Ideas Spring

Ideas Spring

Recently, my exchange of comments led me to nickname the fabulous bee Fay Vietmeier the “Spring Spirit”. Fay modified this later to the “well-spring spirit”, which I gladly approved. Spring has many meanings including the spring season, a rolled-up coil and as a verb to jump. I started generating ideas based on the word spring using idea mapping. I ended up with a spaghetti-like map that sent me into confusion and frustration on how to present these ideas in aa post.

I then refined the map and simplified it to the structure shown in the image below:

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So many ideas emerged from this simple map. These include: frustration creativity, ideas spring, ideas dance, ideas branches, ideas syndrome, ideas pile and ideas overload.

When we generate many ideas that form branches will these branches obscure the light of creativity?

Is it better for creativity to be in a confusion and frustration state so that new ideas may emerge?

Is generating too many ideas lead to the formation of “ideas Pile”, in emulation of sand piles that collapse upon the addition of one more sand grain?

Do we suffer from the “Ideas Syndrome” as we generate more ideas that interact to produce a missy mesh?

Do ideas dance like springs?

These questions overwhelmed me. I came to the conclusion that to be creative it is far better to be moved away from the comfort zone and be in a far-from-equilibrium state. This is in agreement with many recent studies. The challenge is how to turn frustration into creative ideas? Yes, ideas have their complexity and their interactions may put is on the edge of chaos leading to self-organizing those ideas into new structures and the initiation of new ventures. It is our attitude to confusion. If we welcome frustration and see it as a prelude to creativity than we channel the energy of frustration to fruition.

Creativity may lead to ideas branching and may require pruning as we do with tree branches. One way to do this pruning is to apply the blue ocean strategy as I suggested in a presentation, I wrote few years back.

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I am discussing here The Complexity of Ideas. Few isolated ideas are different from ideas in the way they interact. Too many interacting ideas may generate complex ideas system that send us into chaos, or into undiscovered possibilities. The “society of Ideas” is apparently similar to the Human social cycles. Ideas grow and deplete our energy resources and we become fragile and in need to release them to form new structures by self-organizing.

No wonder we fail to understand creativity. It is as unpredictable as the weather is. It is this confusion and lack of predicting what comes next that make us creative. It is the price tag on creativity.

I welcome frustration creativity. Do you? It is the onset of the “spring of ideas” to blossom.

Do you agree?


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Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#87
Thank you and you are Kevin Baker an example of people who make their own paths.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#85
Fay Vietmeier Fay- I appreciate your very special friendship. For me a genuine friendship is to tell the truth. The truth is that you have music in your heart. I couldn't understand fully what you mean by resources "Are you knowledgeable of resources? (can message me if you do)". If I can be of any help I shall do my good friend. Get your pen writing the intended post.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #76

#84
@AliAnani I have so many poems that I'd like to publish Are you knowledgeable of resources? (can message me if you do) I welcome any IDEAS for publishing as I have 2 books in mind (which could include some my poetry) I have been writing poetry for many years ... as does my Mother (now with the Lord) In future days I may share some of those Interesting both my Mom & I wrote a poem called "Words" (I did not become of aware of it until she was gone) (mine I know you read) ttps://www.bebee.com/producer/@fay-vietmeier-pennsylvania/what-do-your-words-say-about-you I will tuck away the thought to put both "Words" poems in a post to share

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#83
Fay Vietmeier Dear Fay- You are a great human and your words are loaded with genuine passion. I don't know what to say when Noah gets married. I have to be very creative to even remotely match your prayer. Why don't you publish this prayer? It is simply great.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #74

#82
@AliAnani I am honored ;~) my friend. Greetings to your lovely daughter ... Satanieh Weddings can create a lot of chaos (as you often use that word) May she have only peace in the short days ahead. And in the days of years that will follow These are the times of JOY that unite hearts I forget to title my short poem: "Wedding Prayer"

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#81
Fay Vietmeier Hi Fay- my daughter is currently out and I shall read to her your emotion-filled poet. You are a great poet. I loved what you wrote and simple incapable of describing how grateful I am to you. Million thanks my friend.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #72

@AliAnani Oh how I wish … that I could “fly” In my dreams … I don’t have to try I’d come bearing gifts Adorned "floating ships” Filled with well-wishes For your beautiful “princess” Her husband is blessed To have caught such a bride May God be their Guide And nothing divide Her heart he has won His heart she has won Their life has begun Two hearts … become “one” How blessed is your beautiful family Ali ... to have you as Patriarch

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#79
Yes, it was a meeting of relatives to get to know each other. The wedding is due next Friday. Now, I wish you could fly dear Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #70

@AliAnani~ I forgot to wish you a lovely evening with your guests ... is this an event around the wedding of "Satanieh"?

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Thank you dear for sharing the post. Greatly appreciated

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#76
Fay Vietmeier Fay- i think the word draft is not amply adequate to explain the many drafts you have at hands. WE need to find a new word. I like your "balanced" response. In fact your self-clarity amazes me. I smiled upon reading your line "...an unbalanced person may be overcome by greed and consume all the creamy goodness ...l". This is because in my next post (it is almost a completed draft now" I discuss strange behaviors from many angles. I am not sure if now I want to include this story. It is a real one.. Group of friends were on picnic together. They prepared hot food where they were camping. One guy found the smell so inviting that he decided to spot in the kettle in the presence of his friends. He did and so they refrained from eating it. The greedy guy ate it alone. Yes, the balance for some people is so distorted that they live in no balance. Their spirit is dead and they move only as bodies.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #67

Alisson celis aima@AliAnani~ Pondering is a most wonderful perspective ;~) I told you Ali that I am not a scientist In my "Slovenian" way of thinking ;~) Being balanced is found in the “middle of two opposites.” I like what you reasoned that "may tilt in favor... to the positive side” … may it be;~) “Balance” & Being balanced … can be found: …in the physical …in the spiritual ... in externals … and internals Each worthy of much thought In the physical: this tortured analogy comes to mind: I buy a gallon of ice cream ...an unbalanced person may be overcome by greed and consume all the creamy goodness ...leaving an empty container ...a balanced person will scoop out a small portion ... making it possible to share with others and-or have for future days This in my human-opinion is "balanced" ... a healthier , wiser choice This same thinking could be applied to any human "affection" or indulgence (to each his own ;~) we all have them ;~) mine is smoked almonds, wine,pasta,great cheeses ... many more As is usually the case with my "well-spring spirit" ... when you apply this spiritually it takes you into heart-attitudes and mindset and focus and where all that leads ... now that is another post ;~) (in my world famous "DRAFTS")

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#72
Fay Vietmeier Thank you Fay for your explanation. Please tag me when you publish because I am having guests tonight (soon) and I don't want to miss your buzz regardless if it is centered or not.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#71
Agree. I am discussing ths issue not from a big data approach, but in line with new neuroscience findings.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #64

#72
Your last paragraph entered our study last evening as we unpacked Acts 6 & 7. Specifically the message that Stephen was delivering. Amazing. Great thoughts.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #63

#66
@AliAnani I put it up last evening (late) Was trying to center the text with the pictures BUT when it "Publishes" It reverts back to moving all the words left ... I'm too much of a visual perfectionist Try to spell correctly ... etc I am going to put it up shortly ... even if the words don't center ;~) I have a project for Aletheia (my humble business) that has been keeping busy ... but my thought-filled mind continues as a "well-spring" of IDEAS ... ... at this time I have a similar reordering of priorities, like Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic Given my druthers ... I'd read & write from dawn to dusk .. your Spirit-filled friend, Fay Yes I do believe that we have a spirit-to-spirit connection ... God is "Master-Weaver" ... His the Master Plan I believe God is all about relationship ... in love...He sent His One & Only Son to redeem & restore mankind ... so that we can enter into relationship with Him (no sacrifices required) This "springs" to my mind to tie in the thought: as written in: Matthew 27/John 19 Luke 23 From the cross ... "Jesus said "It is finished" ... he called out with a loud voice, "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit" ... when he had said this, he breathed his last. "At that moment, the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom" (symbolizing that the barrier was removed...now all people are free to approach God because of Christ's sacrifice for our sins)

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #62

#70
We hear a lot of noise about data sets, but data (information), is no better then the question we ask of it. Seeking the right question through service to others guarantees a great answer, regardless of the data set we look.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#69
I am sure Fay Vietmeier will enjoy your comment and the filtering process that you employ, Harvey. I paused reading "I screen all information with a single filter for qualification". I just want to say this is one aspect that I am discussing in my next post. Great comment my friend.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #60

#48
Enjoyed your wisdom. I can only speak for myself but all information comes with a meta tag. What does the tag say? I screen all information with a single filter for qualification. Does it serve me, the giver or everyone. My spiritual thoughts adds that it must serve God also. Any answer that is not inclusive of everyone then i typically discard it. This was my thought when describing the overlay of creativity. Applying the golden rule when it hurts me is the challenge. By using information to serve me begins the slippery slope of self righteousness. A hill that happens fast but recovery is very slow. When i hear someone cry out with information that is self serving i tune out. Everyone on the planet has a cry of self indulgence. One cry is no greater than another. It's only through serving may these cries find peace and joy. Godspeed. Thanks you for your wisdom and thoughts.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#67
Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic- I wish you success in your endeavors dear Lada and that you have fun meanwhile as well.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

1 year ago #58

#65
thank you, dear Ali, I'm doing great, but I reduced my social networking activities to a minimum due to other priorities. I hope I have more time to comment on your posts soon.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

Fay Vietmeier, Fay- I received a notification that you published a post "I dream of Flying". Upon clicking, I proceeded to the Producer page. Have you deleted the post?

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

I thank you dear Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic for your sharing the post. I hope you are doing great y friend.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#61
Fay Vietmeier Hi Fay- being balanced doesn't mean being in the middle of two opposites. For example, the balance in chemical reactions may tilt in favor of the reactants or the products. Your equations suggest the balance lies close to the positive side. This is an issue that I shall ponder on. I am sure my friend Mohammed Sultan shall enjoy reading your comment. Could this exchange of comments revitalize his interest in this platform? I wish so.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#60
Fay Vietmeier Fay- your comment tolls many sound in my head. I thank you for explaining the meaning if your son Noah and I hope he shall stay with the promise of his name. Thank you for explaining the meaning of Sarah (in fact, this is her name is spelled in her passport. Your word carry your spirit and I now I add carry your character as well. This is in conformity with what you wrote later " especially in people (here lies character & destiny". You remind me of my post on Character Quotient and you add value to it. I am glad you liked this quote and thanks for using it. One last point is your writing "spirit IS power". Well,maybe it is worthy to mention that negative pressure in trees what makes them carry water way up reaching thirty meters and more. So, inspire me with a new definition for creativity"it is turning the negative to positive uses". Creative people have power that they may not realize they have.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#59
Fay Vietmeier Fay- I hope that it shall be a short-waiting period for your "promised"post. Perception of priority varies among people. For some, few days and for others it could extend for longer times.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #52

Mohammed Sultan @MohammedSultan Thank you for so thoughtfully responding ... your words reveal your wisdom ... which is of God Wisdom is more precious than gold or diamonds “reaching the right balance" helps us find our purpose & maintain Peace (the following is from one of my world famous “DRAFTS” @AliAnani (so many IDEAS … so little time ;~) I have posedthis as a simple formula for “abundant living” and finding balance: more of GOD ~ less of me more LOVE ~ less hate more FORGIVENESS ~ less grudges more TRUTH ~ less lies more CIVILITY ~ less vitriol more UNITY ~ less division more REALITY ~ less delusion more Character ~ less skull-duggery more virtue ~ less deception more WISDOM ~ less stupidity more edification ~ less criticism I have much more to add to the IDEA of “Being balanced” Wisdom is vital ... as is cooperation with God’s Holy Spirit Ongoing I say: “The Holy Spirit can only do for you … what you allow Him to do in you” Our heart, mind … soul & spirit … aligned with God.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #51

@AliAnani Ali~ thank you for explaining your daughters names … and Sara (Sarah) “Mother of many nations” … Here is why I chose “Noah” … quoting from Genesis 6 … which I was studying during my pregnancy: “The Lord saw how great man’s wickedness was on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. The Lord was grieved that He had made man on the earth, and His heart was filled with pain. … “but Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord” It is my ongoing prayer that my son will find “favor in the eyes of the Lord” In my human opinion just as “shallowness is spreading” … so is wickedness (this bee thinks upon such things ;~) 2) “Your words carry your spirit” … I LOVE that Ali and will use it as dedicated to you 3) Knowledge IS power … the question is how is it used? … and as you so insightfully state: “depending on the spirit this knowledge is guided by” So what is the Source (I am writing on this very topic) Again: Phillip Britts profoundly states in his book: Water at the Root … “in the essential conflict (good Vs evil) … the final result of knowledge is determined by the spirit it serves So which spirit is being served? (so vital in determining outcomes … especially in people (here lies character & destiny … professionally applied: organizations & businesses are comprised of people and everything that is in the “jar of clay” comes to work every day and goes home every day I will add: TRUTH is power

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #50

1) Perception IS reality (wrongly perceived or rightly perceived) I love what you state here” “An idea can change your life … but the source of those ideas and its validity and authenticity” (we must consider-my add) As I mentioned to Ali … the “source” is one of my “DRAFT” ideas … begun a several months ago and now … placed as a priority (so to be continued and you’re your sagacious confirmation does not fall on “hard bread” (or rocks) ;~)

🐝 Fatima G. Williams
Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

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Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#53
Dear Oswaldo Enrique Diaz Delgado addressed to you. He acknowledged your contribution to the discussion. Part of his comment translates as "Thanks to the verification value the key: This is born in its value to verify the origin of the source (s). A practice that I personally apply because in and from the University of life I have had to face the virtual personality traits that are frequent within the sources".

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#52
Fay Vietmeier. In his comment he acknowledged your contribution. He ended his comment by saying "Sacred Encounters "Thoughts & Feelings" translate into valuable connections from the soul to complete its human value from the "Spirit of Teachings." From this point we recognize the blessings we give and receive to unleash the sacred seeds of God in every corner of the world".

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#49
Dear Mohammed Sultan- first, I am thrilled to see you back and commenting to enrich our minds. I hope this shall not be a transient visit. Your comment stirred many discussions and this reflects its value and the need for you here. Fay Vietmeier shall be glad to interact with you and she shall find your depth from the high quality of your response to her comment. Again, I look forward to reading many more comments by you my good friend.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#48
Dear Harvey Lloyd and its value. I agree because creative ideas must serve a grand purpose. For example, dynamite was discovered to explode rocks, but then it was used for evil purposes. Creative ideas emerge and we can't plan for emerging thoughts. It is us who decide for what purpose to use them. I recall the electronic cameras that has many grand uses, but also many evil purposes. Again, we blame the ideas; rather we should blame us. The list of examples is exhaustive. If our perceptions is geared towards evil uses then we only have ourselves to blame. I wish you success in your course and it seems quite interesting.

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

🐝 Fatima G. Williams

1 year ago #43

Some deep discussions here Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee and I enjoyed reading each one of them. But what stood out for me is Harvey's comment - "Creativity is typically motivated because of a perceived or real need within your community. This can be philanthropic or profit-driven or both." Our brain is constantly responding to incoming information. Our perception is a creation, our brain, our mind, the neurons inside our head creating the world for us through creative ideas. The real challenge here how we perceive any information - an idea, an experience, a discussion and so on. Our creativity and Ideas can be philanthropic or profit-driven or both but it all comes down to how we can receive and process them. I believe we must be able to process and break down the information, break it down so our ideas based on our perceptions are not tampered with based on what we just see or believe but based on the real reason behind the idea, it's why and the results we wish to achieve. It can be our downfall or it can actually take us where we want to go! I am currently studying a course on Perception versus reality and find it very interesting. It gives me an overview & understanding of why we have some many thoughts and ideas and where we go right or wrong with them. I remember an advert that says "An idea can change your life" but the source of those ideas and its validity and authenticity is what I plan to act on going forward.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#44
Oswaldo Enrique Diaz Delgado Nice quote by you "“Stay by my side that I will be your coat when you are cold, of the same value to give you warmth when you are cold”

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#43
"... the final result of knowledge is determined by the spirit it serves”. I love this quote Fay Vietmeier. Knowledge is power and the effects it produces are hurricane, volcanoes and other destructive effects or, this force is used to generate power of knowledge in others,depending on the spirit this knowledge is guided by. I am amazed by your putting previous buzzes in such relevant and related summaries and you Fay is using your knowledge to empower others.Your words carry your spirit. This could be a slogan!!!

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#42
Fay Vietmeier Fay- I woke up prematurely for I slept late and again the real wake up call is your comment. Yes, my daughters are adorable in every aspect because they have never given me any serious issue to worry me. Satanieh is a Caucasian name (my wife is half Caucasian and half Arab). To my best knowledge her name means the small princess who is famous for her beauty of form and manners. Aya is a name meaning miracle for others to learn from. Sara I am sure your are familiar with this name. Back to our discussions- The wind is our thoughts. True words are a force and words have their effect as well. What do you and I share? It is thoughtful words that have their effects. We see the effects in how you and I address each other, think of each other and so, are our "meeting" souls.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #39

@AliAnani (part 2) Again: These words, when spiritually applied, are profound (which prompted me to write) The Fractal State of Humanity & the Hidden Forces for you and against you: https://www.bebee.com/producer/@fay-vietmeier-pennsylvania/the-fractal-state-of-humanity-the-hidden-forces-at-work-for-you-against-you And The question is: which spiritual force is being served? Phillip Britts profoundly states in his book: Water at the Root … “in the essential conflict (good Vs evil) … the final result of knowledge is determined by the spirit it serves” https://www.bebee.com/producer/@fay-vietmeier-pennsylvania/water-at-the-root Two questions Are we aware of which spiritual force we are serving? Are we in control of our thoughts & do we know they are leading? (my prior buzz) "Where is your Thought Compass Leading You?” https://www.bebee.com/producer/@fay-vietmeier-pennsylvania/where-is-your-thought-compass-leading-you

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #38

@AliAnani God really loves you ALi: He has surrounded you with lovely, loving women ;~) Thank you for sharing that personal glimpse of your home life … the names of your daughters are beautiful. I appreciate your greetings to Noah and shall pass them on ;~) Please extend my greetings to Satanieh, Aya & Sara … do their names have special meaning? Back to “Ideas spring” I am convinced Ali that with you there are no “strange” thoughts … just creative thoughts … as your mind is indeed as a fountainhead that flows … ongoing ;~) THOUGHTS are as complex as the “jars of clay” that contain them ;~) THOUGHTS are like the wind: (mentioned previously-in another buzz) Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.” (John 3) “We don’t see the wind, but we see the wind’s effects on moving the trees and blowing flowers and seeds. We see the force by its actions. Likewise; I believe there is an overlooked force- this is what I call the hidden fractal force.” ~Ali Anani If the “wind” is our “thoughts” … what “effects” are felt or produced? (part 1)

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #37

#23
Harvey Lloyd @HarveyLloyd Your words reveal your wisdom ;~) I believe “servant leadership” optimizes outcomes in people & organizations Jesus is the Greatest example of “Servant Leadership” … in His own words: “I came not to be served … but to serve” If you care to read my thoughts on "coaching cats" & being "wise herdsmen" ... my post: https://www.bebee.com/producer/@fay-vietmeier-pennsylvania/herding-cats-wise-herdsmen-coaching-collaborating-and-compromising-for-consensus-202453 As I write, the thought that occurs to me is that more focus in education should be applied to teach people to THINK Classroom should create a THINKING environment … where logic & reasoning are fostered From my perspective … the focus in “education” is wrong … “outcomes” bear that out (well I’m speaking about the USA) On more than one occasion, I have stated that one-room school houses produced much more actual learning

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#38
Thank you dear Tausif Mundrawala for not only sharing the post, but also for sharing your personal experience with frustration. Yes, frustration provides a tipping point for you to be creative and organize your thoughts constructively. You are on the right track.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#35
Thank you dear Oswaldo Enrique Diaz Delgado. You wrote "Our actions live between actions. It is beautiful to know what they are able to put together, examples "WILLS THAT TRANSLATE IN OPPORTUNITIES". Great thought

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#32
Fay Vietmeier Fay, Your quote of Mohammed Sultan rich comment "The perversity of nature is clearly demonstrated by the fact that, when exposed to the same atmosphere bread becomes hard. Exactly the same the "piles of ideas" become hard and empty if we are not creative enough to turn them into concepts and branded solutions” is what inspired the idea of my next post. See you then with varied thoughts.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#31
Fay Vietmeier Hi Fay, I have three daughters. Satanieh who is getting married on November 22 this month. That is a week on Friday. Aya, who got married on last September. Yes, almost two months ago. The youngest is Sara- who graduated recently from university. I love your coffee shop idea and the name you have chosen for i. Why don't you simply start it as a cafe for relaxation, fun and creativity. Interestingly, I am preparing the mind map for my next post that is based on the comment by Mohammed Sultan. Suddenly, the idea of strange thoughts struck me. On the mind map I wrote "strange thoughts are springlike. If you suppress them they bounce back. You got it. My use of the word springlike reminded me of you the spring spirit person. You see this only had happened few minutes before reading your comment. Is it telepathy? Maybe our souls are close even geographically we are distant from each other. All the compliments you paid me bounce back to you because you are what you described me my good friend. Greetings to Noah

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #32

@AliAnani @MohammedSultan (part 2) Ali ~ thank you for inviting Mohammed @ sharing his wisdom: Your statements Mohammed, when applied spiritually are very rich: a) I love the pointing out that humans are “time-bound” beings (finite) “Each of us posses a nearly limitless untapped creative ideas. The challenge of our creativity is to uncover them (take them out of the pile as you said", develop them and apply them to the fullest extent.” I’ve heard it said that our Infinite, Creator “God does not create junk” … every human being possesses many gifts & talents which include creativity … it is written: “our competencies come from God” but often the gifts & talents lie dormant. (I know such people I’m sure we all do) … There are many complexities in human development: the level of self awareness, focus, and desire, right-thinking or wrong-thinking (which will guide actions) … and at times difficult environments & situations rob the ability for gifts & talents to come to fruition b) “The perversity of nature is clearly demonstrated by the fact that, when exposed to the same atmosphere bread becomes hard. Exactly the same the "piles of ideas" become hard and empty if we are not creative enough to turn them into concepts and branded solutions” Perversity of nature is also human nature … the life of a person will reflect good or bad/wrong-doing … even to the extent of evil Some “atmospheres” turn hearts “hard” (like that bread) That is why God admonishes: “Above everything, guard your heart for it is the well-spring of life”

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #31

@AliAnani Ali~ 1) I have to come to realize in a short time the rich insights that your posts offer and the enjoyable conversations that are stimulated within It is because you are a gracious host & an artful facilitator. Stepping into any of your posts and reading ... sharing thoughts is like stopping into a local coffee shop … I wish we were geographically closer … would it not be great pleasure to open such a place I might pose the “Well-Spring Spirit” & Shop … it is always warm & welcoming … where friendship is extended … a refuge & think-tank to enjoy bantering with the “best of bees” … and leave having given something and received something I’m glad Harvey mentioned your daughter is getting married … if the café existed I could stop by & bring her a gift ;~) I have wanted to ask how many children you have (I have 1 sagacious son, Noah who is 21 ;~)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#29
Very true and what you said towards the end is super. Gossip doesn't like to stay in a small circle or limited to one place. It expands and then eats up the gossiper. Its fire spares nobody at the end.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #29

#28
Gossiping is a form of self actualization and self preservation. These two components seek to make sure i am ok through getting another person to validate our thoughts about another. Innocuous on the surface, but a steady diet of validation and self actualization of this manner will lead to self righteousness as we believe we carry the authority of all those that agreed with past gossip. Not a sound footing of truth to stand on. Let alone the fact that gossip always ends with folks working against you as you make the circuit several times. You now become the one that is being gossiped about.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#27
You are right as in the same reference it is mentioned that people look for the immediate benefits rather than the lasting or long-term effects. So, when you say "Where gossip is not a lifetime bonding but rather short term bonds that are subject to disruption." I must say II am in full agreement with you. Isn't it a strange behavior that we are always searching for the immediate results or costs and overlooking the larger and wider long-term effects? This strange behavior may explain what you said later "If we create a serving Shadow, when we feel the need to gossip then our ego will know that another's Shadow is in chaos or soon will be. We will want to help them sort out the distress they are experiencing. Not share the distress with others and its impact on me".

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #27

#26
Although agree with the concept as presented by academia i must say it is a stretch. The primate picking mites for one another is a bonding ritual that helps the other within a survival envelope. Where gossip is not a lifetime bonding but rather short term bonds that are subject to disruption. If we are gossiping about another what are we both assured of we do with other people? Gossip. Gossip although warming in the moment as we express our dislikes, it is also the slippery slope to bitterness. Comradery around gossip only serves to build silos of feelings that have no basis in truth. One of my favorite gossip turn off switches is when someone presents the gossip, i agree and invite them to join me in discussing the matter with the person of such interest. Surly it would be beneficial for them to know:) If we create a serving Shadow, when we feel the need to gossip then our ego will know that another's Shadow is in chaos or soon will be. We will want to help them sort out the distress they are experiencing. Not share the distress with others and its impact on me. Servant leaders know when the urge to gossip arises then we have a team member who is not serving but defending something. The need to understand what is being defended is greater than the need to tell others. What is being defended is the mite that needs to be removed. If we would continue with the primate rituals as our metaphor.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#25
Absolutely incredible and what kind of reading minds this is>!!! I am totally taken by your comment. Let me explain why. Since reading the comment of Mohammed Sultan I have been searching for strange behaviors of materials and chemicals and correlating them to the strange behavior of humans. One document that I am still reading about the strange behaviors of people is this great reading: https://www.livescience.com/33197-10-weird-behaviors-humans-do-every-day-why.html In one explanation of why people gossip excessively is this and I quote "Robin Dunbar, a primatologist at Oxford University in the United Kingdom, likens gossip to the constant grooming of other primates. Baboons pick bugs out of each other's back hair; we humans talk about others behind their backs. It's the verbal glue that keeps our social bonds strong, according to Dunbar. Other researchers, such as Jennifer Bosson, a professor of psychology at the University of South Florida, agree that sharing our dislikes of others helps develop a bond between the gossiper and the listener. "When two people share a dislike of another person, it brings them closer," Bosson told Live Sciencein 2006. Isn't this related to the shadows and egos of people? I am awaiting your feedback, Harvey

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #25

#24
We have not introduced the jungian point of view for a while in your wise discussions...... The stability of my “Shadow” if contingent on what i get from others leaves my ego devoid of the courage required to execute around servant leadership. If my “Shadow” acquires its meaning from elsewhere (outside the group) i lead, then servant leadership is easy for my ego. The reason courage is so easy is my own shadow is intact for different reason and i want to not only share in servant leadership, but also want to share the shadow concepts that allow me to be so. It is amazing the pressure released from my existential existence when it doesn't define me. I do not need for people, places and things to be in a certain order for me to lead effectively. I can now serve instead of build things in my own image.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#23
Great thoughts Harvey Lloyd for you explain the value of serving goals that all team members share and own. A grand goal floats above self-centered goals. People don't like to be fooled and self-directed goals serve only in increasing doubts about leaders who behave in this manner. I would love your thoughts of the comment below by Mohammed Sultan

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #23

#15
I purposefully left out the adjectives of good or bad. This is the choice we make in our goals from our values. When we add to the team or social group thoughts of direction, we are adding the needed direction to creativity. The funnel if you will. But before we add this direction there is motivation of why we are adding it. From an existential view of the direction offered, this is where we contemplate the right adjectives to determine good or bad. If we are servant leaders our offer of direction is inclusive. If we are self centered the offer of direction to funnel creativity is towards our own ends. This is eventually discovered by the rest of the team. Stifling creativity. I believe you and i know the courage needed to be a servant leader and where it comes from.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

I responded to Mohammed Sultan previous comment as follows: Thank you so much dear Mohammed Sultan for accepting my invitation to comment. With your permission, I am copying and pasting your comment on beBee because it is such a versatile and lovely comment.I am going to dedicate my next post to expand on your thoughts here. You have a broad vision my friend. You highlight many of the opposing needs that create tension and or frustration such as the need to be creative and the feel secure as creativity takes us into the unknown. I also like your bread example and its hardening. This is a key point for me that I am going to discuss in my next post. I truly appreciate the richness of your thoughts. You remind me of another issue n that as we create a new idea we also create new needs. This is change in reality. So much to ponder on.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

On this shared post on beBee Mohammed Sultan wrote a great comment. Because of its depth I am copying and pasting it here. Thank you dear Ali Anani, PhD for inviting me to the discussion and be part of your "Ideas Spring". Ideas usually come as strands of thoughts related to specific problem or situation like the octopus arms as a shadow of our feeling.When we have some ideas ,as "time- binding" beings, we often adapt the clockwise scenario but when get frustrated as a result of foggy situations we certainly will change the direction. Each of us posses a nearly limitless untapped creative ideas.The challenge of our creativity is to uncover them (take them out of the pile as you said", develop them and apply them to the fullest extent. Creative people who can break the patterns of their brain and find a balance between the depth of their skills and the width of their interests to face the challenges are likely to be more productive and creative. The perversity of nature is clearly demonstrated by the fact that,when exposed to the same atmosphere bread becomes hard. Exactly the same the "piles of ideas" become hard and empty if we are not creative enough to turn them into concepts and branded solutions. Creativity ,on the other hand, requires a measure of security because it involves an element of risk-taking.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#15
You say you aren't a scientist Fay Vietmeier, but you think like one. I loved the idea of channeling the well-spring source of water.You remind me of waterfalls that we channel into hydro power and wind energy also into different forms of power such as wind energy.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#14
I am sure Proma \ud83d\udc1d Nautiyal

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#13
Fay Vietmeier Fay- simply, I love the spiritual addition of linking tree pruning to what Jesus said. This is superb. Cut off tree branches that bear no fruit and cut all ideas branches that seem fruitless. Great analogy and I thank you for your enlightenment my friend.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#12
To wake up and start the day reading your comments dear Fay Vietmeier is a blessing. I am grateful to you and your warm heart that warms up other hearts. Not only thermal heat transfers by conviction, but also the warm of "hot" words that appreciate other people. honesty calls for acknowledging the idea-initiator and I did nothing more than acknowledging your well-spring tweak. I loved the idea of river branches more than tree branches because it is a natural extension of the flowing spring water. This is so sweet and I truly love it. The discussions have just started and in no way you are late to the "table". You added new dishes of thought and I appreciate your presence.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#12
To wake up and start the day reading your comments dear Fay Vietmeier is a blessing. I am grateful to you and your warm heart that warms up other hearts. Not only thermal heat transfers by conviction, but also the warm of "hot" words that appreciate other people. honesty calls for acknowledging the idea-initiator and I did nothing more than acknowledging your well-spring tweak. I loved the idea of river branches more than tree branches because it is a natural extension of the flowing spring water. This is so sweet and I truly love it. The discussions have just started and in no way you are late to the "table". You added new dishes of thought and I appreciate your presence.

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #15

Harvey Lloyd Your statement: “Cadmium is the balance in controlling nuclear reaction. Nuclear reaction being the spontaneous acceleration of creativity. Cadmium being the element that channels the reaction into useful energy” In line with my comments to Ali about the IDEAS map being like a river and the IDEAS have a “well-spring” as its Source... Now I am no scientist but your reference about Cadmium brought to my mind me that sometimes you have to dam a river to channel & then harness the energy (which can be turned into power) So from a “dam” the ideas can be channeled & harnessed and at fruition ... produce some good outcome

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #14

Proma 🐝 Nautiyal This often "over-whelmed" bee felt "blessed" by your rich insight: "that a mind that can produce so many ideas that it is overwhelmed, is indeed a blessed one" ... that same "bullet train" runs thru my brain ... I love what you said about the "sifting" and appreciate your "note taking" & methodology for order ... challenges arise when your ideas keep having babies ;~) and you can't find your notes ;~)

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #13

@AliAnani (part 2) This is very true: “Creativity may lead to ideas branching and may require pruning as we do with tree branches” (A tree is exactly what came to my mind as I was reading) Here is the need for …“putting in order” … where there is complexity And “pruning” is actually very VITAL in the growth process. (which takes me to the spiritual side of creativity) The Vine and the Branches: John 15 Jesus said: “I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. 2 He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes[a] so that it will be even more fruitful…No branch can bear fruit by itself; it must remain in the vine. Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me. 5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit” ~ John 15 And “Light” is essential to life … assuredly “light” in our brain is a component of creative thinking I seek the Source of Light to illumine my mind … and ask Him to help me put order to my state of being (at times) over-whelmed

Fay Vietmeier

Fay Vietmeier

1 year ago #12

@AliAnani Ali~ I’m sorry to be delayed in responding to“Ideas Spring” (I was traveling and just arrived home) I am honored that you connect our exchanges to “Ideas Spring” and … please forgive that I’m delayed in jumping into the conversation of “Ideas Spring” That you would call me a “spring spirit” and then also bless my tweak to “well-spring spirit” … forever endears you … to this bees heart ;~) “Do ideas dance like springs?” Absolutely !!! I also like how you mapped the “Ideas Spring” IDEAS are like a “well-spring” … an original and bountiful source of something I believe everyone has “ideas” … some more than others … and that creativity can be cultivated and must be nourished to grow Your map reminded me of a river … which has a “source” … and then “branches” that flow out of it and some branches flow into it (like streams & creeks) … like “ideas” … sometimes rivers “pile up” or “overload” … this would be a flood (here is the over-whelmed state of creativity) … sometimes they dry up (like the streams & creeks do in a time of drought) Here is why the Source matters and the cultivating & nourishing (part 1)

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#10
thank you dearDebasish Majumder for liking, sharing and commenting on the post. As for your writing " I wonder, how the reflection being produced by light being captured by our brain and how we translate it, which may acknowledged as creativity! The fact that we represent creativity with a light bulb testifies for the correctness of your observation. Yes, creativity is complex and nobody understands it comprehensively.

Debasish Majumder

Debasish Majumder

1 year ago #10

nature very honestly produce reflection in our brain and out of our sensory organs we may receive the impulses of the external world. I wonder, how the reflection being produced by light being captured by our brain and how we translate it, which may acknowledged as creativity! how our brain may possess gravitation and it really helps us to gravitate! light, being an energy, how it being trapped by our brain and what exactly is creativity and to what extent it helps our community or neighborhood is still a confusing affair to me. however, interesting buzz indeed sir Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee! enjoyed read and shared. thank you for the buzz sir.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#8
To the contrary- your comments make my days brighter.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #8

#7
Stow this as a contemplation for later. Your Daughters wedding draws nigh. I am sure you are full of this celebration. Don't allow my thoughts to hinder those in anyway. Savor the moments of planning, discussing and watching your child become the princess you already knew she has become. Godspeed my friend.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#6
That is a great metaphor my friend, Harvey. I do like it. It surely will percolate in my mind as I can see the possibility of a "nuclear creativity reactor" bursting in my head. I recall a comment by Sara Jacobovici, who is unfortunately absent from this platform, in which she highlighted that she is a process=woman because she believes everything proceeds through a process. Now, you write "Creativity is difficult to extract from the process. It is always joined to something expressed within social groups". Will have to think this over.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #6

#5
Cadmium is the balance in controlling nuclear reaction. Nuclear reaction being the spontaneous acceleration of creativity. Cadmium being the element that channels the reaction into useful energy towards a goal of power or the needs you have identified within the community. Creativity is difficult to extract from the process. It is always joined to something expressed within social groups. Sorry i forgot i was talking to a person of wisdom in this area. My lay perspective of your field left my metaphor hanging in thin air.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#4
As a chemist by education your comment baffles me Harvey Lloyd. It amazed me your writing that we need some cadmium within the administration of the process of creativity. With my eyebrows still rising, I am requesting clarification from you. Cadmium is a transition chemical element and we need transition from complexity to self-organizing into new patterns, structures and behaviors. At the same time cadmium is toxic and this surprising. So, what did you have in mind before saying so my friend. I shall then respond again to your comment.

Harvey Lloyd

Harvey Lloyd

1 year ago #4

You need some cadmium within the process of creativity. Creativity is typically motivated because of a perceived or real need within your community. This can be philanthropic or profit driven or both. Within us we have a very unique drive to improve ourselves, neighbors and community. This is the cadmium that channels creativity. An artist wants to express through abstract means their view of something. A scientist wants to expose the people to new understanding and uses of the natural world around us and any one who gets up and thinks hard about some new idea is tempering their thoughts with community needs. The trick within a team is to allow your graphic to run, when time permits. Certainly tamed by the need that is proposed as being helpful. The cadmium of our perceived outcome should channel and not stifle creativity. One of our big perceived needs is found in generational poverty. A group of people locked within a handed down process that cant find their way out. The generational poverty itself has become sacred and offers to join the creative community have them feeling, they are abandoning a way of life, their family. Every solution to date doesn't scale. We have used your graphic many times and even allowed it to run wild to see if we have missed something.

Ali 🐝 Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee

#2
I love the way you explained your experience with generating creative ideas Proma \ud83d\udc1d Nautiyal. In particular, this line will reside in my memory "But I always make sure, it is not just the topic that I am jotting down but also the idea that backed up the idea". This is a great thought because we keep track of the "condition" that led us to think of an idea. This is what I do in my mind maps. I try to explain how I thought of an idea. This is a refreshing thought my friend. I truly enjoyed reading your comment.

Proma 🐝 Nautiyal

Proma 🐝 Nautiyal

1 year ago #2

"No wonder we fail to understand creativity. It is as unpredictable as the weather is. It is this confusion and lack of predicting what comes next that make us creative. It is the price tag on creativity." - I absolutely love this line. As a person dabbling in the creatives day in and day out, I can relate to this post and this line. The train of thoughts and ideas that sometimes runs through my brain is nothing short of a bullet train. I get overwhelmed and breathless trying to keep up with these ideas and trying to sift the really good ones to work on further. I keep notes, handwritten ones, to help me here. When I don't have a notebook, I just type into my phone and keep a record of it which I revisit later in a planned manner. But I always make sure, it is not just the topic that I am jotting down but also the idea that backed up the idea. This helps me in retaining the true essence of the same, later in the day. I think a mind that can produce so many ideas that it is overwhelmed, is indeed a blessed one. Thanks for the buzz, Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee I truly enjoyed reading it.

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