We Plan and Destiny Laughs
I keep asking myself if planning has a real value! We humans are complex systems and our behaviors are complex too. The feedback mechanisms in our bodies are frequent and result in simple deterministic rules to turn into chaos. We are complex emotions and once we energize one emotion it can send us into paths that we haven't anticipated. The uncertainty Principle prevails. I feel we are like an electron if we try to locate its positions we change it because we energize it. In strategy, we say know where your position is to know where to go. But once we try to know our position we change it. Are we then chasing a shadow?
Small events may change our paths and send us orbiting chaotically in strange paths or attractors. A chaotic system has a strange attractor , around which the system oscillates forever, never repeating itself or settling into a steady state of behavior. It never passes the same point twice. The structure of a strange attractor has fractal form, meaning the same patterns exist at every scale no matter how much we zoom into it. The structure of a strange attractor could have the shape of a butterfly wherein a minute change may send us from one wing of the butterfly to the other. All we know we are within the boundaries of the butterfly, but where exactly we don't know. You shall enjoy this video to see visually what I mean.
Let me explain more by real examples. I read recently the story of a football player who was driving his car in a heavy traffic to sign a contract with a new club of his choice. While driving, he received a phone call from Norwich Football Club (my favorite club being graduate of the University of East Anglia) offering him a contract. The player accepted the offer and changed his career path by driving to Norwich. All his planning changed because of the annoying heavy traffic.
I was flying back home from an Arab country in which I was invited for an interview. A businessman sat next to me on the plane. Soon we greeted each other and began talking. He asked me few questions and then mentioned that he was facing a challenging problem in his industrial plant. The conversation ended in me offering simple solutions. Upon landing and unable to refuse his invitation I ended changing my path accompanying the man to visit his plant. That day I signed a contract with him for two years which changed my career path. All my planning for the interview ended in doing what I have never planned for.
My brother was outstanding in math. He had a brilliant mind for it. He used to solve problems aimed for the tenth grade when he was in the sixth grade. Everybody expected him to be a successful engineer. One day he heard my other saying to my father that she wished one of her sons would be a medical doctor. My brother is now a famous MD. He changed his career path to please my mother even though she never planned for it or even knew till years later why my brother decided to change his study.
My eldest brother was a smoker. He wanted to quit so frequently that even before he had finished his intention he lit a new cigarette. His youngest son told him one day that if you would care for me you wouldn't smoke. You don't only hurt yourself, but also hurt my future. Since that day my brother became the most anti-smoking person you would meet.
Our lives seem to go orbiting around strange things that have the structure of a strange attractor. No matter how much we plan, destiny has its final word.
Do you agree?
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Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #76
The fork of bifurcation- yes, and we may fall in the land of great discovery. It is interesting your use of the word nexus Dale Masters because of the repeating patterns observed at different time scales.
Javier Cámara-Rica 🐝🇪🇸
منذ 7 سنوات #75
CityVP Manjit I agree! All of them are super bees! I love you all and most of them I would be happy if they become ambassadors too
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #74
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #73
I discussed the difference between destiny and fate in my next buzz The Honeycomb of Ideas. I love your saying "Destiny is an abstraction, it does not exist in reality. It is a mind game".
Randy Keho
منذ 7 سنوات #72
Lisa Gallagher
منذ 7 سنوات #71
CityVP Manjit again, very wise comment. I sort of on break today from Social media- I tend to spend hours reading other's buzzes, reposting to beBee and twitter, and once in a while it can catch up with me. My brain feels tired today LOL. So my comment will probably reflect that even though I can't disagree with anything you wrote. Many of us do tend to migrate to some of the same people's buzzes over and over but for me it's because I enjoy their writing. I meet new people on here almost daily and find new buzzes to comment on, so I'd like to think that I'm trying to branch out. I'm sure we are all can be a bit tribal, some more than others. Something to keep in mind. Again, thank you!! I have great respect for all those you tagged below and many more!
CityVP Manjit
منذ 7 سنوات #70
Dear Lisa, I did read the wolf-pack buzz and I am a great believer that it is tribalism that shapes destiny, because this form of destiny has repeatedly been shown to have been shaped through war. That conflict does not have to occur at the national level, it can happen at the media level or it can even happen in our own mind. When we wash destiny of all the bits that are uncomfortable and sterilize destiny into a utopian or noble ideal we get into the business of re-writing history. This brings me to the burning question which is, how can we study destiny at philosophical detail and yet continue to repeat the patterns of history, history constantly repeating itself? That is why I will push aside the question of destiny and deal with diversity first. In my 20 years of being on discussion groups, all have had the same pattern, they all become wolf-packs - which means what? It means that the same group people begin talking to the same group of people - and now one has insiders and outsiders. My destiny as seen from the lens of diversity remains a constant outsider. This outsider invites the outsiders in, not as insiders but people who can have the diversity of inside and outside - and then there is no wolf-pack - there is only diversity. My destiny depends on diversity - so does that of Javier beBee and the list goes on and on until diversity reaches my own Dunbar number or another new destiny.
Lisa Gallagher
منذ 7 سنوات #69
CityVP Manjit, I'm so sorry I missed your comment. You are a very wise man. I want to read your comment again so I can have a more detailed reply and thank you. When I read these posts and the comments on Ali's buzzes it opens my mind so much. I may not understand everything but that's where others can come in and help me to understand better. Thank you to Ali too!
CityVP Manjit
منذ 7 سنوات #68
Dear Lisa, the D in Destiny is not the D in DNA, destiny is simply our capacity as human beings to reprogram our destination. Destiny has different kinds of fuel, some fueled by powerful imagination and some fueled by foolish fantasy. The one plus point of your anxiety order is that it proves you have a powerful imagination. The challenge this imagination gives you serves in you the thinking that creates great anxiety, but the same challenge of imagination allows you to want to change your destiny. You know what your compass is today, you know what your direction is and your imagination is now guiding you to a new destination, and you are not afraid of obtaining help and support to get to where you want to be. Those that have the courage to love as much as you do will feel hurt and pain at much greater level than those that talk of love but don't live their love fully. So we know that our imagination can move us to a new destination and it can also overwhelm us - of if we don't exhibit the courage of love, we choose foolish fantasy and we become like driftwood in the river. Yet none of this is the value of destiny. The greatest value of destiny is KNOW THAT WE HAVE ARRIVED and what that SETTLEMENT means. Otherwise our destiny is that of a nomad. At this moment in life it is as good as it gets, I have arrived and for the next three years I am not interested in destiny, unless someones destiny crashes into me or shit happens, which destroys the settlement. Once settled the children are safe, and they have the opportunity to live the life we did not, and that is what my parents did so the sacrifice was lesser for us. Yet what is the purpose of struggle if we never arrive. What is the purpose of destiny if it is continuous loop of never finding life.
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #67
Dear Lisa Gallagher- your talk of the heart from the heart of experience says it so well in simple terms. SImplicity coupled with passionate experience make your comment very impacting and naturally impressive and believable. I feel every word you wrote.
Lisa Gallagher
منذ 7 سنوات #66
Sara Jacobovici
منذ 7 سنوات #65
Proud to be mentioned in your comment Milos Djukic and in your style. I am grateful for the connection.
Milos Djukic
منذ 7 سنوات #64
CityVP Manjit
منذ 7 سنوات #63
Dear Sara Jacobovici - Likewise.
Sara Jacobovici
منذ 7 سنوات #62
A pleasure for me that our paths have crossed CityVP Manjit. Your journey has influenced positively on mine.
CityVP Manjit
منذ 7 سنوات #61
Dear Sara Jacobovici I highly value the way you look at the world because that is the meaning of diversity, and through the lens you utilize you are learning and what you learn contributes to the journey of your life - which we happen to call destiny. For my learning journey affords me to first qualify the reservations but not to prove my point but simply what shall proceed into my own field of attention and what must be put aside, since we both know that none of us can know it all. Quantum Consciousness Often means Nonsense by Matthew R. Francis http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2014/05/quantum_consciousness_physics_and_neuroscience_do_not_explain_one_another.html The Myth of Quantum Consciousness http://www.huffingtonpost.com/victor-stenger/the-myth-of-quantum-consc_b_788798.html Skepticism is an interesting perspective because again, it is Milos Djukic posts which introduced me to the idea of "reproducibility" and when I INDIVIDUALLY study this it has a greater transforming effect because I am taking logical steps in my own learning journey. I have poor statistical thinking ability, I am prone to logical fallacies, I am not as creative as I should be in design thinking, I am trying to appreciate the engineering and scientific mindset and all of this is on a foundation that I do have the skills of abstraction and that this is the foundation stone for my learning journey. Destiny in my learning journey remains mythological.
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #60
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #59
I hope Deb Lange. I know this is true because my soul connected me with both of you
Sara Jacobovici
منذ 7 سنوات #58
Ali Anani: "Your soul knows the geography of your destiny. Trust it. It will take you where you need to go."
Sara Jacobovici
منذ 7 سنوات #57
At the risk of belabouring a point CityVP Manjit, the relationship between the pitcher and the batter is based on being on an equal "playing field". Just as it is the pitcher's role to strike out the batter, it is the role of the batter to hit a home run. Let's not forget or minimize the fact that the pitcher, too, has a turn up at bat.
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #56
I posted my last comment before reading your comment dear Sara Jacobovici and I am moved by its depth. I find my comment in synchronicity with yours.
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #55
I appreciate your comments dear CityVP Manjit and I take them seriously. Each comment of yours requires proper researching before responding. Before reading your last comment the idea of destiny as a science struck my mind. I Googled for Destiny as Science and so many references popped up. I am reading this now: Fate or destiny is often regarded as the “course that life takes” and karma is one of the factors that influence this course. People often believe that fate is pre-destined and nothing can be changed, but is this really true? “Your destiny is shaped according to the combination of conditions pre-determined at birth and other factors that you are able to change through your own efforts.” http://info.happy-science.org/2015/86/ What I am trying to say that your comments are so "fatty" that they demand effort to respond to and sometimes unfortunately time is not always at my disposal.
CityVP Manjit
منذ 7 سنوات #54
Dear Ali Anani is the state of researchers today and also articles he has pointed out about bad science. If destiny is to have any purposeful value then it is realize that destiny like the word culture is not something we create but based on what people believe. The underlying purpose of Milos's shares is to hope to shift the destiny of science, because where science is today is not a particularly good place. The engineering of direct communication between human beings will one day be technically feasible - so telepathy is being researched as a technology rather than a belief. In this Smithsonian article provides a proof of concept http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/scientists-prove-that-telepathic-communication-is-within-reach-180952868/?no-ist What is not amazing is that researchers have the capability to explore this and that in turn leads to the creation of the amazing. We might not know who is capable of this innovation or when this innovation will transpire but we can deduce the gatekeepers of destiny. Using the metaphor of baseball that Sara Jacobovici applied in comment #58 - the value here is to catch the catcher, whose purpose is to take people out, not make them play better. The metaphor of the pitch is the moment, but the metaphor of the pitcher is striking people out. The researchers that Milos studies and talks about are being struck out, and not study the pitch.
Sara Jacobovici
منذ 7 سنوات #53
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #52
SO many things are in the same boat dear CityVP Manjit. Telepathy is one example. Dreams are a second example. Dreams, which inspired many scientific ideas, are another example. SOmetimes science is to silence even doubts about things scientists don't believe in.
CityVP Manjit
منذ 7 سنوات #51
Dear Ali Anani scientific reasoning as a very important place in the development of awareness, but this buzz leads with a mythology called destiny. Destiny is not a science, it is the power of myth making. Yet even scientists who understand mythologies will talk of being spiritual while rejecting the non-scientific facets of organized religion. When a belief system is organized, power is given to it and when that power has a paternal history to it - then it has an equally powerful effect on the mythology of destiny. The question that flows through my mind is understanding the imbalances caused by the power of myth, and it certainly is not to create new mythologies. Cynthia Eller wrote about "The Myth of Matriarchal Prehistory" https://www.nytimes.com/books/first/e/eller-myth.html Scientists have used mythologies to shape its very culture and even shut people out of science, indeed look at the article of six overlooked female scientists who are not mythologies http://all-that-is-interesting.com/female-scientists I am not the expert on societal issues, none of us are - but I am a learner. If science can shape destiny and the traditional patriarchal, European centric bias has shaped science - then these mythologies in science today shape destiny. Destiny does not laugh, we do; whether laughter is scientific reasoning or laughter is metaphor, myth shapes that laughter. Should destiny ever have the last laugh because the human race is not here, then destiny is of no consequence - then we neither learn from mythos and we will have all collectively failed in science. If we are not that destiny, then what is?
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #50
I appreciate your experience and example dear CityVP Manjit. May be I am influenced by my tendency to find scientific reasoning which fits with my background. On societal issues you are the expert
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #49
Fascinating comment is yours Donald Grandy. Your reference to Carl Jung is wonderful and hits the nail on its head
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #48
We are on the same wavelength this time KenzieBrian McKenzie
CityVP Manjit
منذ 7 سنوات #47
Dear Ali Anani I do not struggle with why religion and philosophy can culminate in nihilistic action because destiny has never been an integral flow. There is a great difference between societal order operating on patriarchal destiny than a societal order operating on matriarchal destiny. When the male priests saw that there was a means of control and power through a certain belief system or way of thinking, destiny manifests itself by transforming the flow of life. Once this flow of life was disturbed we created man-made destiny otherwise a supremely intelligent civilization would see how glaringly obvious the imbalance here is.
Donald 🐝 Grandy PN
منذ 7 سنوات #46
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #45
Sara Jacobovici
منذ 7 سنوات #44
My point understood by you Ali Anani and your comment agreed by me. You are right to refer to curiosity in this discussion of knowing and being opened to sensing what is out there. We definitely want to incorporate curiosity within our boundaries of what is in our control, rather than use control to determine curiosity's boundaries.
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #43
Thank you again Sara Jacobovici and "and to understand that a pitcher in the life of baseball is just a member of a team who is getting signals from the catcher". I am reading this post for a second time and in light of your comment I dare say you should find the same extremely valuable: https://playerdevelopmentproject.com/the-mystery-of-mindset/ I assure you that your involvement in these discussions have the highest value possible. You see we think we know (increasing our control), but ten a new ide is thrown that shakes our belief in what we know (less control) and we start a learning journey. This is the kind of journey that is endless and yet very exciting.
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #42
I couldn't disagree with you Sara Jacobovici "If we concentrate on what we can know and not be frustrated with the fact that we can't know it all, would result in our having more control than we imagine". This is terrific; but I have question though. If what I know is different from what you know then I shall have more control if I keep or try to keep the discussion within this boundary. I need to open up a little at least to know from you. Too much control would reduce our imagination power and curiosity as well. The curiosity-control curve is bell-shaped meaning that no little control or too much control is very helpful. I hope I understood your important point right.
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #41
Dear CityVP Manjit says I need a pausing time.
Sara Jacobovici
منذ 7 سنوات #40
Sara Jacobovici
منذ 7 سنوات #39
Thank you Ali Anani for your response. I think there is a connection when I describe the need for us to be open to seeing and hearing what is out there and your description of the hidden. Isn't it only hidden when we can't see or hear it? From my perspective, I believe that what we are capable of sensing is out in plain sight. I would rather think of things as being beyond our capacity (in this state of being) to know. If we concentrate on what we can know and not be frustrated with the fact that we can't know it all, would result in our having more control than we imagine.
CityVP Manjit
منذ 7 سنوات #38
I can understand paradise much more than I can understand destiny. All my senses are attuned to paradise, for I can mentally conceive paradise, for it may emerge but it can only be an emergence. The irony is that those who believe in destiny may be the very one's who might be ruining paradise and thus ruining emergency. Paradise does not contemplate war but belief in destiny can promulgate possibility of war, tribalism, as well as conflicting religious conviction. At 2 years old there is no way that an evolving mindset kept me alive, it was a fear of losing a second son that kept me alive, just as it would not be at all welcomed to think that the first son left this Earth so I could fulfill my destiny. Carol Dweck has very good intellectual ability and her theories are helpful to parents but her theories do not make her a parent - for every mother or father who has lost a child, I will never speak of destiny but of compassion. That burden and weight of loss is a greater consideration whether we have a growth mindset or a fixed mindset. How do I know if I would have a growth mindset if I were to experience the loss of a child. I have not and do not. If there is resilience in this I do not know, if the soul is in turmoil, I have not experienced it. Destiny is not a fingerprint but as a curse it may transform us in the fire of adversity, and as a blessing it may weaken us to learned helplessness. There is no growth mindset or fixed mindset in the the most savage parts of the Congo - there is only survival and counting the cost of global indifference - and that we live in paradise compared to the people of Congo seems to go strangely amiss. Whatever our troubles, it dwarfs in comparison with genocide. http://worldwithoutgenocide.org/genocides-and-conflicts/congo What robs paradise is rooted in philosophies becoming greater than people.
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #37
I happened to be reading this dear CityVP Manjit when I noticed a notification that you commented. I am reading "These ideas are founded on the work of world-renowned Stanford psychologist Carol Dweck. Dweck’s work has established the key differences between people with a ‘fixed’ mindset and those with a ‘growth’ mindset. People with a growth mindset seek out challenge and value failure, while people with a fixed mindset see challenge as threatening and avoid failure at all costs". Reference: https://playerdevelopmentproject.com/the-mystery-of-mindset/ You wrote in your very eloquent comment "I still cannot fathom destiny but I can fathom fear and I can never be sure where in all this fear has it's end and destiny has it's beginning". Does fear then depend on our mindset and regardless of other people being fearful? You bring a crucial point in your comment on how the emotions of others (your mother in this case) may cascade on us and affect our lives. Brilliantly expressed by you"My mother was influenced by loss, I was influenced by love". May be it is your evolving mindset that made the difference.
CityVP Manjit
منذ 7 سنوات #36
For my mothers first born son, destiny was indeed a curse, at 2 years of age, he became ill and my mother lost her son. My mother was protective of me as a result, the destiny of one flowing into another and she over-fed me to the point her clinic advised her out of due concern that she must not over-feed me. Then I too became ill as a baby and it is through that illness I lost all that weight. I survived. Now as I grew up is my destiny to focus on the curse or the blessing, for if I was given a choice in the matter, I would want my mothers first son to live for if their was a supernal will in this, the blessing I now have should be his. My mother was influenced by loss, I was influenced by love - if this is what we call destiny then so be it. Her prescribed destiny worked out for me for - the things she did not want to happen to me did not happen - yet other things still happened. I still cannot fathom destiny but I can fathom fear and I can never be sure where in all this fear has it's end and destiny has it's beginning.
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #35
Dear CityVP Manjit. You wrote "If I know that I cannot fathom destiny then I am not going to prescribe destiny and I may move well beyond where prescribed destiny then takes me". If only you would read my responses to dear Sara
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #34
PART 2 Ys, Sara Sara Jacobovici- we have sometimes enough time to pause and make a choice. But what destiny hides is a different story together. But still we have a bigger choice- to accept because we aren't responsible for hidden fates. We have bigger choices when we think we don't have any. This is the paradox.
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #33
Dear Sara Jacobovici- you are not only a great thinker, but also a mind-stirrer and memory-evoker. ALlow me to tell you a real story. We had a Christian neighbor. He had three daughters. He really wanted to have a son for many reasons, and one of them that he was the last male in his family. Even though his daughters were charming and intellect, he still desired a son. My father dreamt while having a short afternoon nap that the neighbor's wife would have a baby boy next time. Why he dreamt I believe because of the constant complaints of the neighbor. My father told the neighbor why and what he dreamt about. The neighbor decided to try his luck and he had a baby boy who was born on Ramadan's feast. The neighbor started celebrating Ramadan like Moslems. The boy grew up to be the perfect example of what a father would wish his son to be. He went to the USA to study. While returning home for vacation he was involved in a car accident and was killed.
CityVP Manjit
منذ 7 سنوات #32
Sara Jacobovici
منذ 7 سنوات #31
Sara Jacobovici
منذ 7 سنوات #30
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #29
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #28
A more wonderful comment Sara Jacobovici. You wrote attentively "It needs to be presented in a lecture type setting to be effective". Absolutely correct and in fact this is the first time I don't use it in a lecture. We do "play" with senses and direct one sense on the expense of the other. I used it when I was at school. I didn't like geography (not any more though) and I intended to make silly mistakes in language to divert the teacher from my guessed answers on the geography exams. You are very observant and your video observation is very correct.
Sara Jacobovici
منذ 7 سنوات #27
Wonderful example Ali Anani of how we attend to expectations. Your instruction was to find the first "mistake". Our "hearing" overrides our "seeing" in this case. The eyes literally scan the words and look for the mistake in content rather than function. This link is a classic "Selective Attention" example. (It needs to be presented in a lecture type setting to be effective.) You ask your audience to watch the video and count how many times the players wearing white pass the ball. Then you ask them and you get different answers but then you ask about something else in the video and the vast majority had not observed it as a result of attending to what is expected of them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGQmdoK_ZfY
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #26
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #25
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #24
Yes, dear Tausif Mundrawala and your lovely personal story shows how little events may have dramatic effects on our lives. Thank you for sharing your personal story because we tend to trust them more.
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #23
@ptharso castro- thank you for the link. Thanks to Google Translate I managed to understand the abstract. However; as I don't have a FB account I couldn't translate the whole post. The graph seems very interesting. I wonder if yoou could provide us with a summary in English and including the image. This shall be wonderful as it seems you have new thinking on this lovely topic.
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #22
Dear Deb, it is the stabilizing effect that w observe and in which complex system finally end up with is the reason for me picking this particular video to embed in my buzz. So, your comment resonates strongly with me. I love it, to be more honest.
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #21
Thank you dear Jeet Jeet Sarkar because we need to learn from each other and expand our horizons. Milos is a great thinker and his comment is serious. What is your opinion? I would love to hear from you
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #20
Dear David Navarro L\u00f3pez- this is a good example of statistical predictions that may hold true using your words): Log-periodic self-similarity: An emerging financial law? (PDF ... https://www.researchgate.net/.../46461813_Log-periodic_self-similarity_An_emerging_f... Official Full-Text Publication: Log-periodic self-similarity: An emerging financial ... The suggestion that financial dynamics may be governed by phenomena anal-.
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #19
Dear Milos Djukic- my friend I define friendship as the right to differ and meanwhile get closer. I Have this feeling towards you. Your reference to your post is timely even though I am very familiar and in love of it. I think this post is your milestone. If I say I have a deterministic answer I shall be lying to myself. However; I wrote one time , and dear Vincenzo De Florio is aware of it, that in my belief self-similarity is an emerging property and it is a reward. In other words, I self-similarity emerges because it beautifies things and make the scaling of our efforts possible. In your post you wrote very correctly "Curiosity, mindfulness and imagination made people great". his s a great triad and I love it. There is feedback among them such as curiosity feeding back to imagination. What fractal shall emerge if any, is difficult to tell. The fact that it emerges negates its planning. There is a great study on "Self-organization and complexity in the natural sciences" by by F Heylighen and the study sows self-organization and complexity in the natural sciences ... studies the collective patterns emerging from many interacting components, ... space and time, have been widely used to study phenomena such as chaos. So, I do hope something emerges from our interactions because they expand our curiosity, imagination and mindfulness. In my post I may refer to curiosity of what happened being unimaginable and trying to absorb them with open mindfulness. So, where is the disagreement? I do hope you provide some clarification because I am fully open-minded to listen.
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #18
Dear Anees Zaidi as it relates to this one.
David Navarro López
منذ 7 سنوات #17
Deb Helfrich I love your words "Chaos may exist in the time frames we are used to inhabiting, but perhaps in the grander picture of humanity there are statistical predictions that hold true" . The trees sometimes avoids us to see the forest. Humans are too short minded to see the big scenario, so we like to think about concepts like fate, God, you name it, trying to find an explanation to the theoretical "Chaos", whilst there isn't any.
Milos Djukic
منذ 7 سنوات #16
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #15
#22 Very mature attitude dar Anees Zaidi? I am grateful for your sharing it in the Debate Hive and I am open to all contrasting opinions. Life has taken us into different paths and I expect therefore different opinions
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #14
Graham Edwards- I greatly appreciate your balanced response. Yes, sometimes things move smoothly and in these cases our planning works. However; I wish to add an example. A farmer does all what is necessary. He plans the rotation of crops, when to add fertilizers, when to plant and all what is required by him. His crops flowers and it is almost summer time. All of a sudden and out of nowhere a strong wind blows and it blows away his flowers. Yes, planning is useful, but who knows what paths things go? Does this provide an example of your sound writing "The habit of planning and action better prepared you for the those days when destiny decides to have some fun"
Harvey Lloyd
منذ 7 سنوات #13
@Peter Van Doorn I would say yes we do have free will. Free will intersects with the free will of others. This is where the Chaos begins. I can make a choice but the path may not be the path to the outcome I start with. People make the complexity by having different/unique free will choices. Managing through the choices presented from Chaos is wisdom. Most describe Chaos as a symptom of........(Education, upbringing or environment) However life is Chaos. When we see this as a part of life then we can begin to change how we manage ourselves within. To judge or ignore Chaos is to discount others and their journey at and where you intersect with them. I do believe you can predict an outcome and to some degree develop a framework of meeting the outcome. But you also have to know that with Chaos the framework will evolve as will you. I find way to many folks who are stuck on the plan and not the outcome. You may develop a plan to increase production, but subsequent meetings and knowledge development show you a new product that will achieve the same goal at half the cost. Would you see this opportunity if you were not looking at Chaos as creative? Chaos in most instances represent opportunity. Free will is a given. The price is paid when we overlook the creative aspects we had not considered, when presented with Chaos to the original framework. The most powerful phrase in our arsenal is "No Deal". This is something we carry with us and have for use in any framework/time/situation. Unfortunately many see Chaos as anxiety and float the phrase out at the first sign. When I see Chaos I know I am getting close to the right choice. But reserve the right to implement "No Deal" up to the point I jump off the cliff. If time permits and Chaos visits allow it run, watch it closely and know that you can say no deal at anytime. Who knows, that intersection of others may shed light on something you haven't yet considered.
Graham🐝 Edwards
منذ 7 سنوات #12
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #11
I respect your decision not to agree @ptharso castro. May be deterministic chaos is at play. You are luckier than I. May be you wish to share one example or two here. My experiences threw me in paths that I never planned for.
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #10
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #9
This is a powerful statement "In the end the well being of humans is the ultimate goal, regardless of the path chosen,Harvey Lloyd. Yes, we need to try, err and learn with good faith
Harvey Lloyd
منذ 7 سنوات #8
I agree. The nature of humanity is for each to make sense of their path. More importantly it is important to know that the path is Chaos. No straight lines. Unfortunately it appears many groups are trying to unwind the strings of Chaos. Certainly a task, but I suggest that it maybe unwise to do so. In the end the well being of humans is the ultimate goal, regardless of the path chosen. Unwinding Chaos is fruitless unless we develop a pill that lets us live for thousands of years.
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #7
My life story fits very well with your last line of your comment Peter Peter van Doorn. My life is mostly a reflection of your comment. I appreciate your comment and it deserves the reader's attention.
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #6
Yes dear debasish majumder- Sometimes a small though may send us to lands we have never dreamed of visiting. Thank you so much for your beautiful expressions and they are creatively metamorphic.
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #5
Harvey Lloyd
منذ 7 سنوات #4
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #3
Law of Affinity and I have to bring this to the attention f dear Javier beBee. Affinity hives or affinity that brought you and I closer. I don't know, but seeing how in complex systems paths change with very little efforts, I find myself at least moving from path to another without any intention. Is that because of the Law of affinity? It could be in part, but you give me some food for thought.
Ali Anani
منذ 7 سنوات #2
I couldn't stop smiling reading your comment dear David Navarro L\u00f3pez can solve this paradox.
David Navarro López
منذ 7 سنوات #1