Lust and Love

Lust and Love

The idea of this buzz resulted from the exchange of messages I had recently with CityVPΒ  Β Manjit. Manjit made great comments on my previous buzz and so I sent him a thanking message. In the message I wrote β€œIn reading your comments on my buzz and find their thoroughness I feel like pausing from writing. You have such broad knowledge and depth that I lost my lust for writing”.

Manjit responded with this message. β€œYour lust for writing can be substituted by your love for writing for the simple reason that love has no weight to it, I don't think of myself as having broad knowledge only open inquisitiveness.

I wish I could develop a lust for writing because this is where you are the greater person, because lust contains a connection that love of writing does not, because it involves an audience. Love of writing is different to love of people - your lust for writing is driven by an awesome love for people. We live in a society where lust is looked down upon and love is put on a pedestal - but "love for writing": is the writing not the relationship. You have developed such a great relationship with your readers that the paradox here is that lust for writing in your case is fueled by love for people.

My love of writing is an island of excellence but it is an island. In reading your writings you have helped me see that love of people is a great thing and that kind of love carries a much greater weight - so long as you know that what drives the lust for writing is that greater love.
This switching between writing for yourself is something I prosper in, it is what makes us each who we are - and in how you write and how you express love for people through your writing, that is lust of the highest value - a writing that will always remain greater than mine”.

Manjit challenges many prevailing thoughts on lust and love. For example, Glenn Stok wrote an article titled β€œCan Love and Lust Coexist in a Relationship”? In the article the author states β€œIf a man who is in an emotional affair starts to fall in love with a woman who he respects, then he finds himself confused with having the thoughts of love and lust at the same time”. This is contrasting with the view Manjit expressed β€œso long as you know that what drives the lust for writing is that greater love”.

Lust is normally associated with bad meanings. The lust for life, the lust for sex, lust of the eyes are examples of what I mean. Lust of the flesh is manifested in many ways such as backbiting- in reality it is lust for the flesh of others. Lust for sex is obvious. Lust for life is in fact lust for deprivation of others of their rights by β€œhijacking” their achievements by claiming them.

The lust of life or for life- do they differ? I wonder if β€œof” or β€œfor” make such a difference. No matter what this lust reminds me of the 1956 video β€œThe Lust for Life”. The plot summary reads as follows. is This lauded drama depicts the life of revered Dutch painter Vincent Van Gogh (Kirk Douglas). An intense and imaginative artist, Van Gogh possesses undeniable talent, but he is plagued by mental problems and frustrations with failure. Supported by his brother, Theo (James Donald), the tormented Van Gogh eventually leaves Holland for France, where he meets volatile fellow painter Paul Gauguin (Anthony Quinn) and struggles to find greater inspiration.


It also reminds me of Lana Del Rey and her song- Lust For Life.


In the AIDA Loop we move from Awareness to Interest to Desire and Then Action. Should we consider the revision of this loop to include Lust post Desire so that we may Act. The loop would then become AIDLA. My answer is yes.

Do you think love and lust are compatible? Or, that love is lost in lust?

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Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#61
Thank you Yolanda \u00c1vila - Kaizen Proyectos. In general, the impression on lust is negative. My use of the words lust for writing started the idea of this buz. Lust may have a positive side if the lust for writing is to write posts with meaning.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#59
thank you Franci\ud83d\udc1dEugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador. I shall re-address this issue soon

Franci 🐝Eugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador

#58
I am pondering as well and perhaps, I should add that it depends on the individuals. I think of lust as a spontaneous feeling without premeditation, and love as a deep and emotional feeling. With either lust or love the light can dim, and compatibility becomes a moot point.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#57
I like your new thought here Franci\ud83d\udc1dEugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador. "Lust and love are compatible, but only temporarily"- why would they become so and not continue as compatible is the question I am asking myself now. Still pondering on

Franci 🐝Eugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador

I think of lust as a craving and love as a feeling. IMHO, you have a passion for writing and you are passionate about writing, which fuels your lust and/or love for writing. I believe lust and love are compatible, but only temporarily.

(Nacho) Ignacio Orna

(Nacho) Ignacio Orna

3 years ago #47

The Lust of Love. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNEdxZURTaI

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#52
Dear CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit for you mentioned her gracefully in same buzz.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#51
Dear Isabella M Wesoly= I do miss our exchanges of comments and co-authoring of presentations. You are a magnificent thinker. I love your idea: AIDA Loop could become a LALIDAL i.e. LOVE to Awareness; LUST via Interest; Desire to Action, culminating in LUSTRE (result/s) Your comment resulted in Lustre.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#47
Sometimes I feel dear friend Edward Lewellen that our interpretation of words and mainly words with double meaning are related to our focus. I have my own story. Unfortunately it is in Arabic. There is a word written exactly the same way. The word is nashtum or by slightly changing its reading it reads nashtom. The first word means smell and the second one means curse. So, in one of my training classes I wrote the word and asked attendees to read it and give the meaning it had on them. Almost the group was divided in 50:50. Next, I added the word flowers. And still 20% read it curse the flowers and not smell the flowers. You are spot on.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

3 years ago #43

"Love for People" - a Paradox Wisdom by CityVP Manjit https://www.bebee.com/producer/@cityvp/love-for-people

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

3 years ago #42

#47
Dear Edward Lewellen poignantly said "make sure you understand the meaning the person whom you're speaking with gives the word(s)". Also thank you for your message on LinkedIn while my hands were in repair mode. What I did was my own mistake but I am glad that the human body is a gracious biology that fixes the missteps we physically take. My hands were not anywhere as serious as the year you were away. You too experienced gracious biology but in comparative terms my small self-inflicted injury is not at all comparable with a life and death ordeal. I thus am reminded about this sense of proportionality and meaning of meanings.

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

3 years ago #41

#34
Metaphor Lisa, Metaphor :-)

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #40

#44
I don't disagree i guess it's the nuance of how the words were described during your narrative. Covet, to own something someone else has, lust is to want something different than what you have (harvey:) English Dictionary, 3rd edition)

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #39

#40
oops...my bad :)

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #38

#36
At the risk of confusing the heck outta both of us Harvey Lloyd, I have 'covet is (oxford English: Yearn to possess (something, especially something belonging to another), which may be a baby-hair's breath away from 'Covet is to believe you own it and jealously protect it.' This form of lust is the one we don't want in our zeal, no?

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #37

#22
Gee....lots to catch up on! We are of the same mind !

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#35
and who are the actors Antoinette Capasso-Backdahl? Justva question- why suicide cases among the rich are the highest?

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#38
great explanation Harvey Lloyd .love and desire is a great combination. Without love we reap joy and fulfillment.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#34
I avoid going into discussions of minor differences dear @Lisa Vanderburg. Covet and lust. My mother tonhue is not English and I may be easily caught in my ignorance.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#34
I avoid going into discussions of minor differences dear Lisa Vanderburg. Covet andlust. Mymother tonvueis not English and I may be easily caught in my ignorance.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #32

#37
Yes i am comfortable with the quote and the premise of the quote. Where we invest so shall we reap. If we invest in those we love then desire will be present when it's hard to love, we shall reap the reward of this effort, peace and joy.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#33
I am reading this and many other references. Still pondering on what I read. This might interest you. As I am using mobile i find it difficult to copy and paste the reference. I shall do that tomorrow. Here is what captured my attention. "Whenever there is love and lust, the luster of life tends to follow. Those with a lot of love and desire in their lives usually find it easy to access that spine-tingling thrill that makes us feel like our lives have meaning". Are you comfortable with this quote Harvey Lloyd? By the way I found a great reference relating minerals to personality type and mainly the luster of those minerals. I shall report tomorrow.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #30

#34
I would say that there is a fine hair split between covet and lust. Covet is to believe you own it and jealously protect it. Lust is more the dreamy mental attitude of wouldn't it be better over there. Both distracting of course and if left unchecked can drive you insane. Be careful with introducing all the words as my mind might get confused here.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #29

#27
#28 #29 For what it's worth Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee have to say about this!

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #28

#31
The man that meets a women or the woman that meets the man may have desires, normal. It is lust when that encounter includes one of them being married or otherwise committed. Lust is an emotional response to something we think would be better than what we have. Lust like fear should drive us in our love. Not something we should pursue, but rather something to motivate change in our current paradigm.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#29
Again, this is a sober comment. I shall be back later tonight with my thoughts.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#28
I really need to digest your comment in a much greater depth than I have done Harvey Lloyd. For example, you wrote "lust can not exist where something in love is not already present". But then how many people lust a woman upon their eyes falling on her. They haven't met this woman before and yet they lust her. Sometimes lust develops into love. Your idea here needs careful study my friend. The other line that captured fully my attention is "Don't confuse lust with desire. Desire is the driving force behind purpose. Lust is the disconnect from desire into a mental vacuum". Can we transform lust for something into a burning desire to do it? My friend I am just thinking now and shall be back once my thoughts have crystallized on responding to your deep and challenging comments.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#27
OI agree with you. With lust there is more focus my dear Tausif Mundrawala. But with all honesty there are other dimensions to consider. Some people connect lust with desire only for sex. This could serve in bettering our understanding. For example, when lust for flesh is occupying somebody's mind then his mind is focused on satisfying this desire. Whether this desire is for writing or for sex the same concept applies.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #24

#12
Humanity like all other creatures and nature look for the easiest path to outcome. Its natural, and its abundant. Lust although given social context unfairly is a part of this process. "I" could achieve something on my own if everyone else would do as "I" say. Lust. Reality is more complicated. I can't achieve anything if those within my paradigm don't succeed also. Love. My thoughts and sometimes my words, might be lustful, but in action i must always act within love. Serve. Some great thoughts, please tag me on the post, life is a little crazy right now so i am kind of hit or miss.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

3 years ago #23

Maybe incorrectly, but i have always thought lust to include two different paradigms. Lust can not exist where something in love is not already present. Regardless of how applied, in context, lust is something that we want in lieu of something else. The mental/physical forbidden fruit. Using your writing discussion, lust would appear when the writing is not reflecting back to us what we expected. I may love writing but, in the end, i need affirmation that the writing is helping, serving and is discussion worthey. Not right and wrong, but rather engaging. Lacking the symbols we seek in affirmation then we could begin to "lust" for affirmation from different sources. When is see lust i also see the lack of purpose. The lusting person is making many assumptions about outcomes that have grown to a scream in their head. A guiding purpose is the rod of rational thinking during these times of lust. They (Purpose) help slow the nuclear reaction down to allow for some executive thinking. Don't confuse lust with desire. Desire is the driving force behind purpose. Lust is the disconnect from desire into a mental vacuum. Great thoughts and discussion.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #22

#20
Interesting question CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit? I was reading a restaurant menu yesterday when I was very hungry; I stuffed my face with zeal!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

I want to share this with you Zeal is usually applied towards an activity, whereas zest is a general attitude of enthusiasm. The Distinction Between Real Zeal, Zest. How do zeal and zest differ? - Updated - Quora https://www.quora.com/How-do-zeal-and-zest-differ

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

if you were to draw shapes for lust, zeal, zest dear Lisa Vanderburg- I wonder what shape you would give them. Love has the heart shape.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#21
Shape of emotions- wow! This is an interesting idea . Well-worth investigating.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#18
Get the ladies in. This is the cry of Lisa Vanderburg. I hope they do

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #17

#14
Hi Lisa \ud83d\udc1d Gallagher! You are one groovy dude :) What say you to the word 'lust'? Is it too delicate a word these days? ? Get the ladies in!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#15
Great Lisa and your lust for serving others is indeed a noble one. What do you think of comment #14?

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#14
Great to read your comments again @@Lisa Vanderburg #10 will ensure the heart shall not freeze.

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #14

#12
oh snap...did I not say it Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee? The person who wrote 'words can never hurt you' is dumber than a bag of hammers. What I meant was 'thus, lust FOR life'. Bravo CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit! And looking forward to your buzz!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#12
Great and I am awaiting for you buzz CityVP \ud83d\udc1d Manjit

CityVP Manjit

CityVP Manjit

3 years ago #12

The basis of writing may be helped by a muse but it is predicated on meaning. That meaning is centered on an honest awareness of whether that writing is a selfish act or an unselfish one. It isn't just the word "lust" which draws a social judgement, but the word selfish also. Since we are predicated on being a brand online we tend to distance ourselves from words that are loaded with value judgement. Entrepreneurial spirit has no problem with the word lust (as Lisa Vanderburg associated it with passion) but social conditioning and value judgements does. I need to take this to a separate buzz I will call "Love for People" which I should be able to put onto beBee within the next 48 hours.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

I say you have a new equation. The energy in your Z^2 (zest and Zeal) is convertible to action. I really love the idea that zest is the perfume and lust is the incentive and mostly internal one to act. The energy stored in your equation Lisa Vanderburg is amazing. Ergo is lust for. Do you mean ergo refers to easily-broken?

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #10

#9
Interesting...zest must be the scent of lust (in writing or creating), it is the incentive, the moment that everything else stops. Above all, it's fleeting! So zeal is then the chase, the hunt, the desire for that aroma of zest again. If you don't act then, it's lost. Ergo it's lust FOR :) What say you Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee?

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#8
The Z Square process- Zest and Zeal and their balance. Yes this is true dear Lisa Vanderburg. Overflow of zest will fire back. Where do you see lust in your equation? I just wonder

Lisa Vanderburg L

Lisa Vanderburg

3 years ago #8

Lust is passion; designed to peaks and troughs. It drives with a fearsome intensity to sate itself. Love is abiding; it becomes a choice (ultimately) if it's to stand firm throughout the years. Your writing, dear Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee, is both I think. Zest and zeal are needed to keep the passion in writing; thinking it through is a process; overthinking it will drive out the passion!

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

#5
Glad to hear that! Keep them coming :-)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#3
Thank you dear Debasish Majumder. I enjoyed your comment as much as I appreciate your sharing the buzz.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#2
I can't disagree with you Zacharias \ud83d\udc1d Voulgaris. As you wrote " If you are inspired or otherwise motivated, you write"- this was exactly behind the motive in me to write this buzz.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#1
I shall add to your comment a question Pascal Derrien can help me find an answer. The meaning of lust in our minds has different meaning. It is amazing how we disagree on simple words and their meanings.

Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

3 years ago #3

lovely buzz sir Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee! in one hand your writing reflects of love while the video contains the essence of lust. you have combined these twosome articulately! enjoyed read and shared. thank you for the buzz sir.

Zacharias 🐝 Voulgaris

If we are talking about writing, I think we are overthinking things! If you are inspired or otherwise motivated, you write. Period. If you are not, you are taking the necessary steps to find that motivation. For some, this is the sense of accomplishment from finishing their writing project, for others it is the appreciation of their readers. As long as you are honest about your drive and you take steps towards following your writing impetus, it doesn't matter what you call it. People who spend too much time thinking about these things probably need to get a muse or something...

Pascal Derrien

Pascal Derrien

3 years ago #1

Great questions but do they really matter in the grand scheme of life πŸ˜€? Questions are just answered by more questions sometimes and that's ok me thinks

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