Self and Social Reflections

Self and Social Reflections

There are so many people talking about the need to do self-reflection by the end of the year to judge things and correct for whatever deems necessary. I questioned the value of self-reflection if the person who is doing it is cracked or passing through shattered time and what reflections he/she gets are the resultant of so many shattered tiny mirrors that the summation of these reflections will fail to reflect the original version of self.

This is a chaotic state. This chaos increases if we tend to compare our self-reflection with those based on social reflections. Each person in a society is different and might give a different reflection than others. Not only that because those mirrors of reflections will give different number of images, depending on how we place them and at what angles. The social reflection isnโ€™t homogeneous. This is like having so many different mirrors giving different reflections of the same individual. A chaotic reflection shall result.

Harvey Lloyd commented recently and wrote โ€œIf I save something or somebody, i will be a good person, Right? The self-interest paradigm is driven by the need to receive social reflection that I am good. I have now understanding of the definition of good except as I have defined itโ€. My question is that if I am in a chaotic state and I receive the needed, but chaotic, social reflections what will be the result? I call this the โ€œspaghetti of reflectionsโ€ that might lead us to more darkness.

In a private message Harvey wrote to me what I summarize in the image below with important key points highlighted:

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This led me to wonder if social reflections are not kaleidoscope-like. In this scope mirrors are fixed and we get different images because the reflecting glasses filling the kaleidoscope are rotated and change positions. We get different images each time we look through this scope. But this scope gives nice images the way it is arranged. Can social and chaotic social reflections give a nice image of self?

A cracked person, but not completely broken, is like a cracked mirror. It doesnโ€™t reflect all the light as it allows parts of it to penetrate the mirror body. We humans are like an โ€œiceberg mirrorโ€ what reflections we get from the surface maynโ€™t be the same as those we get from the body. This point was raised by Jim Murray in a recent post. He used this image in his post, which I reproduce here for it fits well with the content of this post.

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Do we need social reflections, or better be authentic and depend on the reflections of our authenticity? Or, do we need both? Your reflections shall be highly evaluated.


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Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

1 year ago #108

There is no passion to be found playing small - in settling for a life that is less than the one you are capable of living. Nelson Mandela

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#111
You highlight a great issue related to what is known as neuron mirrors in our brains and there are so many of these mirrors. What we see others doing is a reflection of what we do whether we realize it or not. You also bring to our attention a great observation in that "Watching the news is not dangerous, it is simply captivating our attention that gets directed away from the reflection of ourselves when the television is on". Yes, this is a form of distraction that hasn't been widely discussed. Two reflections at the same time and we get biased to the one that gives us the least-resistant reflection.We get distracted from reality and we see illusions that the mirage of which is real water and these are the reflections of water surface that doesn't exist. We distance ourselves from reality and this distance increases all the time. I hope I shall handle some of these thoughts in my next post.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

1 year ago #106

#110
The interesting thing about watching news on television is that we don't notice our own reflection in the TV. We see everything but ourselves watching the news. Essentially when we turn our TV's on we start with a black screen. Even if our reflection disappears when we turn on the television, it exists in the frame of the television which if it is made of a black plastic does create a reflection which we do not pay attention to. Watching the news is not dangerous, it is simply captivating our attention that gets directed away from the reflection of ourselves when the television is on. It is not surprising that we focus on perceptions of danger because that is how we are naturally equipped to protect ourselves, but when the screen becomes the object of our reality, and we are no longer cognizant of us being the person watching this reality, we then contribute to the reality that is common to all. The problem is that instead of us not being aware of that effect on our understanding and comprehension of reality, we see parents give screen devices to very young children, thus implanting what a child views as reality. Reflection then transforms into mirage where we add to our relationship with illusion. Even when we are told and shown this mirage, we quickly fade back into the screen we shape our own views of reality with. It is here we discount the greater reality of just how fast a black mirror that projects television pictures becomes black magic that we cast a spell on ourselves - and then we consume more fast media, in even greater amounts than we consume fast food. Even though we may become cognizant in a conversation that we do this, we re-enter the mirage at the speed of turning on the projecting mirror of reality altering habits. The media of black magic is an intoxicating habit.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#109
I "digested"your comment and wish to comment om this "The world is not full of psychopaths, it contains many people who cannot see beyond the mirror of their conditioned reflection. 90% of my focus should ideally be on the 90% of people who do not posses corrupt or evil inner being". You know that people tend to report good news to 5-6 people versus 30 people if news are bad. This negativity bias results in observing what you stated in your comment.It is a byproduct of this bias. We observe this in traffic.If their is a car accident people tend to slow down or even stop their cars to watch.It is different if there is a happy occasion such as wedding where people pay much less attention to it. We magnify bad news much more than good news. Our behaviors are reflections of our biases.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

1 year ago #104

I associate "Black Mirror" with the way it is used in the fabulous Netflix series using the term"Black Mirror" as a dystopia about technology. https://www.netflix.com/ca/title/70264888 The world is not full of psychopaths, it contains many people who cannot see beyond the mirror of their conditioned reflection. 90% of my focus should ideally be on the 90% of people who do not posses corrupt or evil inner being. What we tend to do is focus 90% of our attention on the 10% that are toxic. The media we consume tells us that our world is dominated by these people, but the reality is that media (for the sake of attention and ratings) is fixated on these toxicity. The dystopian world of technology featured in Black Mirror awakens us to the world we are not looking at, because the mirror of media and technology absorbs and distracts so much of our attention - that it becomes shocking just how much we suckered into conversations that are strategically directed and in which we become willing accomplices in this socially engineered trade. We end up fighting for things that are akin to emptying an ocean, when each day we throw the baby out with the dirty bathwater. If ever there was a truth that change happens one person at a time and usually so slowly that an entire generation has to pass before that change is visible.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#107
CityVP Manjit- the irony is that we need to be cracked for light to reach our shadows and reflect, hopefully. With people with dark shadows hiding their real motivations no light shall be reflected even though these people are cracked. Black bodies don't reflect light. What we reflect is out current state. Maybe we are heterogeneous and not homogeneous to reflect like a mirror does. In fact, even mirrors if not homogeneous, each particle shall reflect light differently depending on the angle of incidence falling upon that particle. This makes reading your last paragraph a lively reading.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

1 year ago #102

Reflection on its own is dangerous and social mirrors simply bend the light of truth - a distorted refraction rather than truth exposed by reflection. Since it is truth which is being exposed, if we do not have the strength, capability or desire to acknowledge that truth - reflection can move from light to darkness very quick, creating the depression creating endless loop of thinking. If reflection is with a mirror then we need to know it is a mirror. A mirror maybe a reflection of truth but it is not truth. Mirrors are capable of creating great illusions - we do not necessarily descend into a ground grinding hole in our psyche because illusions can also please us and keep us captivated by the mirror. Guy Debord figured that out half a century ago with his treatise "Society of the Spectacle." So we can get trapped in the mirror of our own spectacle, our own inner mind movie show and then we turn reflection into entertainment value. Reflection needs a practical and concrete exit point, so long as it revolves as a virtual neuron spinning inside our head, we are cycling towards non-constructive or worse destructive ends. The Society of the Spectacle is the big corporate mirror that captures our attention, but the mirrors we create add to the creation of our own inner prison, adding walls built of reflective memory rather than bricks of practice. A reflection is not a vision driven by a purpose and transformed into practice, it is a thought and if that thought starts spinning inside our head - the groove it leaves behind is depression. If we can see through the mirror, then we are looking through a window facing the possibility of seeing our own truth - and then we must leave the house of our reflection and dance with that truth - and it is only when we have danced that we do not go back into that hall of mirrors that can create cracks in our life.

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

1 year ago #101

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Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#104
Fay Vietmeier- my spiritual leader and spring you know that recent research has shown that we have many mini-minds to synchronize the rhyme of our organs. So, you are right to say "The heart has a mind". We need to protect all our minds and in doing so so may also protect our hearts.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #99

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee So true my dear Professor ... โ€œWe never know where our thoughts will lead usโ€ That is why it is so vital to โ€œGuard your mindโ€ Guard: watch over, protect, be vigilant Just as we should take care of our physical body โ€ฆ feeding good-healthy nourishment Our minds need the same watchful care โ€ฆ we must feed our mind edifying food ... to optimize grow The heart has a mind: โ€œAs a man thinks in his heart โ€ฆ so heโ€ Which leads me to โ€œGuard your heartโ€ โ€ฆ because it is the โ€œwell-spring of lifeโ€

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #98

Joel Anderson Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee You gentlemen are the best part of my day ;~) Joel~ I love John Denver's music Thank you for sharing such a moving song ... deep meaning It reminded me of a poem written for a friend who suffers from bi-polar disorder: "Whirling Winds & Wounding Words" I will share it in the short days ahead in tribute to you and the Creator of wind "He who forms the mountains, who creates the wind, and who reveals his thoughts to mankind, who turns dawn to darkness, and treads on the heights of the earthโ€” the LORD God Almighty is his name." ~ Amos 4:13 Our breath is as wind: "Let everything that has breath ... praise the Lord"

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#101
What a great read! Thank you Joel Anderson for sharing this poem. The windmill is blowing in my head on how versatile the wind is. You remind me of the famous quote in the movie "The Spanish Gardener". The hero looking at the flowers blown away by the wind "But the wind can't read". But the wind, I say, has imagination.

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

1 year ago #96

#100
The discussion on wind made me think of the lyrics of this song and the discussion of boundaries in your book and maybe the fishbowl/pond that i call One Earth: "The wind is the whisper of our mother the earth The wind is the hand of our father the sky The wind watches over our struggles and pleasures The wind is the goddess who first learned to fly The wind is the bearer of bad and good tidings The weaver of darkness, the bringer of dawn The wind gives the rain, then builds us a rainbow The wind is the singer when sang the first song The wind is a twister of anger and warning The wind brings the fragrance of freshly mown hay The wind is a racer, a wild stallion running The sweet taste of love on a slow summer's day The wind knows the songs of the cities and canyons The thunder of mountains, the roar of the sea The wind is the taker and giver of mornings The wind is the symbol of all that is free So welcome the wind and the wisdom she offers Follow her summons when she calls again In your heart and your spirit let the breezes surround you Lift up your voice then and sing with the wind"

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#99
Lovely song

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

1 year ago #94

#91
https://youtu.be/PXOihxjXqAo John Denver--Windsong

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#97
Fay Vietmeier What to add to your wonderful comment?! I believe one of the great things about connecting with great minds as are those of commenters here is the emerging thoughts. We never know where our thoughts will lead us to as they get feedback from others. Suddenly and out of nowhere something pops up such as a thought that never existed in our minds. This journey of thoughts exchange proved its value in the discussions here. No wonder my good friend you come up with such grand comments as this one of yours is.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #92

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee I believe There is a "universal realm" I believe There is Divine Governance there Whether people are aware or not ... or believe or not ... does not alter TRUTH or that reality "Life is never static. There is always motion" ... totally agree Everything living thing ... including people are "in process" (at times our process takes a recess ;~) The question to ask is where is my process leading me? Which makes me think of a post I wrote a while back; Where is my thought Compass leading me? Am I leaning/relying on just on own understanding or might I seek Higher Counsel (than myself) Whether we see/perceive ... recognize & are in agreement (willing) to receive or cooperate with such Counsel ... is a matter of the will & heart (my human opinion)

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#93
These are great and wonderful thoughts Joel Anderson. You r comment adds to my intention to study the panarchy of time and augment my thinking. As you wrote "What the future holds I do not know, but I do know thisโ€”I look forward to the journey. A journey that will take me from and lead me to somewhere. Hopefully somewhere productive, worthwhile and rewarding.", I believe in the same. You are a source of inspiration and encouragement my friend.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#91
Not only you gained much thoughts, we all did. Your contributions my dear mentor Fay Vietmeier are overwhelming. You wrote "I am convinced our minds bounce off each other ... this is "iron-sharpening-iron"". I feel the same way. It then amazed me that you mentioned fractals. This is because I am covering in the next posy how two mirrors in a laser tube feedback other reflecting back the same image till a fractal forms. We are experiencing the same. You or I suggests a thought and you or I reflect on it. Then you reflect again and I reflect again on the developed idea till it becomes fractal. The fractal formation of feedback can lead to great and emerging thoughts.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#92
Your understanding of panarchy is truly amazing dear Joel Anderson. Your perspective on elaborating on the three dimensions of panarchy got me in deep thinking. This is an idea for another post yet. It is amazing how some knowledge with creative thinking may produce deep insights as you did. I am unaware id anybody has written about the panarchy of time and your comment propels me to study and research this idea. I am not at all complaining on your pouring more wisdom to the discussions. To the contrary,I am excited and I look forward to your enrichment of my mind.

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

1 year ago #88

#89
cont...Bear with me, i think there is a point in this. And on those three dimensions, in one of my posts I started out with the following: "The horizon is out there somewhere and you keep chasing it, looking for it and working for it." Bob Dole I then followed with the following comment: "Life is never static. There is always motion. Where in history one went one way, others went somewhere else. What the future holds I do not know, but I do know thisโ€”I look forward to the journey. A journey that will take me from and lead me to somewhere. Hopefully somewhere productive, worthwhile and rewarding." So no, I don't think you are day dreaming on the panarchy front. As I reflect on the horizons in my life, I know that we have as reference the capital and connectedness of it all that will either lead me and others to their own manifestation of the future, one way or another. Otherwise, we simply stagnate an atrophy.

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

1 year ago #87

#89
I feign not deep understanding of the topic of panarchy, but it presents an interesting twist. If one views it as the Oxford Dictionary identifies it as "a universal realm" or a form of governance (individually or socially) then it present an interesting framework as it applies to a system of systems. Your identification of the dimensions have made me think yet again. Again I feign no deep understanding of the topic but it has made me think. Some initial thoughts led me to another potential orientation to the dimensions. Connectedness: it may be the unifying construct behind the past, present and future. Capital: The world in which we live. People, places and things. Connected to the past,it has gotten us to where we are. Connected to the present, it reflects the things and maybe even the drivers that influence our actions. It an assimilation of what I refer to as "The Thing of Things-(ToT)" and manifest itself in the physical, the intellectual, the economic, the personal, the emotional, the social, and the metaphorical. Resilience: The ability to approach, adapt and respond to change with the essence of understanding that "time" marches on.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #86

#87
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee My dearest Professor ... thank you for receiving in your heart what came from my heart ...only a humble man can be humbled (humility is a beautiful quality) I am convinced our minds bounce off each other ... this is "iron-sharpening-iron" In many ways we are "YIN & YANG" ... We see the same things so VERY often but is different ways ... I count that as "good" For example: you stated: โ€œWe donโ€™t see the wind, but we see the windโ€™s effects on moving the trees and blowing flowers and seeds. We see the force by its actions. Likewise; I believe there is an overlooked force- this is what I call the hidden fractal force.โ€ ~Ali Anani And I saw it in the spiritual: and used your words, which when spiritually applied, are profound The Fractal State of Humanity https://www.bebee.com/producer/@fay-vietmeier-pennsylvania/the-fractal-state-of-humanity-the-hidden-forces-at-work-for-you-against-you This post was rich with IDEAS I too have gained many RICH thoughts

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #85

#82
Joel Anderson Joel~ How lovely & filled with truth are the words you choose from Thoreau (one of my favorite poets as is Ralph Waldo Emerson who was a friend and influenced Thoreau) Profound TRUTH: ... maybe on the pond front: It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau (the "pond" is LIFE ... everything we see) โ€œWe must learn to reawaken and keep ourselves awake ... by an infinite expectation of the dawn, which does not forsake us even in our soundest sleep. ... I know of no more encouraging fact than the unquestionable ability of man to elevate his life by a conscious endeavour. ...it is far more glorious to carve and paint the very atmosphere ... through which we look, which morally we can do. To affect the quality of the day... (and the quality of life) โ€• Henry David Thoreau, Walden I chose for "I Dream of Flying" Our truest life is when we are in dreams awake.โ€ Henry David Thoreau Your visions will become clear only when you can look into your own heart. Who looks outside dreams; who looks inside, awakes.โ€ ~ Carl Jung https://www.bebee.com/producer/@fay-vietmeier-pennsylvania/i-dream-of-flying-209378

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#88
Again you inspire me with your valuable comment Joel Anderson. Your mention of the rear mirror (the past) as we drive in the present towards a better future (hopefully). How about considering the three dimensions of time and establish the Panarchy of Time? Or, The Adaptive Cycle of Time> In the original work on panarchy the three dimensions considered were, capital, connectedness and resilience. Now, the past is our capital, present is what connects us to the past and the future and the future by elimination stands for resilience. I don't know if I am daydreaming, but this idea crossed my mind while reading your comment.

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

1 year ago #83

#83
as with Thoreau: โ€œWe must learn to reawaken and keep ourselves awake..." and then maybe as fish in the pond we might ponder the reality in another similar discussion: "To be able to handle change, you need to have a flexible mind." And since part of this discussion is on mirrors, one could gain value from the metaphor of "The Extended Mirrior" where one might be able to see the present, look in the rear-view and drive forward with a conceptual and contextual framework that allows us to be awake in the process of "reflection" and growth.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#86
Fay Vietmeier as testimonials I couldn't be more proud of. Thank you both for humbling me with such great mentions, notably these comments come from two notable writers and thinkers. I have so many new ideas to expand on this post, which I shall do in my next post. I feel I am like a branched tree of questions to answer. Examples include: - type of mirror -neuron mirror, leaves mirrors, social mirror, fractal mirror and more - traits of mirror- such as shape )flat, spherical, cylindrical, leaf-like and more), color (including black mirror), material used and homogeneity of material used - arrangement of mirror- angles between mirrors, parallel mirrors, chaotic arrangement - type of reflections between mirrors such as feedback and the formation of fractals, cracking in mirrors The topic is rich and is mind-twisting.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #81

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee In my short time on beBee I have come to know you as a โ€œwindmill of thoughtsโ€ โ€ฆ and thoughtfulness my precious Professor โ€ฆ this post is reflective of the inviting & vibrant exchanges (in what I have dubbed: The โ€œWell-Springโ€ Cafรฉ of beBee) With bee-affection I am expressing what many know many others have said in their own words Truly Ali โ€ฆ you are the โ€œKing of Ambassadors โ€ฆ and the best of beesโ€ โ€ฆ Your unique ability to engage, invite and inspire is a REFLECTION you & does not go unnoticed It is the authentic sharing & caring โ€ฆ what I call โ€œbee-banterโ€ that draws us in & keeps us coming back โ€ฆ this is the real โ€œhoneyโ€ of beBee Javier \ud83d\udc1d CR "Everything in life is about the art of lingering and listening.โ€ Ann Voskamp

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #80

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee In my short time on beBee I have come to know you as a โ€œwindmill of thoughtsโ€ โ€ฆ my precious Professor โ€ฆ this post is just one of many vibrant exchanges (in what I have dubbed: The โ€œWell-Springโ€ Cafรฉ of beBee) With bee-affection I am expressing what many know & say in their own words Truly Ali โ€ฆ you are the โ€œKing of Ambassadors โ€ฆ and the best of beesโ€ โ€ฆ Your unique ability to engage, invite and inspire is a REFLECTION you & does not go unnoticed It is t โ€ฆ what I calTausif Mundrawala

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

1 year ago #79

#83
Indeed and glad you caught the subtle inference as I truly enjoyed the read.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#81
Subtle comment yours is Joel Anderson. In my co-authored e-book on "fish ponds- the management of complexity" we cover this point that you raised in your comment "And maybe on the pond front: It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see". https://www.slideshare.net/hudali15/fish-pond-metaphor-complexity-of-management

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

1 year ago #77

#81
And maybe on the pond front: It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. Henry David Thoreau โ€œWe must learn to reawaken and keep ourselves awake, not by mechanical aids, but by an infinite expectation of the dawn, which does not forsake us even in our soundest sleep. I know of no more encouraging fact than the unquestionable ability of man to elevate his life by a conscious endeavour. It is something to be able to paint a particular picture, or to carve a statue, and so to make a few objects beautiful; but it is far more glorious to carve and paint the very atmosphere and medium through which we look, which morally we can do. To affect the quality of the day, that is the highest of arts.โ€ โ€• Henry David Thoreau, Walden

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #76

Joel Anderson Joel~ Discovery is its own reward ;~) โ€œSometimes just maybe we should be content with the question itself as it can take us on a journey to discovering something more profound than its simplicity and singularity may implyโ€ Your reflections reveal that you are a deep well โ€ฆ with the mind of a poet ;~) โ€œAll provide a captured moment. Sometimes fleeting, sometimes enduring. Sometimes as shadows, sometimes as a physical reflection and sometimes serious deep in thought or consideration. Sometimes internalized in my heart, sometimes in my mind. Sometimes simply as a perception, sometimes as a fact and sometimes somewhere in the middleโ€ฆ You, my friend have a THINKING โ€ฆ mind โ€ฆ a WONDER-FULL gift ;~) Insightful: Justus von Liebig and โ€œwhat was he thinking" โ€ฆWas he simply a chemist with an inquisitive mind, or was he a narcissist wanting to capture his being through a light coat of silver on a pain of glass? โ€ฆ Did he look at a window and see his reflection and say hey, what if? โ€ฆ Or was he on a walk in nature, looking at a pond and seeing a "mirror" image staring back at him? โ€ฆ This is the one I LIKE ;~) And: Ibn- al- Haytham what was he thinking when he wrote his Book of Optics? And: Was there a thought catalyst for Johann Zahn and Joseph Nicephore Niepce when they devised a thing called the camera?

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #75

#79
In conflict we have two options, language of unity or division. If we begin a conflict with the idea of success, post conflict which is the better choice?

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #74

#22
Harvey Lloyd I love your wisdom ... on "conflict" Your question: does the conflict itself control or do we?" (the hopeful answer is "we do" or as Earnest Hemingway said: "Isn't pretty to think so." In truth, we only control our response to conflict. Conflict & division are enemies of peace & unity. If your cup is full then nothing else can be poured in. That โ€œcupโ€ is mindset & attitude. Effective communication requires the ability to hear & perceive with some room in your โ€œcupโ€ Be willing ~ Be open ~ Be respectful ~ Be humble ~ Be wise HEAR ~ Do not speak ~ THINK RESPECT ~ Be humble~ Discern SEE ~ Bridge the gap ~ Resolve I often refer to living as "laps around the cornfield of LIFE" (you can take the girl off of the farm... but you can't take the farm out of the girl ;~) I like the concept of "Circular" ... to me this is the growth of a human being (or an organization ... a nation) "Circular" also as likened to the TREE-of LIFE... for with each year that we live ... we have earned another ring) ... you take a lap ... you learn & grow & apply (a ring is added) .. then you take another lap ... you learn & grow and apply (another ring is added) ... and so it goes until you run out of laps ;~) But you end up with a beautiful, mature and strong tree ... called "thee" You cross over into your destiny ... into eternity

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#77
I am grateful to you dear Joel Anderson and your affirmative and appreciative comment. I am beyond what words can say. I noticed that Javier \ud83d\udc1d CR shared this post on LI. I am thankful for him also. Without you and your comments along those superb comments by distinguished bee authors this post would be of far less value. I am deeply grateful to all of you.

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

1 year ago #72

Javier \ud83d\udc1d CR for posting such a thought provoking post. Wishing you and all a prosperous and rewarding new year/decade.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#75
This is a lovey post and I recommend it for readers of this post.

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

1 year ago #70

#36
https://www.bebee.com/producer/@kevin-baker/perceptions-of-intention-is-powerful-intention-of-perceptions-is-power

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Just while scrolling beBee I noticed this comment by Jerry Fletcher. It reads "Liesbeth, Love is the finest reflection. And so it goes". It is not difficult to guess why I copied and pasted this comment.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #68

@Mohammed Abdul Jawad Mohammed ~ your words reveal your wisdomโ€ฆmake me think of the verse in 2 Corinthians 4: โ€œwe are hard pressed on many sides, but NOT crushed โ€ฆ perplexed, but NOT in despair โ€ฆ persecuted, but NOT abandoned โ€ฆ struck down, but NOT destroyed.โ€ This is LIFE In few words you have packed a treasure โ€ฆ How should we respond? โ€ฆ Be knowledgeable โ€ฆ Persevere โ€ฆ Be faithful โ€ฆ Comprehend rightly โ€ฆ Live virtuously Which made me think of Micah 6:8 โ€œWhat does God require of you oh man? โ€œHe has shown you, O man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love kindness and to walk humbly with your God." โ€œWe live in a world where everywhere there are catastrophes and every soul feels the burden, struggle, discord and partial fulfillment on the pathways for livelihood, success, harmony and pensive pondering. Be it critical, challenging or chaotic circumstances, we have to knowledgeable, persevering and faithful to comprehend rightly and live virtuously.โ€ Mohammed Abdul Jawad

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #67

#70
Yes, good answer. When i hear someone discuss their ability to multitask, they lose me on any point after that. I realise that in the middle of their conversation if stated, i just received a text that your dog had been hit by a drunk driver, they could not continue. Even if i queried them about continuing, even to the point of cajoling, they could not continue. You can not be emotionally present in driving your car while you are texting your friends.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #66

#69
Sage advice. When one serves too many masters they become lost in the hall of mirrors discussed here.

John Rylance

John Rylance

1 year ago #65

#65
Harvey re your illusion re-multitasking, when being asked about multitasking, I'm tempted to reply. I don't multitask I delegate. 

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #64

#53
Tausif Mundrawala โ€œYour value does not decrease based on someoneโ€™s inability to see your worthโ€ I am sorry for the challenge confronting you at this moment โ€ฆ but please do not be discouraged I will share with you what I would say to my son. โ€œChallenge is everywhereโ€ โ€œOpportunity is everywhereโ€ โ€ฆ Some challenges are brilliantly disguised opportunities โ€ฆ In my life this has proved TRUTH I have learned to ask โ€œwhat am I to learn in this adversity?โ€ (Although it is human to lay on the bed & lick wounds โ€ฆ which is what my cats do ;~) DO NOT question that you โ€œwronged yourself by working so hardโ€ โ€ฆ at some point I hope they recognize that they made a poor decision โ€ฆ did not act rightly Whatever you do: work whole-heartedly โ€ฆ with a spirit of excellence โ€ฆ which is PRICELESS With Godโ€™s help & your earnest effort โ€ฆ your next investment in work will find you in a place where you will look back & be grateful that what seemed bad โ€ฆ wrong or unfair โ€ฆ unjust โ€ฆ was just the beginning of something new โ€ฆ a better opportunity โ€ฆ where you will you be blessed & valued

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#66
That is another novel way of seeing branches. Now, you got me thinking. These discussions have exposed us to many new ideas over one day. So much to digest...

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#65
I understand fully your concern. To clarify my idea a fractal has self-similarity. Seeing the branch is a miniature of the whole. I wanted to say that instead of seeing events individually there is a possibility that as we grew we started branching our thoughts, memories and interests. So, seeing a branch of related activities may help in seeing the whole picture with a good approximation.

John Rylance

John Rylance

1 year ago #61

#64
I found your comment thought provoking. Yes we are on our own main path, which is crisscrossing others main paths. Im not sure whether we are branches ot them, or them branches of ours. I suppose it depends on how we interpret direction. One thing is certain if what we are talking about is the pathway of life we cannot retrace our steps, only move forward. All in all this is cracking good craic.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #60

#63
Yes a great idea but keep in mind that we can typical only serve a cluster of branches of any network at one time. Visiting the foundation or trunk of the tree every now and then rekindles the inspirations that launched us in the first place. Multitasking is an illusion as we attempt to be at all branches at one time. We serve no branch well and cause ourselves to gray prematurely.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#61
I an now asking myself the same question and find myself reverting to my previous comment. Are we on the main path, or on the branches of it? You froze my mind thinking along the lines of your questions Joel Anderson. You make the journey more interesting.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#60
What a lovely metaphor the stack of photo makes! It is a brilliant idea. I am thinking now, and maybe odd thinking, that instead of piling up our photos of old times in a column, why not stack them in form such as a tree? When nature grows it branches out. Trees, beaches, rivers, our neurons and all forms in nature tend t branch. It is just an idea that popped up while reading your magnificent comment Harvey Lloyd

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

1 year ago #57

#60
Well said indeed.

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

1 year ago #56

#59
Thank you for your comments Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee All of this has made me wonder where I am on the path? Where am I in the phase transitions? A Stream Enterer, a Once-Returner, a Non-Returner, and when or if I will ever enter the Arahant stage? Maybe I am nowhere, neither in or out but. maybe I am somewhere but it has made me contemplate it all. Looking forward to the next post.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #55

#57
You made me think to the times my grandchildren stumble across a series of ancient videos, photo albums or pictures on the computer. They cant believe their eyes at what grandpa used to look like. Before we know it hours have passed as the stories and good times are brought forward. Each day is a photo or reflection. We can't look at all of them at the same time so they tend to stack up in piles as we experience life. I have always felt it necessary to sometimes dig through the stack of daily photos and get back to, In the beginning....... Sometimes the daily photos stack up in the wrong direction or thoughts. Revisiting, Why did i get married, have children or make such a huge investment of time into something. The foundational reasons seem to get hidden by the rationalization of the moment. After a few stacked moments of this, we can lose site of why we cared in the first place. Reaffirming our foundation can sometimes clean out some rusty old thoughts we never intended. Rusty thoughts tend to stain relationships.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#57
Joel Anderson- I am moved by your comment and I assure you that the enrichment of the comments by some brilliant commenters put me on a discovery journey as well. At least, we know better what questions we should be asking and this hopefully shall put us on the correct path or trajectory of our learning journey.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#56
Joel Anderson- I am extremely excited by your engagement in commenting and responding. I believe that a post becomes a social belonging and society members may add their thoughts.l You touched upon a thought that engaged me almost all day long. We humans are fractals and then what do we learn from the "engagement" of light with fractals in nature. Is it reflection, refraction, diffraction or all of them? I am still in the research phase, but I found some interesting facts that I shall share them as son as my thoughts mature? In fractals the sum of the parts don't reflect the whole. If we consider only reflections how can then we expand on them to reflect the whole? Your questions are spot on and I hope that I shall share them in my next post.

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

1 year ago #52

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee cont....All provide a captured moment. Sometimes fleeting, sometimes enduring. Sometimes as shadows, sometimes as a physical reflection and sometimes serious deep in thought or consideration. Sometimes internalized in my heart, sometimes in my mind. Sometimes simply as a perception, sometimes as a fact and sometimes somewhere in the middle. Probably way off tangent but as I have read this, I keep going back to a quote from Stevie Ray Vaughn in his song Tightrope: "Lookin' back in front of me, in the mirror's grin; Through eyes of love I see, I'm really lookin' at a friend." So whether personal or social you all have made me think deeply about the essence of the post and your most brilliant comments.

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

1 year ago #51

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee This post and the comments have made me think or better yet "reflect" on both the post and ensuing comments. If one simply looks at the "theme" of reflection and the essence of individual or social reflection it could take one down a path of contemplating absorption, refraction and reflection. All potentially germane. Sometimes I take things in that become a part of me--good, bad and indifferent. Sometimes when it comes in it refracts or bends into something other than its original manifestation or essence. Other times it bounces back, sometimes to be lost and other times just a reflection of what is and maybe what could be. In the world of reflection, I wonder what Justus von Liebig was "thnking" when he came up with the idea for a mirror. Was he simply a chemist with an inquisitive mind, or was he a narcissist wanting to capture his being through a light coat of silver on a pain of glass? Did he look at a window and see his reflection and say hey, what if? Or was he on a walk in nature, looking at a pond and seeing a "mirror" image staring back at him? What was Ibn- al- Haytham thnking when he wrote his Book of Optics? What were Johann Zahn and Joseph Nicephore Niepce thnking when they devised a thing called the camera.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#53
My only response to you dear Tausif Mundrawala is act like a plant and adapt.It is the theme of your good post today. Just do what the plants do. Maybe you need to bend, but only to become more adaptable. Never let yourself become rigid because this is the first step to self-defeating. Do what the lady gardener did as described in your post.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#50
I am cracking with laughing. Do you see these reflection coming from my craics my friend?

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#49
It is funny that you posted your comment while I was pondering on the crackling forks of lightning. I am studying in a greater depth the reflection from fractals to symbolize the humans being fractal. This idea was inspired from a previous comment here by the legendary Fay Vietmeier add new possibilities for me to think about. I am much obliged to you.

John Rylance

John Rylance

1 year ago #47

The other side of the crack continues. They spell it craic. Perhaps it would be fair to say I enjoy the crack/craic of posts on here.

John Rylance

John Rylance

1 year ago #46

What I enjoy about posts, is how a word trigger thoughts in my mind. In this case CRACK, which has many uses. Here are a few.  Crack up: Can mean to breakdown emotionally, to burst out laughing, and is used in this context something not being what it is cracked up to be. Crack as used by the Irish, who use to describe an enjoyable social activity,usually when commenting on discussions/conversations, as in I enjoyed the crack. Admittedly they spell the word 

Alina Hammami

Alina Hammami

1 year ago #45

#46
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee that's so funny , you know i was as well smiling at the name similarity:) surely we share something in common:)

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#30
Fay Vietmeier I am still captured by what you wrote "... and that โ€œthere is a crack in everything" Which is why I used this same quote in my post a couple months ago: The Fractal State of Humanity (fractal - Latin means "broken"โ€ฆ people are broken)". You now what you did? You made me go in a research journey on how fractals reflect light? My initial findings are mind-blowing. This isn't a simple question to answer, but is quite challenging and appetizing. If I come up with few interesting thoughts I shall share them with the readers.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#45
Thank you so much for your illumination dear Alina Hammami. I am smiling as your first name Alina may read as Ali (my first name) and na (first two letters of my surname). We do have something in common.

Alina Hammami

Alina Hammami

1 year ago #42

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee food for thought, this really made me reflective and love the angle you used "A cracked person, but not completely broken, is like a cracked mirror" , thank you:) your articles are really inspiring:)

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#43
Thank you for your confirmation Kevin Baker. I take this opportunity to congratulate you on your post of today. It is challenging and courageous.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#35
@Kevin Baker- I don't see that we differ. Authenticity gives authentic reflections. In my response to Fay Vietmeier I mentioned the perspective gap or reflection gap between inward reflections and the outward reflections and the larger the gap is, the greater the challenge is.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#34
Great story and I know now your source of wisdom Fay Vietmeier

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#33
Dear Fay Vietmeier- I don't know if I am right to say that you introduce what I call the "perspective gap" between looking inward and outward. You stated in your comment "For me, reflection is either inward (self) or outward (societal). The first is far less fun than the second! :)". The greater the gap is, the greater the challenge is to find conformity.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#31
Fay Vietmeier= my good friend you have a unique ability- not only to extract important points, but also to polish and enrich them. This is evident in your writing"4) โ€œIceberg mirrorsโ€ remind me of the Titanic ... the danger was below the surface Beyond sight โ€ฆ but lethal". What a great idea my friend.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#30
Oh my dear you raise a great point which have passed the attention of most of us. This is that fractals are broken and therefore light goes through. Hopefully, the light lightens our hidden shadows. Harvey Lloyd highlighted in his comments the role of shadows in our lives and you highlight that fortunately humans being fractals may allow light to pass through and reach our shadows. This is a new dimension of thinking and I am sure it shall not escape my further attention.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#29
Joel Anderson #22 cross and find common ground.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

1 year ago #34

So very many great thoughts here! (Just caught up with them).#20 Harvey pegged it here and with the fish-in-a-bowl one earlier - fabulous! If mirrors are perspectives, how much truth is reflected Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee? Better put, what percentage of truth can we glean from a vantage point of ego? My dad had a strange sense of humor. He used to tell a story of the crocodile and the fox: The croc hears a fox crying on the river bank. He swims up to him and asks why he's sad. The fox replies, 'my leg is broken, so I can't swim across.' The croc says, 'don't worry...jump on my back. I'll take you.' The fox replies, 'no..you'll eat me!'. Upshot: the fox is won over and subsequently eaten. Before he dies he asks the croc WHY? 'Because I'm a crocodile' replies the croc.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

1 year ago #33

#29
Actually, a brilliant answer Joel Anderson...I expect Descartes meant just that! Reflection, as you rightly point out, is a double-edged sword. Dangerous though it be, it is essential and sometimes, very cleansing. For me, reflection is either inward (self) or outward (societal). The first is far less fun than the second! :)

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

1 year ago #32

#28
An enlightened answer for which I'm grateful...particularly as I'm an excellent example of chaos! :) Taking your kaleidoscope idea, I wonder if that is chaos in itself - what is seen by one to be a feast of delights and calm could be equally seen by someone else as threatening or horrible? For example, the Martians arrive: Some will be thrilled and some will be terrified. Where those lines rub together will create divides and potential chasms. Not for long though....don't expect the Martians would just turn up for tea :) Of course, as an example of 'cracked,' mirrors aren't for looking into; they're for looking out. I avoid them at all cost. So wonderful to read your buzz and be challenged to reflect on your thoughts, I caught it on LI as I'm doing some Parkinson's stuff. I do miss you, my delightful friend!!

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #31

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Joel Anderson Harvey Lloyd Joyce \ud83d\udc1d Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee (part 2) 4) โ€œIceberg mirrorsโ€ remind me of the Titanic ... the danger was below the surface Beyond sight โ€ฆ but lethal 3) "We must reach beyond our self to find the true meaning of good" ~ Harvey Lloyd This causes me to ask: What is the Source & Standard of โ€œgood?โ€ โ€œWhere I draw my identityโ€ โ€ฆ crucial โ€ฆ (there is so much confusion) โ€œMirrors may change my perspective of execution, positioning or relationships, BUT not my beliefs where i draw my identityโ€ Know your identity โ€ฆ PRICELESS 5) Knowing the Source of Wisdom is knowledge โ€ฆ PRICELESS 6) Joyce thank you for sharing โ€ฆ this says much about you ;~) โ€œOne small crack does not mean you are broken; it means you were put to the test and you did not fall apartโ€ This reminds me of the โ€œRefiners fireโ€ โ€ฆ it does not remove the crack โ€ฆ but it does reveal strength & beauty

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #30

Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Joel Anderson Harvey Lloyd Joyce \ud83d\udc1d Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee My dear Professor โ€ฆ truly you are the โ€œKing of Ambassadors โ€ฆ the best of beesโ€ โ€ฆ you are โ€œpreciousโ€ Your ability to engage and inspire does not go unnoticed I love this quote by Cohen from the song Anthem for the truth it conveys. The point of the โ€œcrackโ€ ... is so Light can get in ... and that โ€œthere is a crack in everything" Which is why I used this same quote in my post a couple months ago: The Fractal State of Humanity (fractal - Latin means "broken"โ€ฆ people are broken) 2) โ€œMirror mirror on the wall โ€ฆ whoโ€™s the fairest of us all? Mirrors reflect externals โ€ฆ though; in truth do we see honestly Mirrors can distort (especially if they are broken-cracked โ€ฆ the mirror & us) There should be a mirror that helps us see within โ€ฆ but would that be welcome? 3) When we look in a mirror are we seeking reality โ€ฆ or a reflection of our perception? Social reflections: It is my observation that people see what they want to see Hear what they want to hear

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

1 year ago #29

#27
Lisa Vanderburg That is a great question. If reflection implies serious thought or consideration then maybe one could say "I reflect therefore I am." Descartes would be mortified I am sure and I probably have completely missed the point of his "I think therefor I am." To me it then just becomes a matter of action and choice if I choose to reflect. My choice is one of growing or depending on my action--devolving. I choose the growth as a means to enlightenment which I may or may not ever achieve. A feeble attempt to answer your question.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#27
Just reading your comment when it has passed midnight dear Lisa Vanderburg is an invitation for joy. It has been long time since you showed up and I am truly joyful that you are back. You asked me a great question- if anger always beget chaos? My answer is there is a point of no return that is followed by tipping point after which a system goes chaotic. Unless anger reaches these points it is manageable. This is true for all systems. I hope that I answered your deep question.l

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

1 year ago #27

But how does one KNOW that you are growing, Joel Anderson? Could one be devolving in the same manner? #7 #8 And is one's identity based on solidity Harvey Lloyd? #10 Yet you are faithful, and probably right; we are what we were made to be, no? #23 But, dear Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee, does anger always beget chaos? I wonder about the cracked-mirror in your fabulous buzz. There is a great chasm betwixt those who are whole, and those they think are not. Same goes vise-versa. Great food for thought!!

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#24
I am in total agreement with you.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Thank you Franci\ud83d\udc1dEugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador for your valued sharing of the post

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

1 year ago #24

#19
And sometimes just maybe we should be content with the question itself as it can take us on a journey to discovering something more profound than its simplicity and singularity may imply.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#22
Anger is chaotic no matter what causes it fear or other feelings. Yes, it doesn't lead to resolution and takes us back to seat one, which is now hotter than when we started. Anger feeds more anger and chaos feeds more chaos. Chaotic behaviors is a perfect example.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #22

Oddly last evening we had several business leaders and family engaged in a discussion that surrounded conflict resolution. Conflict comes in many variables. We express their arrival through our behavior. The question we dealt with is, does the conflict itself control our behavior or do we? If it is us why or how would we choose one way or another? We all recognised that conflict that is met with angry behaviors/blame tend to be circular in argument. This is worthless behavior but is the one we reach for on most occasions. Due to our fear of losing, dignity, pride, position or authority. This is the distorting factors of the social mirror that draw us into the fire with fire resolution style. Circular. Proverbs 15:2.ย The tongue of the wise commends knowledge, but the mouths of fools pour out folly. (Fear)

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#20
Great responses to Fay Vietmeier comment and mine. Yes, emotions drive behaviors and fear is a driving factor. So, I immensely enjoyed your writing "Sticking with the thought of social mirrors we can understand the person who is caught up in too many mirrors by their anger and frustration. Degree of behavior is only a measure of how long they have been within the function. The one with too many mirrors is a tortured soul of ever changing ego level understandings of identity". What stands out for me is your differentiation between fear and degree of fear and I believe again Fay shall enjoy this part of your comment greatly. A second great part of your comment Harvey Lloyd is "To know the function is to know the person". This is a subtle point of view and I am going to dig deeper in it. The third pearl in your comment is "It is only within our shadow concepts/beliefs that we can find our identity that is lasting and survives the storms of the ego's inability to sort out relationships". This shows the importance of realizing the steering role shadows have in our lives.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #20

Fear. Fear is a tool that is used to do exactly how it spelled out in Fay Vietmeier acronym. Our conscious mind (ego) is constantly attempting to make sense of inputs. Fight or flight. To the degree that we let these control us we can measure our behavior. We at our company are in the behavior business. There is one known fact about behavior. Every and i mean every behavior has a function. To know the function is to know the person. Sticking with the thought of social mirrors we can understand the person who is caught up in to many mirrors by their anger and frustration. Degree of behavior is only a measure of how long they have been within the function. The one with too many mirrors is a tortured soul of ever changing ego level understandings of identity. When you witness a behavior, good or bad, it has a function. I am sure at your wedding galas this year you witnessed behaviors that expressed love, a golden destiny and of confidence. The function of the behavior was to express gratitude, humility and understanding within the gravity of the moment. Bad behaviors can always be associated with a sense of loss. I will lose something if i don't fight back, fire with fire. In the end any concepts sorted at the ego level will run into trouble. It is only within our shadow concepts/beliefs that we can find our identity that is lasting and survives the storms of the ego's inability to sort out relationships.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#18
Enjoyed the rephrasing of your question. Standing at a distance gives a different observation than standing in proximity. Individual behaviors make the difference. But a question leads to another one. What make us behave the way we do? I know this is a known question,but it just popped up.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #18

#17
Good question and i would suggest it would be meaningful to describe where the observer is standing. If we are standing outside the operations and observing outcomes then yes i agree with your questions statement. But if we go to the individuals and meetings we would observe something else. We would observe conflict, personality differences and challenging behaviors. These are all normal human responses to daily pressures and changes. The question is do we accept these as normal without judgement and consider our own footprint and inputs. Or do we just melt down into an existential crisis.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#15
I don't know why,but somehow your comment caused me to think of this question. Hundreds of scientists work on many projects that are complex or complicated. Somehow, they tune together regardless of their personalities and their differences. What makes them do so? Is it because they have a grand goal and purpose? Is it that they overlook their differences because they have something bigger to achieve? Or, because of outside influences that keep them focused on the mission at hand leaving no time for differences?

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#15
Reading your comment and want to give it more thought before responding.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #15

#13
When we communicate in non risk environments it is typically easy to accommodate many personalities as the risk is low. But once risk occurs, (Embarrassment possibilities, career inflections or intrinsic/extrinsic perceived loss) The personalities give us some general insight into how the mirrors align with specific personality types. A begin point of entry to conversation. Watching someone in conversation and knowing the types i can begin to understand what communication style they open up to and close ranks around. If risk is present i want to attempt to communicate in a way that is engaging and not abrasive in presentation of my own personality type. Secondary to the question is, when we pile on a bunch of mirrors of different personality types in an attempt to get over a perceived weakness in our own type..........we are in trouble. We are pushing back against who we are. Not easily maintained. The types are presented as a method of understanding those around us and developing multilingual language with each type. Not changing who we are but rather changing "how" we say who we are.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#9
I second your compliment

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#8
You are in reality an author of this post Harvey Lloyd. You explained very well what I meant by saying that when we are cracked we allow reflections from within and not when we are polished like a mirror with all reflections coming from the surface. You explained very well what I meant by writing in the post "iceberg of mirrors". Yes, we should keep the mirrors the same so that any variation in reflections are due to us. I am asking you now a definite question- what relationship you see between reflections and the sixteen personality types? I know you shall revert back to the shadow,but also sure you have other thoughts. Great reflections as usual my friend.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#7
Great quotes and lots of gems there are in your comment Joel Anderson. I enjoyed the thoroughness of your comment. This line is my take away for the day "How one grows from and takes the next step is the important thing". Thais is a very deep thought and in small steps we learn more and grow more, hopefully wisely. Your comment is a post on its own. I deeply thank you for sharing it.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#6
Absolutely and I love this addition for it speaks volume Joyce \ud83d\udc1d Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #10

#4
"i wonder, do we have a separate entity apart from the reflection being produced by nature on us?" Wow, can i just say wow, this is truly the question we should all be asking. In my belief system my answer is, YES! The gift of self determination/self awareness was endowed by our Creator. But even if we scrape away my belief system and approach the question from a secular answer..... What hard learned axioms have our ancestors determined? Joel Anderson identified two statements of thought from antiquity that should be realised as Shadow level concepts. We have two alternatives with our neighbor, love them or kill them (Physically or emotionally). This is another concept that has been proven and stated historically through trial and error. Debasish Majumder you are asking the right questions. To reframe your question, How can the fish in the bowl know the meaning of life when we recognise that there is something greater outside the bowl. This recognition can be religious or through the wisdom our ancestors found. Our ancestors found what nature already knew.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #9

#7
Eloquently stated. The edge of one's self awareness is complete with the abyss and the glory of wisdom. Walk carefully

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #8

Our reflection (Identity) should come from our "Shadow". That part of us where we have declared what we believe to be true and tested with time. The axioms that our forefathers learned through war, and thought. The mirrors exist at the ego level. The place where we sort out "physically" right and wrong. We should only collect mirrors that reflect our Shadow designed values/beliefs at this level. We should evaluate mirrors that are pressing themselves on us through our shadow concepts. I change my shadow concepts mirrors do not. Mirrors may change my perspective of execution, positioning or relationships, BUT not my beliefs where i draw my identity. You have drawn some very deep thinking comments from some here. Thank you for your thoughts and ideas around our discussions.

Joel Anderson

Joel Anderson

1 year ago #7

"The teacher who is indeed wise does not bid you to enter the house of his wisdom but rather leads you to the threshold of your mind." Khalil Gibran And this post has done just that, led me to my mind to contemplate the kaleidoscope that is both my personal and collective "house of mirrors." There is value in reflection but in doing so, one might also consider that in conducting the act whether that be individual or social that there is more to the moment. Why? Because in the "art" of reflecting, one could consider that "No man {woman} ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's {she's} not the same man {woman}". Heraclitus How one grows from and takes the next step is the important thing. I can reflect on all the baggage I carry and take it simply at face value. Then I have a choice depending on the momentary reflection--get bogged down, Or--grow and endeavor to take the next step and then the following one on the journey of a thousand steps with purposeful intent as a means to become enlightened. "Knowing others is wisdom, knowing yourself is Enlightenment." Lao Tzu

Joyce ๐Ÿ Bowen Brand Ambassador @ beBee

I have a particular saying I like. It was brought to my attention by LinkedIn. Someone from the previous manifestation of that network put it on my graphic included on my profile. MS took it off, but I readded it. It goes--One small crack does not mean you are broken; it means you were put to the test and you did not fall apart.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#4
Lovely insights dear Debasish Majumder. You remind me of opal and how it gives different reflections if viewed from different angles. Do humans do the same and give different views? My answer is probably yes because we care to compare the reflection from the self angle with those coming from social reflections. I thank you for your challenging comment and I hope that Harvey Lloyd will respond to it.I also thank you for your sharing the post.

Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

1 year ago #4

i wonder, do we have a separate entity apart from the reflection being produced by nature on us? the continuous process of change which occur in nature, various elements being discovered by us (?) having an impact on us and many times we may not able to gauge how this reflections effect us! can any evolved creature can recognize what was their previous state prior to what it may exist with? crack do have justifiable reason and accordingly it produces different reflections. it is perhaps the human being alone out of all creature to act for self and it do have a society purely designed by association of few self-designed reflections aligned with a horizontal ramification! however, lovely insight sir Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee! enjoyed read and shared. thank you for the buzz sir.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#2
In a comment that responded to on this shared post on LI I shared very much what you wrote towards the end " we have to knowledgeable, persevering and faithful to comprehend rightly and live virtuously". Self-integrity and self-composure are needed. I truly love your comment dear Mohammed Abdul Jawad and I also thank you for your sharing the post.

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

1 year ago #2

We live in a world where everywhere there are catastrophes and every soul feels the burden, struggle, discord and partial fulfillment on the pathways for livelihood, success, harmony and pensive pondering. Be it critical, challenging or chaotic circumstances, we have to knowledgeable, persevering and faithful to comprehend rightly and live virtuously.

Ali ๐Ÿ Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

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