists and you can also allocate what you want to build, allow yourself to want and motivate and motivate...". You are a philosopher and a A graduate from the University of Life

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#4
yes, you are spot on Harvey Lloyd. When we don't see the co-existence of opposites we tend to swing to the far end and in a state of far from equilibrium. This state is tense and to to release tension either the system disintegrates, or disrupt the structure into an organized one. Humans tend to forget this fact. When they are happy they go to the extreme. When they are sad they go to the opposite extreme. But there is no happiness without sadness and there is no shadow without an object. In certain cases we don't see the shadow, but it doesn't mean it is not there. We experience the opposites when our expectations drop and get disappointed. When we get rich we forget poverty. This leads to living far from reality.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #4

The predator prey contradiction from a human perspective is a challenging one when we review the goals of each. We often show the lioness in the heat of the day, thin hungry and in need of food. Our senses are then shown the failed attempts at securing food. Or maybe the opposite where the hunt was successful. From the preys perspective we are shown that they are ever vigilant about the lioness and other dangers. When we transfer this concept into humanity we often leave behind a very important element. The nature of things. We draw conclusions along the line of the predator or prey to make points and analogies. This natural order recognizes that chaos and order are inseparable. It would be nice to live within a world where predators did not exist. I sense it is a worthy goal to work towards, but its not reality. In reading your views here i recognized that we see the two conditions as dichotomy's in-lieu of natural occurrences. If chaos exists then something must be wrong, if order exists then we are successful. I would imagine that this dichotomy presents us all with cognitive dissonance as we pursue our success. When we accept that chaos is part of the success then chaos is not seen as failure but as part of the paradigm of just living. I believe this is what the true nature of the predator prey natural world is attempting to tell us. Great thoughts and display of understanding.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#2
I thank you dear Debasish Majumder. The best answer is a visual answer. SO, play with the simulation in the link below and you shall see by the naked eye what happens if there are predators and no preys. Thank you for your great question and sharing the buzz. http://www.phschool.com/atschool/phbio/active_art/predator_prey_simulation/

Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

3 years ago #2

i wonder what will happen where there will only predators, no prey! can Artificial Intelligence be the right contender to human? however, wonderful insight sir Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee! enjoyed read and shared. thank you for the buzz sir.

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